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Betsy, yes, that's the question...How would we know? Maybe the better way to ask the question is "How COULD we know"? The obvious answer is, we could know if records weren't sealed. Why are records sealed? To hide the truth or damaging information. There is no other rational explanation given the context of what we see going on around us. We are being taken for a ride by a driver we know nothing about to an unknown destination.Quote:
Originally Posted by BetsyRoss
I think we know the destination - the complete and utter destruction of our free republic.Quote:
Originally Posted by TexasBorn
I make mistakes, you make mistakes, he makes mistakes;
we all make mistakes, you all make mistakes, they all make mistakes.
Here are some from WorldNetDaily, which seems to have lost its touch for accurate research since Lucas Smith came out with his latest and greatest document.
WorldNetDaily was first to market with Lucas Smith's Kenyan Birth Certificate in late July, which may be why they appear to be backpedaling now on the possibly counterfeit goods. But the reasonings WND is currently offering are as shaky as the foundations of the first FactCheck/DailyK0s JPEG. Perhaps Dr. Corsi has a noob ghost writer who is not yet up to speed.
But GLOBE magazine contradicted that statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Jerome R. Corsi for WorldNetDaily, originally
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Originally Posted by Globe
Who is behind Quashing of the Birth Certificate Issue
[posted] by DefendUSx August 25, 2009 19:41
By Joan Swirsky
Tuesday, August 25, 2009
Back in October of 2008, when the subject of Obama's Constitutional eligibility to be president of the United States was just a blip on the radar screen of public awareness, I wrote an article about how easy it was to find my then-92-year-old mother's birth certificate.
Frankly, I didn't think finding my mother's birth certificate was possible, given the fact that she had been born in a farmhouse in Storrs, CT, along with nine of her 10 siblings, to parents who didn't speak English. Despairing that she would never be "qualified" to receive the care she desperately needed, I set about to find the document, which I was sure had vanished in the unreliable record-keeping of 1913.
First I called an official in Hartford, the capitol of Connecticut, who recommended that I call the Storrs record-keeping office.
That took two minutes.
Next I called the Storrs office and was told to call another number.
That took two minutes.
When I called the third number, I explained to the woman who answered the phone that I was “asking something impossible.” I gave her my mother’s first name and her father’s last name.
Within four minutes, she said, “Here it is!” She had found my mother’s birth certificate, and it surprised me when I learned my mother’s “real” first name and “real” last name had changed significantly as she and her family became Americanized.
When I expressed my amazement, the woman said: “That’s nothing…we’re routinely asked to find birth certificates from the 1800s, and we do that all the time!”
Total time it took me to find my mother’s 1913, born-in-a-farmhouse birth certificate: 10 minutes!
WHERE IS OBAMA’S?
To this date, Barack Obama has refused – or been unable –to produce an authentic birth certificate that attests to the fact he is an American-born citizen. He has had more than the two-years of campaigning for the presidency of the United States to do this, but failed.
Why is this important? Because the Constitution of the United States expressly forbids anyone born on foreign soil to run for the highest office in our land!
You would think that Obama would have volunteered the “proof” of his eligibility within a nanosecond of entering the race. But here we are, less than two weeks away from the election, and Americans still don’t know if Obama is an American!
While Obama’s camp submitted a supposedly authentic birth certificate to the far-left blog Daily Kos, it was found to have been a photo-shopped version of the birth certificate of his half-sister, who was actually born in Hawaii, as Obama claims he was.
While this glaring omission in Obama’s eligibility to become the most powerful man on earth mystified some and rankled others, a few people – clearly alarmed at what they considered a stealth candidate’s attempt to dance his way around the Constitution and venture into the realm of criminality– took action.
SLEUTH #1
The first sleuth was lawyer Philip J. Berg, a Democrat from Pennsylvania and an undisguised Hillary fan.
Last August, Berg – a former deputy attorney general of Pennsylvania and one-time candidate for both governor and senator –filed a lawsuit in Federal Court (Berg vs. Obama, Civil Action No. 08-cv-4083) seeking a Declaratory Judgment and an Injunction against Obama, alleging that the first-term Illinois senator did not meet the qualifications to be President of the United States.
Berg’s suit was based on Obama’s failure to answer satisfactorily the question of where he was born. Was it in Hawaii, Kenya, or Indonesia? Was his legal name Barack Hussein Obama, Barry Soetoro (his stepfather’s surname), Barry Obama, Barack Dunham (his maternal grandparents’ surname), or Barry Dunham?
Among the other questions Berg raised were the authenticity of the name Obama used on his Illinois Bar Application and his possible allegiance to other countries.
Details of the case, including direct quotations, are found on Berg’s website: www.obamacrimes.com.
“Voters donated money, goods and services to elect a nominee and were defrauded by Senator Obama’s lies and obfuscations,” Berg said.
“He clearly shows a conscience of guilt by his actions in using the forged birth certificate and the lies he’s told to cover his loss of citizenship. We believe he…supported this belief by his actions in hiding his secret, in that he failed to regain his citizenship and used documents to further his position as a natural born citizen…His very acts prove he knew he was no longer a natural born citizen. We believe he knew he was defrauding the country or else why use the forged birth certificate of his half sister?...If the DNC officers and/or leaders had performed one ounce of due diligence, we would not find ourselves in this emergency predicament…from making a person the nominee who has lost their citizenship as a child and failed to even perform the basic steps of regaining citizenship through an oath of allegiance at age eighteen [18] as prescribed by Constitutional laws!”
The net result of Berg’s efforts was that, on September 9, both Obama and the Democratic National Committee filed a joint motion for a Protective Order to Stay Discovery pending a decision on the Motion to Dismiss his lawsuit. In other words, to make Berg’s lawsuit go away!
Berg said he was “outraged, as this is another attempt to hide the truth from the public; it is obvious that documents do not exist to prove that Obama is qualified to be President.” The joint motion, Berg asserted, was a concerted effort to avoid the truth by attempting to delay the judicial process, although legal, by not resolving the issue presented: that is, whether Barack Obama meets the qualifications to be President. He said it is obvious that Obama was born in Kenya and does not meet the qualifications to be President of the United States. Simply stated, Obama “is unable to produce a certified copy of his Birth Certificate from Hawaii because it does not exist.”
An e-mail friend of mine, a lawyer, stated: “What has boggled my mind about this case is that Berg simply waited for a court order to compel the production of the birth certificate, when he could just as easily have served a subpoena on the Hawaii County Clerk or County Recorder – or whoever is the custodian of records in Hawaii – to produce the original birth certificate for examination by an expert forensic-document examiner to produce certified copies to the Court, the Plaintiff, and the Defendants, which would have shifted the burden to Obama to quash the subpoena – and if he filed a motion to quash the subpoena to produce his own birth certificate, that would sure as hell tell us that he has a lot to hide.”
SLEUTH #2
Also in August, longtime Obama nemesis Andy Martin – a Chicago journalist, lawyer, author of the bestseller, “Obama: The Man Behind The Mask,” and executive editor [of] www.ContrarianCommentary.com – filed a suit in the Court of the First Circuit State of Hawaii (08-1-2147-10) against the Republican governor, Linda Lingle, and the director of the Department of Health, Dr. Chiyome Fukino.
Martin’s suit alleged that the defendants had refused to provide a copy of the requested, certified copy of the birth certificate of Senator Obama “attested to by the State and not a `certificate’ which is posted on a website and which has been debunked as possibly having been altered.”
“It is axiomatic,” Martin’s suit said, “that the birth certificate of a presidential candidate is a document of crucial public concern and significance.”
Failing both his petition and an initial “emergency motion,” Martin filed his second emergency motion this month (-1-2147-10 BIA) “for an Order to Show Cause (`OSC’) directing the defendants…on or before October 22, 2008…at a hearing before this Court why the relief requested by the Plaintiff should not be granted…This lawsuit does not involve complicated or disputed facts.”
“Why is Barack Obama obstructing access to his birth records?” Martin asks. “Along with his obstructing access to college records and other essential information about his past? I want to see a certified copy issued by the State of Hawaii, not one issued by the State of Obama… Interestingly, we think we also know now why he has virtually imprisoned his white grandmother and refuses to allow her to appear in public?”
Numerous conservative journalists, talking heads and bloggers have addressed Obama’s fitness to be president, questioning his:
* Reed-thin résumé.
* Stunning lack of concrete legislative accomplishments (both in the Illinois legislature and the U.S. Senate).
* Long-time close relationships and associations with Marxists and anti-American militants like Frank Marshall, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Father Michael Phleger, Khalid Rashidi, et al.
* Failure to provide transcripts of his years at Occidental College, Columbia University, and Harvard Law School.
* Failure to provide any more than a one-page “report” from his medical doctor about his health status.
* Rationale for flip-flopping on every major issue – economic policy, domestic policy, foreign policy, et al – during this campaign.
The sleuthing continues. According to Berg, Martin, and a number of other sources, Obama was really born in the Coast Provincial General Hospital at Mombassa, Kenya at 7.24 PM on August 4, 1961, a birth that was documented by a certificate with an embossed seal that displays the name of the hospital, as well as witness signatures. In addition, if these reports are accurate, his grandmother in Kenya, as well as his brother and sister, claim they were present during Obama’s birth in Kenya.
GRAMMY DEAREST
Now – belatedly – that the net is closing in on Obama, and the suspicions, as many have alleged, are that he is a Trojan Horse for Islamic interests, or a Manchurian Candidate, or a total fraud – Obama has seemingly discovered an interest in his ailing grandmother. Yes, that Grammy who he so facilely threw under the bus during the early days of his campaign.
He is now so worried about Grandma Dunham – the woman who raised him but strangely didn’t attend his nomination – that he is taking a few days off from his intense campaign to visit this ailing widow.
Or could his strangely-timed trip to Hawaii really be to “clear up” the sticky case of his missing birth certificate?
I live in New York, where it is not uncommon for BIG payoffs to influence people to come up with “the goods.” A half-a-million here, a dire threat there, often influence people to do things – like perjure themselves, produce phony documents, et al – that they would never do under less “pressured” circumstances.
If the magic document doesn’t appear, it is possible, and entirely legal, that Obama could be removed from the ballots in states that are questioning his eligibility.
According to a recent article in The Daily Herald in Everett, WA, a civil action was filed in Washington State Superior Court against Sam Reed, Secretary of State, demanding that Illinois Sen. Barack Obama be removed from the ballot in Washington unless he can provide verification of his status as a United States citizen. The citizen who filed the suit, Steven Marquis, asked that Reed verify – by looking at “original or certified verifiable official documents” – that Obama is a natural-born citizen of the United States and eligible to serve as president, and that the office do so by Election Day.
Like others investigating the matter, Marquis said that answering the unanswered questions about Obama’s citizenship and background would “preclude a constitutional crisis and likely civil unrest” that would arise if information about Obama’s ineligibility came to light after the election.
EXPLOSIVE PRESS RELEASE
This week, on October 21, 2008, Mr. Berg released the result of his investigation. In a startling press release, he has announced that “Obama & DNC admit all allegations in Berg v. Obama.”
In his release, Berg explained that “by way of failure to timely respond to Requests for Admissions… the DNC `ADMITTED’ that Obama is “NOT QUALIFIED” to be President and therefore Obama must immediately withdraw his candidacy for President and the DNC shall substitute a qualified candidate.”
Berg stated that he filed Requests for Admissions on September 15, 2008 with a response by way of answer or objection had to be served within thirty [30] days. No response to the Requests for Admissions was served by way of response or objection. Thus, all of the Admissions directed to Obama and the DNC are deemed “ADMITTED.” Therefore, Obama must immediately withdraw his candidacy for President.
According to Berg, Obama – by default – admitted to every charge the lawyer made., among them:
1. I was born in Kenya.
2. I am a Kenya “natural born” citizen.
3. My foreign birth was registered in the State of Hawaii.
4. My father, Barrack Hussein Obama, Sr. admitted Paternity of me.
5. My mother gave birth to me in Mombosa, Kenya.
The list includes 56 admissions.
The DNC’s admissions, which number 27, include that:
1. They nominated Barack Hussein Obama as the Democratic Nominee for President.
2. Have not vetted Barack Hussein Obama.
3. They did not have a background check performed on Barack Hussein Obama.
4. They did not verify Barack Hussein Obama’s eligibility to serve as President of the United States.
5. Barack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya.
For the entire list, go to: www.obamacrimes.com.
WHAT HAPPENS NOW?
Interest in this case is understandably intense. Berg’s website has already received over 55 million hits. But predictably, the overwhelmingly liberal media has yet to pick up on this story, as if ignoring a story that has profound implications for our Republic and for the potential of a Constitutional crisis is less important than discussing Sarah Palin’s wardrobe.
It’s possible that all the states that are working on obtaining Obama’s birth certificate will simultaneously remove him from the ballot at one time.
It’s also possible that, failing to produce the birth certificate, Obama will voluntarily step aside, leaving a breach through which Hillary will walk.
Meanwhile, as legal challenges proceed at warp speed, and Obama’s lawyers scramble to avoid the Scandal of the Century, one thing remains intractably the same: Obama still hasn’t produced proof of his U.S. citizenship!
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[quote="MinutemanCDC_SC"][size=117]Who is behind Quashing of the Birth Certificate Issue
[posted] by DefendUSx August 25, 2009 19:41
By Joan Swirsky Tuesday, August 25, 2009
Back in October of 2008, when the subject of Obama’s Constitutional eligibility to be president of the United States was just a blip on the radar screen of public awareness, I wrote an article about how easy it was to find my then-92-year-old mother’s birth certificate.
Frankly, I didn’t think finding my mother’s birth certificate was possible, given the fact that she had been born in a farmhouse in Storrs, CT, along with nine of her 10 siblings, to parents who didn’t speak English. Despairing that she would never be “qualifiedâ€
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepubli ... i0830.html
Franks clarifies stance on Obama birth debate
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by Dan Nowicki - Aug. 30, 2009 12:00 AM
The Arizona Republic
Rep. Trent Franks briefly found himself at the center of a national furor Monday after a Mohave County newspaper reported that he might file a lawsuit over President Barack Obama's citizenship status.
Although Obama's Aug. 4, 1961, birth in Honolulu is confirmed by contemporary newspaper announcements and other evidence, a persistent political conspiracy theory suggests that he was born in Kenya and thus does not meet the Constitution's requirement that the president be a natural-born citizen.
Franks, R-Ariz., clarified that what he actually told an Aug. 22 Kingman town-hall audience was that he had considered filing such a suit "at one time," but after some research he ultimately concluded "the bulk of the evidence" indicated Obama was born in Hawaii after it became a state in 1959
An audio clip from the town hall backs up Franks' account, and the Mohave Daily News on Tuesday published a follow-up story putting Franks' position in better context.
Still, Franks believes Obama should release his original, long-form birth certificate to definitively answer the questions. The president has released a short version of the document.
Makes you wonder who may have threatened his grandchildren.Quote:
Originally Posted by FreedomFirst
Tip of the iceberg
Lengthy but kind of interesting about Constitution, the Superior Court system of the District of Columbia, birth certificates, and the U.S. as a corporation.
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/PatriotsHe ... Grand-Jury
I have sadly come to recognize the ugly reality of the situation we face with Obama. The upcoming Carter hearing with Orly Taitz will be derailed. Her case will never see the light day in a U.S. courtroom, nor will any other case. The powers that be, including the Supreme Court will never allow these cases to proceed. Why? Because the judges in this country fear that overturning the election of a popularly elected President would create chaos in our streets and in our government...and because money talks. There is too much money invested in Obama to let it slip away over something as trivial as his constitutional eligibility. The judges also fear the repercussions of the airing of the multiple constitutional violations being perpetrated on the citizens of this country by the office of the president and the congress. Our only hope is to turn him into a lame duck before he has completed his first year in office. We have to put a stranglehold on congress and the purse strings. If congress fails to heed the outcry of it's constituents and passes unconstitutional legislation to the detriment of this country and it's citizens, I fear we will be witness to the beginning of a new phase of the brewing discontent. What form this will take is not in our hands. The Tea Parties and town hall meetings throughout this country are the first shots across the bow. I hope I am wrong but know that I am not alone. I've seen it in the faces and hear it in the voices of everyone around me. Please prove me wrong.
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/10582301/President-Obama’s-Address-to-Students-Across-America-September-8-2009
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PreK-6 Menu of Classroom Activities:
President Obama’s Address to Students
Across America
Produced by Teaching Ambassador Fellows, U.S. Department of Education September 8, 2009
Before the Speech:
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Teachers can build background knowledge about the President of the United States and his speech by reading books about presidents and Barack Obama and motivate students by asking the following questions: Who is the President of the United States? What do you think it takes to be President? To whom do you think the President is going to be speaking? Why do you think he wants to speak to you? What do you think he will say to you?
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Teachers can ask students to imagine being the President delivering a speech to all of the students in the United States. What would you tell students? What can students do to help in our schools? Teachers can chart ideas about what they would say.
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Why is it important that we listen to the President and other elected officials, like the mayor, senators, members of congress, or the governor? Why is what they say important?
During the Speech:
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As the President speaks, teachers can ask students to write down key ideas or phrases that are important or personally meaningful. Students could use a note-taking graphic organizer such as a Cluster Web, or students could record their thoughts on sticky notes. Younger children can draw pictures and write as appropriate. As students listen to the speech, they could think about the following: What is the President trying to tell me? What is the President asking me to do? What new ideas and actions is the President challenging me to think about?
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Students can record important parts of the speech where the President is asking them to do something. Students might think about: What specific job is he asking me to do? Is he asking anything of anyone else? Teachers? Principals? Parents? The American people?
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Students can record any questions they have while he is speaking and then discuss them after the speech. Younger children may need to dictate their questions.
After the Speech:
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Teachers could ask students to share the ideas they recorded, exchange sticky notes or stick notes on a butcher paper poster in the classroom to discuss main ideas from the speech, i.e. citizenship, personal responsibility, civic duty.
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Students could discuss their responses to the following questions: What do you think the President wants us to do? Does the speech make you want to do anything? Are we able to do what President Obama is asking of us? What would you like to tell the President?
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Teachers could encourage students to participate in the Department of Education’s “I Am What I Learnâ€