Re: Why McCain Cannot Be President
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Originally Posted by cayla99
I am on the fence about McCains status. He may have been born at the nearest hospital which was not on a US base, but he WAS BORN to TWO citizen parents, whom were only out of the country because the father was in service to this nation.
Professor Chin's analysis seems to start and end with the "assumption" (misguided) that McCain's claim to birth inside the "zone" (on not the soil of Panama) was accurate. McCain made that claim in order to strengthen his contention that he'd been born on "soil" that was under U.S. jurisdiction. But that didn't happen until a year later (in 1937) with the legislation which straightened out the problems of birth status of individuals born to Americans inside the Zone. Which was a problem unique to the Zone.
Had the geographical correction been made by Chin, to comport with the facts unearthed by Fred Hollander once he obtained the original birth certificate, what MIGHT logically have happened would have been a finding of U.S. citizenship at birth (same kind of citizenship granted to any child of two U.S. citizens who happens to be born abroad) but not "natural born" citizenship because the birth was not on soil that was under U.S. jurisdiction AND because the country of Panama at that time conferred "ius soli" citizenship to anyone born on its soil. To secure the privilege of U.S. citizenship, however, the American parents are supposed to report the birth ASAP to the nearest consulate to obtain the necessary official recognition. Not sure if McCain's parents did that or not.
Re: Why McCain Cannot Be President
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Originally Posted by cayla99
I am on the fence about McCains status. He may have been born at the nearest hospital which was not on a US base, but he WAS BORN to TWO citizen parents, whom were only out of the country because the father was in service to this nation.
My point originally was not clearly stated, but implied. Sorry.
On the one hand we had the Tribe-Olson Opinion providing arguments why McCain WAS eligible to be POTUS, and on the other hand we have Gabriel (Jack) Chin showing us how McCain WAS NOT eligible to be POTUS. Both arguments are found in the original linked Scribd document.
Both arguments addressed the nbc issue, and I believe there is reason to look at both sides of both arguments so that we may apply some of the logic with regard to Obama's eligibility.
McCain is no longer viable as a POTUS candidate - he's had his shot at the top job, and he failed. Now he can act as a consultant to future candidates, but that is all he can do. So, on a personal basis, I don't care about McCain's citizenship or nbc eligibility either. He's passe.
Remember, however, that neither candidate was nbc eligible in 2008, and my personal belief is that the closer we investigate both candidates and the actual election procedures (evidence is showing increasing signs of widespread Democratic Party urban election fraud in 2008), the more we will understand what actually happened in 2008 and this will provide us with techniques on how to prevent similar unlawful candidate selection and election activities in the future.
The more reading I do on the current state of affairs in the United States, the more concerned I have become about the overwhelming infiltration of communists into our government in recent years. The reason why Obama (IMO, merely a figurehead and shill in this government) is so open in his embracement of socialism and Marxism is because he is surrounded with a stupid/co-dependent electorate and an already existing and powerful elite communist support mechanism within the government and without the government (e.g. Soros) that gives him license and freedom to promote the Marxist agenda openly.
The communists already control us and our government, so they are now openly acting out their agenda and they don't have to act in a stealthy manner as they had to act in years past. Tragically, the shadow communist government is now able to act out its devastation of the U.S. in the open.
The existence of the shadow government helps explain why the Million Patriot March on 9-12 and the widespread patriotic Tea Parties had no effect on government representative's actions - the miscreants no longer fear public disclosure or criticism - they ARE in control of us now.
So, no matter how logically and legally right we are about Obama and his eligibility problem, he will never be removed from office unless, perhaps, the military steps in and forcefully restores our lawful government (and in consideration of the military's PC reaction to the Ft Hood massacre, I have serious doubts about the military leadership helping the American people).
My perception is that we will soon see the absolute and complete destruction of the United States of America, including our money system, our life style, our standard of living, and every freedom loving thing we believe in. The one worlders are getting closer to slamming the gavel and closing our nation down. We will not be able to pass our free republic on to our children.
Unless we stop them dead in their tracks.
So, if you believe what I have just written, the only remaining question we all have to individually ask and answer is, what are we going to DO about the overtaking of our government by the elitists and the communists, and the destruction of our nation? If anything.
For each of us that see clearly and understand the real problems our nation faces (we have chosen to take the 'red' pill), there will be an individual answer. The sum of our individual decisions will determine the future of our country. It's that simple.
I increasingly know what my answer is, and what I will be doing about the problem in the coming months and years. But that is my personal decision and is not suitable for inclusion in an open forum like Alipac.
