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Democrat says CIA Should Apologize to Terrorists

By Onan Coca / 12 December 2014 / 15 Comments

I am surprised that I still get surprised at the stupid things Democrats say.

A California Democrat, Congresswoman Jackie Speier, told MSNBC that the CIA should apologize for the things they did to terrorists in the wake of 9/11. This is exactly the kind of “holier-than-thou” chest-thumping that makes folks like me get sick at the sight of these Democrat flacks. They act as if they weren’t the ones overseeing the intelligence community, as if they aren’t the people issuing directives to these agencies (Speier personally is not – she became a Congresswoman after 9/11). If there is fault at the CIA, there is also fault in the Congress who oversaw and directed the CIA.

But to tell the CIA to apologize? Absolutely Disgusting.



Representative Jackie Speier (D – CA) said that the CIA should “absolutely” issue an apology after Tuesday’s release of the Senate Intelligence Committee report on CIA interrogation techniques.

The Congresswoman also said that she was “shocked” at what was in the report saying, “that is not what this country is about. We have got to shut this down.”

“Every single page had something in the executive summary that shocked me. There’s an arrogance that exists within the CIA that has to be reigned in. I would certainly hope that they would recognize that with some soul searching, that they have got to come clean on this. “

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Like that will happen!! How about this, when they apologize for cutting off people heads it should be thought of momentarily. I am thinking that these people are getting too much stupid juice to drink. Stupid is as stupid does.




Hmmm i'm kinda thinking. don't you reap what you sow???

"According to Obama, sleep deprivation is considered torture, but blowing up men suspected of crimes and the women and children around them with drones rather than capturing them is okay." - Andrea Tantaros #TorturedLogic

December 12, 2014

The 'Torture Report': a Soldier's Response

By Francis X. Ryan

I am a retired Marine reserve Colonel. I have been in harm’s way.

The Senate intelligence committee released a report that is likely to be incendiary at best. On the cover page the words “TOP SECRET – NOFORN” were stricken.

The words “TOP SECRET – NOFORN” means top secret – no foreign dissemination. It is a classification that is used to indicate that such disclosures would be harmful to the interests of the United States, our uniformed servicemen and women and our citizens. That, in and of itself, should be sufficient to convince the U. S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence to tread lightly and to not release the report.

The issue is not the need for the report but whether or not the report should, in fact, be released to the public. For those of us who have served, Congressional oversight is critical but publicly releasing such information is dangerous and irresponsible.

When I left active duty, I was “read-out” of the programs for which I had access. That means that I would be prohibited from disclosing such information for many years after release from duty. The reason for that “read-out” is to prevent processes and methods we use from being released to our enemy. Such processes and methods, however, were not kept from the Congressional oversight committees nor should they have been.

The release of such information puts lives in danger and, candidly, Congress does not have the right to do that to my fellow servicemen and women. Congresses responsibility is oversight not endangering.

For these senators to release such a report in the middle of a conflict is appalling. If one of my Marines had done that they would be facing court-martial and well they should.

Our nation is still at war! During a war, it is imperative that the conflict be prosecuted to the fullest extent until victory is assured.
In 2003, I wrote:

“The war we face today is a different kind of war than any we have known before but it is one we must all be prepared to fight. Our weapons must include not only our Nation’s arsenals, but also require your active participation in the discussions our society has about the present conflict as well as those to come.
You must remember that our enemy is a determined one and they are prepared to fight for an extremely long time. Time is our enemy, not theirs. Be patient!
The military aspects of this war are important but so are the economic ones. As such, our nation must focus on providing economic stimulus during the war. Our enemy has decided to fight us not just militarily, but economically as well.
…This war is aimed at Americans, not just the at government, but the very fabric of our society

I wrote this in 2003 to warn everyone that our nation was in for a long struggle. That struggle had just begun and has many more years to go before the conflict is subdued. Our elected officials are playing into the hands of the enemy when they released the CIA report. To fail to understand that the enemy takes encouragement from our elected leaders public disclosures is horribly naïve and potentially fatal to thousands of America’s finest.

Remaining steadfast and determined has not been an enduring quality or trait of our culture lately. The terrorist organizations know that and we are playing right into their hands.

To successfully prosecute this war we must build the relationships that human intelligence capabilities require so that more September 11th type attacks will be avoided. This rebuilding of the intelligence capability is a decades-long process and requires our legislative and executive branches to be consistent. Publishing the Senate report at this time is counterproductive to that end and will extend this conflict for decades.

For all of the soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines around the world, I want to personally offer you my support and prayers. You are the victims of the irresponsible conduct of the Senate Select Committee members of both parties who voted for this release. We, in the military, take an oath of office to support and defend the Constitution of the United States of America.

At the same time, our elected leaders have a responsibility to protect you. With the release of this report, our country has let you down -- particularly Sen. Dianne Feinstein.

My only apprehension is that many young men and women in harm’s way will be on the receiving end of the report and our elected leaders of either party have the responsibility to be objective meaning to be intellectually honest and fair.

The release of this report is not a Democrat or Republican issue. This issue affects my fellow servicemen and women who may be harmed by the release and to the nation who will not be engaged in conflict for decades to come.

A dear friend of mine mentioned to me that we have to be an open and free society. She is absolutely correct. But this report and ones similar to it should be released to the public after the conflict and not during the conflict.

During my tour as a Marine I had sad honor to do a casualty call and notify a family, including three young children, of the death of their parent -- a fellow Marine. There was no greater honor than to do this but to have to make a casualty call because a politician released a report that incited in enemy to attack people is morally reprehensible to me.

To my fellow Service members, Semper Fidelis.

Col. Frank Ryan, CPA, USMCR (Ret) and served in Iraq and briefly in Afghanistan and specializes in corporate restructuring and lectures on ethics for the state CPA societies. He has served on numerous boards of publicly traded and non-profit organizations. He can be reached at FRYAN1951@aol.com and twitter at @fryan1951.

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Is The CIA Report An Attempt To Make Self-Defense Illegal?



Posted on December 12, 2014 by Michael Ware


There has been a lot of noises made concerning the recently released report on CIA interrogation methods. It has been reported that there was no intelligence gained, which stopped any terrorist attack. It also has been reported that the people accused of plotting or perpetrating attacks against America were mistreated. Tortured for information, which was either not obtained or was of no tactical or military use.
Let me state that I am not an advocate of torture, of anyone. It has been proven to be ineffective as the tortured will give false information if he has none to get the pain to stop. It seems that we have to be better than the monsters we fight. I have to state this upfront so that there will not be any confusion by what I am about to say.
I believe that this is at best a false understanding of what occurs and at worse a malicious attempt to discredit those defending us. I have not come to this conclusion simply because I want it to be true, but because it can be shown to be true.
There has been no organized attack on U.S. soil since 2001.
Granted, there have been attacks against America and its interests around the world, but not inside our borders. I also have the qualification of being organized. That is a part of a terror cell, organization, or country.

Yes, there have been lone nuts, but not like we saw on 9/11. This points to the fact that there has been some success in thwarting such attacks. I can not speak for all Americans, but I remember 9/11. I am personally glad, whatever actions were taken to stop such attacks were taken.
We have to ask two and only two questions when considering this issue. The first has to do with those “tortured.” Are they legal combatants? The question is at the heart of the issue and very much the deciding factor on how we should view and feel about this report (If we believe it at all).
We must understand that the Geneva Convention is very clear on the handling of civilians attacking strategic targets. They are illegal combatants and have no rights whatsoever. So the question that has been raised concerning war criminals in our services is asinine.
The second question is harder to discern. Why this report? What did this serve in keeping us safe? It would be understandable if Iran had backed this investigation. They would have something to gain by slandering our intelligence community. I would like to believe that Feinstein and company was simply too stupid to know the effect this report would have.
Had this report been done as a means of checking the actions of one part of the government by another, in the interest of better protecting all people, then all this could have been handled internally. But this was made public for a reason.
It is no secret that there has been a move to make the action of self-defense illegal internationally. The very act of fighting off those who would destroy you and your way of life is being criminalized. At the same time, the aggressor is justified and made the victim. This has happened with Israel for years and now is accruing with the people who risk everything for our safety. This has to stop, or it will be illegal to prevent the destruction of our way of life.

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Torture Report Exposes Sadism and Lies

December 9, 2014

The stunning Senate Intelligence Committee report on torture and other sadistic treatment meted out to “war on terror” detainees has shredded the credibility of CIA apologists who claimed the “enhance interrogations” were carefully calibrated and humane, as ex-CIA analyst Melvin A. Goodman explains.

By Melvin A. Goodman
CIA Director John Brennan, having failed to block the release of the Senate Intelligence Committee’s report on torture and abuse, is now abetting the efforts of former CIA directors and deputy directors to rebut the report’s conclusions that the interrogation techniques amounted to sadism and that senior CIA officials lied to the White House, the Congress, and the Department of Justice about the effectiveness of the enhanced interrogation program.
Former CIA directors George Tenet and Michael Hayden and deputy directors John McLaughlin and Steve Kappes, who were guilty of past deceit on sensitive issues, have threatened to make documents available to undermine the findings of the Senate committee. The senior operations officer who ran the CIA’s torture and abuse program, Jose Rodriquez, has been permitted to write a book and a long essay in the Washington Post that argue the interrogation techniques were legal and effective. Their charges are completely spurious and their credibility is non-existent.
President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney receive an Oval Office briefing from CIA Director George Tenet. Also present is Chief of Staff Andy Card (on right). (White House photo)

CIA directors Tenet and Hayden, who signed off on the enhanced interrogation program, were involved in numerous efforts to politicize the work of the CIA. In addition to deceiving the White House on the efficacy of the torture program, Tenet provided misinformation to the White House on Iraqi weapons of mass destruction. His role on Iraqi WMD has been comprehensively and authoritatively documented in the reports of the Robb-Silberman Committee, the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, and the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.
In response to President George W. Bush’s demand for intelligence to make the case for war in Iraq, Tenet responded that it would be a “slam dunk” to do so. He resigned from the CIA in 2004 in order to avoid testifying to a series of congressional committees about his perfidy.
General Hayden’s record is similarly flawed. Even before taking over the CIA in 2006, Hayden was the director of the National Security Agency’s warrantless eavesdropping program that began after 9/11. This program violated the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 and the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution that prohibits unlawful seizures and searches.
At the CIA, Hayden named John Rizzo as the Agency’s general counsel although he knew that Rizzo had been the CIA’s leading lawyer in pursuing legal justification for torture and abuse of terrorist suspects. Fortunately, Senator Ron Wyden, D-Oregon, who led the way in making sure that the CIA could not redact key aspects of the torture report, blocked the confirmation of Rizzo, who eventually withdrew his nomination.
Hayden also weakened the Office of the Inspector General, which had been critical of the CIA’s renditions and interrogations programs, and even targeted the IG himself, John Helgerson, who had recommended accountability boards for CIA officers involved in the 9/11 intelligence failure, torture and abuse, and illegal renditions.
Deputy directors McLaughlin and Kappes also misled senior U.S. officials on key intelligence issues. McLaughlin, who actually delivered the “slam dunk” briefing to President Bush that CIA Director Tenet had promised, misled Secretary of State Colin Powell on the intelligence that became part of Powell’s speech to the United Nations in February 2003 to make the case for war in Iraq.
In addition to perverting the intelligence process, McLaughlin tried to silence the chief of the Iraq Survey Group, David Kay, who found no evidence of Iraqi WMD. McLaughlin was also a key advocate for the notorious “Curveball,” whose phony intelligence on mobile biological laboratories ended up in Powell’s speech to the UN. Earlier in his career, McLaughlin had a key role in covering up the efforts of CIA deputy Robert Gates to politicize key intelligence in the 1980s.
Kappes may not have been involved in all of the decisions on torture and abuse and the secret prisons where the sadistic activity took place, but he was totally witting of the program. The Senate report cites the efforts of senior CIA leaders to impede the work of the Office of the Inspector General, and Kappes was a key part of this effort.
Kappes‘s career eventually suffered from briefing the White House on a Jordanian agent who was going to lead the CIA to al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri; the agent turned out to be a suicide bomber who decimated the leadership of the most sensitive CIA facility in Afghanistan in 2009.
Jose Rodriquez, like Kappes, was particularly hostile to the statutory IG, John Helgerson, and the work of the OIG on the enhanced interrogation techniques. Rodriquez, who destroyed 92 torture tapes over the objections of the White House, contends that the interrogation techniques were “blessed by the highest legal authorities in the land, conducted by trained professionals, and applied to only a handful of the most important terrorists on the planet.” The Senate report puts the lie to all of these contentions.
It is unfortunate that the Obama administration did not appoint a special prosecutor in order to get some accountability for the heinous crimes that were committed by senior CIA officials or the kind of truth and reconciliation committee that has proved useful in East Europe or South Africa where terrible crimes have been committed. Nevertheless, the Senate’s authoritative report gives a full description of the unconscionable activities that took place in the name of the United States and offers sufficient evidence to block the outrageous efforts of former CIA directors and deputy directors to deceive the American people.
Melvin A. Goodman is senior fellow at the Center for International Policy and professor of government at Johns Hopkins University. He is the author of The Failure of Intelligence: The Decline and Fall of the CIA and National Insecurity: The Cost of American Militarism and the forthcoming The Path to Dissent: The Story of a CIA Whistleblower (City Lights Publishers, 2015).
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CIA TORTURE REVIEW: HOW TO DODGE A DIRECT QUESTION 101



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CIA Director Defends Torture



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CIA Director John Brennan is finally acknowledging that some of the agency’s interrogation techniques were abhorrent. But at a news conference, Brennan defends the agency - the CIA - from many of the charges in a scathing Senate Intelligence Committee Report. The director held the rare press conference to say that valuable information was gained from the so-called enhanced interrogation techniques - also known as torture. Although he said the question remains, whether or not the information could have been gained without those harsh methods. As Brennan spoke with reporters, Intelligence Committee Chairwoman, Senator Diane Feinstein was live tweeting rebuttals. There’s something you don’t see every day. The two have clashed before. By the end of the day, Feinstein conceded that the news conference showed CIA leadership is committed to preventing the controversial torture tactics from ever happening again.

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Government Torture: CIA Just Tip Of The Iceberg http://b4in.org/hCuf

Government torture has been revealed to a shocking extent with the Senate CIA Torture Report, yet chronic everyday torture of the American public remains.

Government torture is a sad but unfortunately very routine, ordinary and normal part of how Government operates, and has operated, for a very long time. Government is a creature of coercion for the most part. It is most fluent in the language of force. It tends to attract sociopaths and psychopaths, who use the office to attain various personal ends (like enriching themselves and their cronies), and also use the position to shield themselves from personal responsibility.

They think that if they have shiny badge, a nice uniform or an exclusive agency ID that they can avoid accountability, and get away scot-free with abusing almost anyone they like. The recent revelations of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (pdf document here) show that Government torture is definitely cruel (in direction violation of the US Constitution and the 8th Amendment, which forbids “cruel and unusual punishments”), and seems only to be limited by the imagination of the sadists performing the torture. I mean, whoever thought of rectally inserting hummus and pasta into someone to supposedly get them to give you information?

I don’t think torture is okay whatever the concocted reason of national security is. However, the report itself notes that “The CIA’s use of its enhanced interrogation techniques was not an effective means of acquiring intelligence or gaining cooperation from detainees.”

“Paragon of American Values” CIA Performs Horrific Government Torture

US Presidents love to sing the praises of how the CIA is such a lovely and upstanding community of people, and how it so dutifully upholds American values.

Obama in his recent apology stated that: “As Americans, we owe a profound debt of gratitude to our fellow citizens who serve to keep us safe, among them the dedicated men and women of our intelligence community, including the CIA.

Since the horrific attacks of 9/11, these public servants have worked tirelessly to devastate core al Qaeda, deliver justice to Osama bin Laden, disrupt terrorist operations and thwart terrorist attacks.”

Yet given that 9/11 was an inside job, that Al-Qaeda is “The Database” of the CIA, that Osama was a CIA-trained operative who was killed a couple of times over, seems like the CIA does a good job of inventing and creating just about every threat it allegedly “heroically” stops.

Even a cursory examination of the CIA’s notorious activities reveal that its 3 primary functions seem to be:

Managing and controlling the world’s drug trade, especially cocaine and heroin;
Assassinating domestic and foreign politicians and activists who are getting too close to the truth;
Overthrowing democratically or legitimately-elected foreign leaders and governments, to replace them with puppet regimes.

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