I agree that more focus must be placed on his fathers nationality as a British citizen. This has teeth.
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I agree that more focus must be placed on his fathers nationality as a British citizen. This has teeth.
I agree that more focus must be placed on his fathers nationality as a British citizen. This has teeth.
thats a great video.Quote:
Originally Posted by cayla99
Castle from Delaware is an IDIOT
thats a great video.Quote:
Originally Posted by cayla99
Castle from Delaware is an IDIOT
Great post HighlanderJuan, Thanks!
Simple and straight forward, without all of the legalese mumbo jumbo.
Quote:
Anyone who takes the time actually to read the Constitution—and to peruse a few books of history so that he can understand its language as the Founding Fathers did—can come to know what the Constitution truly means. After all, the Constitution was written to be adopted and applied by farmers, yeomen, mechanics, merchants, and other common people—both in the late 1700s and thereafter throughout the ages. It contains no mysterious passages that can be deciphered only by graduates of Harvard, Yale, or other elitist law schools (which, by the way, none of the Framers attended), or by the black robes in the even smaller population of judges appointed to office because of their back-room political connections.
Great post HighlanderJuan, Thanks!
Simple and straight forward, without all of the legalese mumbo jumbo.
Quote:
Anyone who takes the time actually to read the Constitution—and to peruse a few books of history so that he can understand its language as the Founding Fathers did—can come to know what the Constitution truly means. After all, the Constitution was written to be adopted and applied by farmers, yeomen, mechanics, merchants, and other common people—both in the late 1700s and thereafter throughout the ages. It contains no mysterious passages that can be deciphered only by graduates of Harvard, Yale, or other elitist law schools (which, by the way, none of the Framers attended), or by the black robes in the even smaller population of judges appointed to office because of their back-room political connections.
Call 303-713-TALK Now And tell Tom Marttino that the American Public Does care if he is born outside the usa. Tom is saying So What if he was born outside the us since nothing is bieng done.
www.khow.com is the radio station website
Get on the phone and blast them with the facts!!!
Call 303-713-TALK Now And tell Tom Marttino that the American Public Does care if he is born outside the usa. Tom is saying So What if he was born outside the us since nothing is bieng done.
www.khow.com is the radio station website
Get on the phone and blast them with the facts!!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by jamesw62
We're not dealing with rocket scientists here.Quote:
Originally Posted by In 1891, Mark Twain
Nor are our hearers usually well-informed about the issue.
In any public interview, we must assume nothing, expect no knowledge except of MSM propaganda, and present to the lowest common denominator. Dr. Orly Taitz did just that for the TV cameras in front of the U.S. Post Office and Federal Courthouse in Columbus, GA. Her rapidfire prepared speech for the cameras covers the subject in about five minutes.
The problem is, the "limited attention span TV network format" won't give her more than 15 seconds of a 30 second news clip... at the most. The subject suffers from complexity... a 15 second soundbite just won't communicate it.
http://shop.wnd.com/store/images/items/SP136.jpg
"Where's the Birth Certificate? - wnd.com" is a good start, but the other components of the issue need equal major exposure.
The Framers of the U.S. Constitution sought to part company with Great Britain on British Common Law as well as on the sovereignty of the Crown. They used international law in place of Common Law, incorporating the principles of de Vattel's The Law of Nations into the Constitution. This stated that a "natural born citizen" is one born in the country with no loyalty to any other sovereignty. Later, de Vattel expounded upon this definition,Quote:
The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. ...those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. ... The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children... I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.
John Jay, the first Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, advised George Washington,Quote:
Permit me to hint whether it would not be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of foreigners into the administration of our national government ; and to declare expressly that the command in chief of the American army shall not be given to, nor devolve on any but a natural born citizen.
Article II, Section 1, of the U.S. Constitution was written in such a way as to prevent any subject of the Crown from slipping into the Presidency and retaking the United States as Colonies of the Crown.Quote:
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;
The 14th Amendment says, in part,Quote:
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
Rep. John Bingham, the primary author of the 14th Amendment, wrote,[quote][size=117][I] find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that [b]â€
Quote:
Originally Posted by jamesw62
We're not dealing with rocket scientists here.Quote:
Originally Posted by In 1891, Mark Twain
Nor are our hearers usually well-informed about the issue.
In any public interview, we must assume nothing, expect no knowledge except of MSM propaganda, and present to the lowest common denominator. Dr. Orly Taitz did just that for the TV cameras in front of the U.S. Post Office and Federal Courthouse in Columbus, GA. Her rapidfire prepared speech for the cameras covers the subject in about five minutes.
The problem is, the "limited attention span TV network format" won't give her more than 15 seconds of a 30 second news clip... at the most. The subject suffers from complexity... a 15 second soundbite just won't communicate it.
http://shop.wnd.com/store/images/items/SP136.jpg
"Where's the Birth Certificate? - wnd.com" is a good start, but the other components of the issue need equal major exposure.
The Framers of the U.S. Constitution sought to part company with Great Britain on British Common Law as well as on the sovereignty of the Crown. They used international law in place of Common Law, incorporating the principles of de Vattel's The Law of Nations into the Constitution. This stated that a "natural born citizen" is one born in the country with no loyalty to any other sovereignty. Later, de Vattel expounded upon this definition,Quote:
The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. ...those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. ... The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children... I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.
John Jay, the first Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, advised George Washington,Quote:
Permit me to hint whether it would not be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of foreigners into the administration of our national government ; and to declare expressly that the command in chief of the American army shall not be given to, nor devolve on any but a natural born citizen.
Article II, Section 1, of the U.S. Constitution was written in such a way as to prevent any subject of the Crown from slipping into the Presidency and retaking the United States as Colonies of the Crown.Quote:
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;
The 14th Amendment says, in part,Quote:
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
Rep. John Bingham, the primary author of the 14th Amendment, wrote,[quote][size=117][I] find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that [b]â€
Question: What is the state's policy for issuing a "Certification of Live Birth" versus a "Certificate of Live Birth"? My first, second and fourth children received certificates, but my third and fifth children received certifications. Why the difference? The certificate contains more information, such as the name of hospital, certifier's name and title; attendant's name and title, etc. The certification has only the child's name, date and time of birth, sex, city/island/county of birth, mother's maiden name, mother's race, father's name and father's race. Why doesn't the state just issue certificates? When did it stop issuing certificates? Is it possible to obtain certificates for my third and fifth children?
Answer: No, you can't obtain a "certificate of live birth" anymore.
The state Department of Health no longer issues copies of paper birth certificates as was done in the past, said spokeswoman Janice Okubo.
The department only issues "certifications" of live births, and that is the "official birth certificate" issued by the state of Hawaii, she said.
And, it's only available in electronic form.
Okubo explained that the Health Department went paperless in 2001.
"At that time, all information for births from 1908 (on) was put into electronic files for consistent reporting," she said.
Information about births is transferred electronically from hospitals to the department.
"The electronic record of the birth is what (the Health Department) now keeps on file in order to provide same-day certified copies at our help window for most requests," Okubo said.
Asked for more information about the short-form versus long-form birth documents, Okubo said the Health Department "does not have a short-form or long-form certificate."
"The birth certificate form has been modified over the years and decades to conform to national standards and models," she said.
Okubo also emphasized the certification form "contains all the information needed by all federal government agencies for transactions requiring a birth certificate."
She added that the U.S. Supreme Court has recognized the state's current certification of live birth "as an official birth certificate meeting all federal and other requirements."
The issue of what constitutes an official Hawaii birth certificate received national attention during last year's presidential campaign. Those who doubted Barack Obama's American citizenship called the copy of the Hawaii birth document posted on his campaign Web site a fake.
Asked about that document, Okubo said, "This is the same certified copy everyone receives when they request a birth certificate."
We found a discussion of "the truth about Obama's birth certificate" on the Web site FactCheck.org -- www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html.
The organization describes itself as "a nonpartisan, nonprofit 'consumer advocate' for voters that aims to reduce the level of deception and confusion in U.S. politics."
It says a "certification of live birth" is, in fact, a short-form official birth certificate. Information included in the document might differ from state to state.
http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/ ... _line.html
Question: What is the state's policy for issuing a "Certification of Live Birth" versus a "Certificate of Live Birth"? My first, second and fourth children received certificates, but my third and fifth children received certifications. Why the difference? The certificate contains more information, such as the name of hospital, certifier's name and title; attendant's name and title, etc. The certification has only the child's name, date and time of birth, sex, city/island/county of birth, mother's maiden name, mother's race, father's name and father's race. Why doesn't the state just issue certificates? When did it stop issuing certificates? Is it possible to obtain certificates for my third and fifth children?
Answer: No, you can't obtain a "certificate of live birth" anymore.
The state Department of Health no longer issues copies of paper birth certificates as was done in the past, said spokeswoman Janice Okubo.
The department only issues "certifications" of live births, and that is the "official birth certificate" issued by the state of Hawaii, she said.
And, it's only available in electronic form.
Okubo explained that the Health Department went paperless in 2001.
"At that time, all information for births from 1908 (on) was put into electronic files for consistent reporting," she said.
Information about births is transferred electronically from hospitals to the department.
"The electronic record of the birth is what (the Health Department) now keeps on file in order to provide same-day certified copies at our help window for most requests," Okubo said.
Asked for more information about the short-form versus long-form birth documents, Okubo said the Health Department "does not have a short-form or long-form certificate."
"The birth certificate form has been modified over the years and decades to conform to national standards and models," she said.
Okubo also emphasized the certification form "contains all the information needed by all federal government agencies for transactions requiring a birth certificate."
She added that the U.S. Supreme Court has recognized the state's current certification of live birth "as an official birth certificate meeting all federal and other requirements."
The issue of what constitutes an official Hawaii birth certificate received national attention during last year's presidential campaign. Those who doubted Barack Obama's American citizenship called the copy of the Hawaii birth document posted on his campaign Web site a fake.
Asked about that document, Okubo said, "This is the same certified copy everyone receives when they request a birth certificate."
We found a discussion of "the truth about Obama's birth certificate" on the Web site FactCheck.org -- www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html.
The organization describes itself as "a nonpartisan, nonprofit 'consumer advocate' for voters that aims to reduce the level of deception and confusion in U.S. politics."
It says a "certification of live birth" is, in fact, a short-form official birth certificate. Information included in the document might differ from state to state.
http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/ ... _line.html
Hawaii might be a state (unless you're a native islander who thinks they got hoodwinked or coerced into becoming a state) but they sure have some odd wrinkles to their systems and laws that one doesn't find anywhere else on the Mainland and the Lower 48.
Hawaii might be a state (unless you're a native islander who thinks they got hoodwinked or coerced into becoming a state) but they sure have some odd wrinkles to their systems and laws that one doesn't find anywhere else on the Mainland and the Lower 48.
[quote="jshhmr"]
Answer: No, you can't obtain a "certificate of live birth" anymore.
The state Department of Health no longer issues copies of paper birth certificates as was done in the past, said spokeswoman Janice Okubo.
The department only issues "certifications" of live births, and that is the "official birth certificate" issued by the state of Hawaii, she said.
And, it's only available in electronic form.
Okubo explained that the Health Department went paperless in 2001.
"At that time, all information for births from 1908 (on) was put into electronic files for consistent reporting," she said.
/quote]
Here's the distinction: They might not routinely issue a certificate but rather a "certification". However, upon lawful demand by someone meeting one of their qualified categories of people (like for example the person whose birth is recorded on the certificate, or the parent of the person, or someone of shared lineage), they can and must produce the original certificATE, and that point of explanation comes straight out of Okubo's mouth as a quote in another interview some months ago.
I heard they might have changed the law that demanded only a certificate (and not a certificaTION) as being "good enough" to qualify for some of the Native land homesteading rights.
[quote="jshhmr"]
Answer: No, you can't obtain a "certificate of live birth" anymore.
The state Department of Health no longer issues copies of paper birth certificates as was done in the past, said spokeswoman Janice Okubo.
The department only issues "certifications" of live births, and that is the "official birth certificate" issued by the state of Hawaii, she said.
And, it's only available in electronic form.
Okubo explained that the Health Department went paperless in 2001.
"At that time, all information for births from 1908 (on) was put into electronic files for consistent reporting," she said.
/quote]
Here's the distinction: They might not routinely issue a certificate but rather a "certification". However, upon lawful demand by someone meeting one of their qualified categories of people (like for example the person whose birth is recorded on the certificate, or the parent of the person, or someone of shared lineage), they can and must produce the original certificATE, and that point of explanation comes straight out of Okubo's mouth as a quote in another interview some months ago.
I heard they might have changed the law that demanded only a certificate (and not a certificaTION) as being "good enough" to qualify for some of the Native land homesteading rights.
Pardon me for repeating myself for present company.
Why the Daily Kos / FightTheSmears document is a forgery
http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/ ... ficate.jpg
What makes the Daily Kos image so important? It is the original from which FactCheck, FightTheSmears, Politfact, etc., derived the images they published later. The Daily Kos image has random dust specks at specific locations, for example, below the "E" in the "CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH" heading, at (x,y) = (893,185). Those random dust specks appear at the same locations on the other images, showing that they are copies of the first Daily Kos image.
________________________
FATHER'S RACE
AFRICAN
This is an anachronism. It is out of place on a 1961 document. The term used then was "Negro", or perhaps "Colored". "African-American" was an unknown term forty or fifty years ago.
Besides, "African" is not a race; it is a native or resident of the continent of Africa. "African" includes significant populations which are Negro or colored, Caucasian or white, Mongoloid or Mongolian, Semitic (Arab or Hebrew), Aryan or Hindu, Polynesian, Hispanic, penguins, and probably anything else except Eskimo and Native American.
________________________
DATE FILED BY REGISTRAR
AUGUST 8,1961
AUGUST 8, 1961 (note the additional space) is how this date should appear, and that is how the date does appear on other Hawaiian Certifications of Live Birth. But the forger made a mistake and left out the space between the comma and "1961".
________________________
At the upper right of the form, the Certificate No. is redacted or blacked out. The warning at the bottom reads, "ANY ALTERATIONS INVALIDATE THIS CERTIFICATE". This Certification is invalid or VOID; it cannot be used for any legal purposes. (Although it does seem to have been used for illegal purposes.)
________________________
The printed security border is not like real security borders printed between 2006 and 2008. The forged copy is not one continuous border, but a patchwork of pieces, each 240 pixels long, cut-and-pasted together to simulate an authentic 2007 security border, so as to match the "JUN 6 - 2007" date stamp.
"Dr. Ron Polarik" (a pseudonym) wrote, "However, both the embossed Seal and the State Registrar’s Signature stamp do not match the same elements found on a real 2007 COLB, but perfectly match those found on a real 2008 COLB; or, in other words, something that would never happen in real life."
________________________
Genuine Certifications are horizontally centered on the paper, within 15 pixels, plus or minus. This forgery of a Certification was "printed" 75 pixels off center toward the left, more than 5 times the usual maximum variation on the genuine article.
________________________
It is Hawaii Div. of Vital Records policy to release Certifications only as laser printer hard copy. But "printed" above is in quotes because this image did not originate as a paper copy printed on a laser printer. Rather, the forger generated it, or at least manipulated it, as an image in Photoshop. Opening the image file in a text editor reveals that the image file header has the following characters of EXIF identification data:
[Software ] = Adobe Photoshop CS3 Macintosh
[DateTime ] = 2008: 06:12 08:42:36
In other words, the image was filed on a Macintosh computer using Adobe Photoshop CS3 software at 8:42 AM on 6/12/08, the date that Daily Kos published the computer image on their website. It is no longer the original scanner file scanned from an Hawaii Div. of Vital Records paper copy.
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The Daily Kos image has dimensions, 2427 x 2369. The printed security border has dimensions, 2372 x 2312. So the image is nearly square, 97½% square, to be more exact. But the printed security border is skewed on the paper, 15 pixels higher on the right side than on the left, and 3 pixels further left at the top than at the bottom. A vertical difference of 15 pixels in the right and left sides would normally indicate a paper misfeed by the printer, normally resulting in a paper jam, or at least wrinkling of the paper.
If the border were 97½% square like the image, it would be skewed 3.077 pixels higher and 3 pixels further left, 15 pixels higher and 14 5/8 pixels further left, or anywhere between, proportionately. But it isn't. The skew is 15 and 3. This printed image does not have right angled corners, not even in the computer program that supposedly generated it for Hawaii Vital Records. In the real world, programmers do not create trapezoidal official documents. This document is not the real world, folks. It is fantasy world.
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It is also Hawaii Div. of Vital Records policy to only release Certifications that are folded twice horizonally for mailing in a standard letter envelope. The Daily Kos image has a horizontal crease through the State Seal as evidence of the upper fold. There should be a horizontal crease near "MOTHER'S RACE CAUCASIAN" as evidence of a lower fold. Maybe you can find it; I couldn't. That's because it's not there, and it's not anywhere else, either. Couldn't this copy - just this one - have left Vital Records without a second fold? Not possible, says Vital Records. Every Certification is double-folded and placed in a letter envelope. Every one. Without exception.
Unless it didn't come from Vital Records.
________________________
Another Hawaii Div. of Vital Records policy is to only release Certifications with a date stamp, the Registrar's signature stamp, and the embossed seal of the State of Hawaii Department of Health, all on the reverse side. For whatever reason, Daily Kos did not provide an image of the reverse side. I shall not presume to know why they didn't; you can draw your own conclusions.
Normally, there is bleedthrough of the date stamp; the Daily Kos image has JUN - 6 2007 from the reverse side plainly visible on the front. Sometimes, but not always, there is some slight bleedthrough of the Registrar's signature stamp; there is none on the Daily Kos image, and that is OK. Often, but not always to cursory examination, the seal embossed on the reverse side is noticable on the front; not so on the Daily Kos image.
However, under sufficient magnification and with edging enhancement to bring out the embossing, an imaging professional can show up the deformations of the anti-counterfeiting green bars in the front side background, caused by the embossing on the back. This green paper is very thin by design, and any embossing on the back inevitably causes some deformation on the front. I do not see any crimping whatsoever at 3X magnification, and that is suspicious. Even with edging enhancement, those bits of a seal that can be brought out are fuzzy and look like a blurred 3rd or 4th generation copy, not crisp like an original.
FactCheck pasted an image of an embossed seal onto their images later. Those images are the latest generation of revisions of the original Daily Kos image. Since June 10, 2009, Mr. Obama's accessories have been scrubbing all earlier versions from the internet.
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The seal of the State of Hawaii at the top is not a sharp, original laser printout, either. It is a blurry, pixelated copy from another COLB.
________________________
Text is overlaid by cut-and-paste rather than printed on the anti-counterfeiting, green patterned background. The result (under magnification) is pattern mismatches, stray pixels, "haloes" of pixelization around the cut-and-pasted letters, and between letters, white space where there should be green pattern - very different from the neat printed text on genuine COLBs.
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AtlasShrugs quoted TechDude saying,
"Upon very close inspection portions of the security border also repeat every 240 pixels. By mapping this repeating pattern it becomes apparent that the pattern is laid out as a 240 x 240 pixel square that can be accurately extrapolated to the next position by simply counting 240 pixels. This type of tiling effect is commonly seen when an image has been modified by filling an area using an image editing application’s tile or pattern fill function.
. . .
"The (Daily) KOS image security border pattern does not match any known specimen from any known year. [Given the impossibility of proving non-existence, there may be border pattern specimens which TechDude has not seen.] It does not match the pre-2006 nor does it match the post-2006 certificate patterns. The placement of the text in all of the pre-2006 and post-2006 certificates are almost identical pixel location matches while the image's text placement does not match any known specimen from any known year. The shape and kerning of the fonts used in the 2006 through 2008 certificates are identical while the shape and kerning of the fonts used in the image does not match any known specimen. The KOS image shows clear signs of tampering such as the mismatch in RGB and error levels, visible indications of the previous location of the erased security border, easily detectable patterns of repeating flaws around the new security border, EXIF data that says the image was last saved with Photoshop CS3 for Macintosh, and finally a technician from Hawaii who confirms it just looks wrong." http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atla ... usive.html
Pardon me for repeating myself for present company.
Why the Daily Kos / FightTheSmears document is a forgery
http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/ ... ficate.jpg
What makes the Daily Kos image so important? It is the original from which FactCheck, FightTheSmears, Politfact, etc., derived the images they published later. The Daily Kos image has random dust specks at specific locations, for example, below the "E" in the "CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH" heading, at (x,y) = (893,185). Those random dust specks appear at the same locations on the other images, showing that they are copies of the first Daily Kos image.
________________________
FATHER'S RACE
AFRICAN
This is an anachronism. It is out of place on a 1961 document. The term used then was "Negro", or perhaps "Colored". "African-American" was an unknown term forty or fifty years ago.
Besides, "African" is not a race; it is a native or resident of the continent of Africa. "African" includes significant populations which are Negro or colored, Caucasian or white, Mongoloid or Mongolian, Semitic (Arab or Hebrew), Aryan or Hindu, Polynesian, Hispanic, penguins, and probably anything else except Eskimo and Native American.
________________________
DATE FILED BY REGISTRAR
AUGUST 8,1961
AUGUST 8, 1961 (note the additional space) is how this date should appear, and that is how the date does appear on other Hawaiian Certifications of Live Birth. But the forger made a mistake and left out the space between the comma and "1961".
________________________
At the upper right of the form, the Certificate No. is redacted or blacked out. The warning at the bottom reads, "ANY ALTERATIONS INVALIDATE THIS CERTIFICATE". This Certification is invalid or VOID; it cannot be used for any legal purposes. (Although it does seem to have been used for illegal purposes.)
________________________
The printed security border is not like real security borders printed between 2006 and 2008. The forged copy is not one continuous border, but a patchwork of pieces, each 240 pixels long, cut-and-pasted together to simulate an authentic 2007 security border, so as to match the "JUN 6 - 2007" date stamp.
"Dr. Ron Polarik" (a pseudonym) wrote, "However, both the embossed Seal and the State Registrar’s Signature stamp do not match the same elements found on a real 2007 COLB, but perfectly match those found on a real 2008 COLB; or, in other words, something that would never happen in real life."
________________________
Genuine Certifications are horizontally centered on the paper, within 15 pixels, plus or minus. This forgery of a Certification was "printed" 75 pixels off center toward the left, more than 5 times the usual maximum variation on the genuine article.
________________________
It is Hawaii Div. of Vital Records policy to release Certifications only as laser printer hard copy. But "printed" above is in quotes because this image did not originate as a paper copy printed on a laser printer. Rather, the forger generated it, or at least manipulated it, as an image in Photoshop. Opening the image file in a text editor reveals that the image file header has the following characters of EXIF identification data:
[Software ] = Adobe Photoshop CS3 Macintosh
[DateTime ] = 2008: 06:12 08:42:36
In other words, the image was filed on a Macintosh computer using Adobe Photoshop CS3 software at 8:42 AM on 6/12/08, the date that Daily Kos published the computer image on their website. It is no longer the original scanner file scanned from an Hawaii Div. of Vital Records paper copy.
________________________
The Daily Kos image has dimensions, 2427 x 2369. The printed security border has dimensions, 2372 x 2312. So the image is nearly square, 97½% square, to be more exact. But the printed security border is skewed on the paper, 15 pixels higher on the right side than on the left, and 3 pixels further left at the top than at the bottom. A vertical difference of 15 pixels in the right and left sides would normally indicate a paper misfeed by the printer, normally resulting in a paper jam, or at least wrinkling of the paper.
If the border were 97½% square like the image, it would be skewed 3.077 pixels higher and 3 pixels further left, 15 pixels higher and 14 5/8 pixels further left, or anywhere between, proportionately. But it isn't. The skew is 15 and 3. This printed image does not have right angled corners, not even in the computer program that supposedly generated it for Hawaii Vital Records. In the real world, programmers do not create trapezoidal official documents. This document is not the real world, folks. It is fantasy world.
________________________
It is also Hawaii Div. of Vital Records policy to only release Certifications that are folded twice horizonally for mailing in a standard letter envelope. The Daily Kos image has a horizontal crease through the State Seal as evidence of the upper fold. There should be a horizontal crease near "MOTHER'S RACE CAUCASIAN" as evidence of a lower fold. Maybe you can find it; I couldn't. That's because it's not there, and it's not anywhere else, either. Couldn't this copy - just this one - have left Vital Records without a second fold? Not possible, says Vital Records. Every Certification is double-folded and placed in a letter envelope. Every one. Without exception.
Unless it didn't come from Vital Records.
________________________
Another Hawaii Div. of Vital Records policy is to only release Certifications with a date stamp, the Registrar's signature stamp, and the embossed seal of the State of Hawaii Department of Health, all on the reverse side. For whatever reason, Daily Kos did not provide an image of the reverse side. I shall not presume to know why they didn't; you can draw your own conclusions.
Normally, there is bleedthrough of the date stamp; the Daily Kos image has JUN - 6 2007 from the reverse side plainly visible on the front. Sometimes, but not always, there is some slight bleedthrough of the Registrar's signature stamp; there is none on the Daily Kos image, and that is OK. Often, but not always to cursory examination, the seal embossed on the reverse side is noticable on the front; not so on the Daily Kos image.
However, under sufficient magnification and with edging enhancement to bring out the embossing, an imaging professional can show up the deformations of the anti-counterfeiting green bars in the front side background, caused by the embossing on the back. This green paper is very thin by design, and any embossing on the back inevitably causes some deformation on the front. I do not see any crimping whatsoever at 3X magnification, and that is suspicious. Even with edging enhancement, those bits of a seal that can be brought out are fuzzy and look like a blurred 3rd or 4th generation copy, not crisp like an original.
FactCheck pasted an image of an embossed seal onto their images later. Those images are the latest generation of revisions of the original Daily Kos image. Since June 10, 2009, Mr. Obama's accessories have been scrubbing all earlier versions from the internet.
________________________
The seal of the State of Hawaii at the top is not a sharp, original laser printout, either. It is a blurry, pixelated copy from another COLB.
________________________
Text is overlaid by cut-and-paste rather than printed on the anti-counterfeiting, green patterned background. The result (under magnification) is pattern mismatches, stray pixels, "haloes" of pixelization around the cut-and-pasted letters, and between letters, white space where there should be green pattern - very different from the neat printed text on genuine COLBs.
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AtlasShrugs quoted TechDude saying,
"Upon very close inspection portions of the security border also repeat every 240 pixels. By mapping this repeating pattern it becomes apparent that the pattern is laid out as a 240 x 240 pixel square that can be accurately extrapolated to the next position by simply counting 240 pixels. This type of tiling effect is commonly seen when an image has been modified by filling an area using an image editing application’s tile or pattern fill function.
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"The (Daily) KOS image security border pattern does not match any known specimen from any known year. [Given the impossibility of proving non-existence, there may be border pattern specimens which TechDude has not seen.] It does not match the pre-2006 nor does it match the post-2006 certificate patterns. The placement of the text in all of the pre-2006 and post-2006 certificates are almost identical pixel location matches while the image's text placement does not match any known specimen from any known year. The shape and kerning of the fonts used in the 2006 through 2008 certificates are identical while the shape and kerning of the fonts used in the image does not match any known specimen. The KOS image shows clear signs of tampering such as the mismatch in RGB and error levels, visible indications of the previous location of the erased security border, easily detectable patterns of repeating flaws around the new security border, EXIF data that says the image was last saved with Photoshop CS3 for Macintosh, and finally a technician from Hawaii who confirms it just looks wrong." http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atla ... usive.html
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Originally Posted by FreedomFirst
What qualifies a birth document is the embossed seal of the State of Hawaii Department of Health and the signature stamp of the State Registrar of Vital Records. Hawaii no longer distinguishes between a Certificate and a Certification for the purpose of Hawaiian Lands verification. The U.S. Passport Office made the distinction, accepting a Certificate but not a Certification, but it may have changed that policy when the state of Hawaii did.
The argument is moot in any case, because the Certification image presented by DailyKos and the Certification photographs presented by FactCheck represent a forgery. To debate the difference between types of documents which are forged is pointless in the extreme.
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Originally Posted by FreedomFirst
What qualifies a birth document is the embossed seal of the State of Hawaii Department of Health and the signature stamp of the State Registrar of Vital Records. Hawaii no longer distinguishes between a Certificate and a Certification for the purpose of Hawaiian Lands verification. The U.S. Passport Office made the distinction, accepting a Certificate but not a Certification, but it may have changed that policy when the state of Hawaii did.
The argument is moot in any case, because the Certification image presented by DailyKos and the Certification photographs presented by FactCheck represent a forgery. To debate the difference between types of documents which are forged is pointless in the extreme.
How do you KNOW they are forged? I could SAY that your certificate is forged, but I don't have a point because I have no proof. I took my little girl to Six Flags the other day, and she rode the double-loop coaster Shock Wave (she's 6). I have pictures to prove it, but that alone apparently wouldn't be good enough. There will NEVER be enough evidence for you guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by MinutemanCDC_SC
How do you KNOW they are forged? I could SAY that your certificate is forged, but I don't have a point because I have no proof. I took my little girl to Six Flags the other day, and she rode the double-loop coaster Shock Wave (she's 6). I have pictures to prove it, but that alone apparently wouldn't be good enough. There will NEVER be enough evidence for you guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by MinutemanCDC_SC
Why does it bother you so much? I KNOW that their is a lot of BS on BOTH sides of this but It doesn't bother me that much, I just want to know WHY Obama can get away with Hiding his entire life from the public who voted him in? And If he IS A FRAUD wouldn't you be glad that people like us exposed that and helped save our constituntion, and country from a traitor. I would put more weight in what hasn't been proved than what has that will show that Obama is Lying. Any way you look at it the ball is rolling and probably will be settled in Obama's favor to shut everyone up but until then we just all have to be open to the fact that you can't trust any doc from Obama or from the opposition until a definitive ruling and release of all of Obama's records. I can't say what is real or what is fake, but I can tell you that we should have the right to know especially when Obama can send people to their deaths.Quote:
Originally Posted by jshhmr
Why does it bother you so much? I KNOW that their is a lot of BS on BOTH sides of this but It doesn't bother me that much, I just want to know WHY Obama can get away with Hiding his entire life from the public who voted him in? And If he IS A FRAUD wouldn't you be glad that people like us exposed that and helped save our constituntion, and country from a traitor. I would put more weight in what hasn't been proved than what has that will show that Obama is Lying. Any way you look at it the ball is rolling and probably will be settled in Obama's favor to shut everyone up but until then we just all have to be open to the fact that you can't trust any doc from Obama or from the opposition until a definitive ruling and release of all of Obama's records. I can't say what is real or what is fake, but I can tell you that we should have the right to know especially when Obama can send people to their deaths.Quote:
Originally Posted by jshhmr
Congress, the Courts and the Joint Chiefs do
Do YOU Fear Obama?
JB Williams Bio
Email Article
By JB Williams Friday, July 17, 2009
Since the most powerful people in America fear the wrath of Obamanation, maybe you should too! They are indeed a dangerous bunch, after all…
Every member of the Supreme Court, every member of congress, every member of the Joint Chiefs, most members of the DOD, CIA, FBI, Secret Service and state run media, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, PBS, NPR, MSNBC, Fox and print news, knows that Barack Hussein Obama does NOT meet Article II – Section I constitutional requirements for the office he holds. By his own biography, there is NO way he can pass the test. The hard evidence is so far beyond overwhelming, it is ridiculous.
But not ONE member of America’s most powerful people will dare confront Obama and his anti-American cabal on the subject. The Constitution does NOT stand. Do you think there is no reason for this?
The Basic Facts
Barack Hussein Obama is foreign born, period (Kenya)
Regardless of his birth place, his parents had foreign loyalties (strike 2)
He has foreign loyalties, demonstrated in every policy decision (strike 3)
He’s not Christian, but Muslim
He’s not “black,â€
Congress, the Courts and the Joint Chiefs do
Do YOU Fear Obama?
JB Williams Bio
Email Article
By JB Williams Friday, July 17, 2009
Since the most powerful people in America fear the wrath of Obamanation, maybe you should too! They are indeed a dangerous bunch, after all…
Every member of the Supreme Court, every member of congress, every member of the Joint Chiefs, most members of the DOD, CIA, FBI, Secret Service and state run media, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, PBS, NPR, MSNBC, Fox and print news, knows that Barack Hussein Obama does NOT meet Article II – Section I constitutional requirements for the office he holds. By his own biography, there is NO way he can pass the test. The hard evidence is so far beyond overwhelming, it is ridiculous.
But not ONE member of America’s most powerful people will dare confront Obama and his anti-American cabal on the subject. The Constitution does NOT stand. Do you think there is no reason for this?
The Basic Facts
Barack Hussein Obama is foreign born, period (Kenya)
Regardless of his birth place, his parents had foreign loyalties (strike 2)
He has foreign loyalties, demonstrated in every policy decision (strike 3)
He’s not Christian, but Muslim
He’s not “black,â€
What bothers me is I would love nothing more than to invite my friends and family to join Alipac, because they are against illegal immigrants, but once they find out that Obama's birth certificate is more of an issue than illegal immigration, they will automatically dismiss Alipac as another right-wing website that refuses to accept the fact that Obama is our president. That is automatically a loss in possible donations to the site to combat the purpose of this site, which is illegal immigration. I can't stand Obama and his policies, and would like nothing more than to see him gone before he completely destroys this country, but I know the certificate issue won't be the thing to do it. It is a waste of time because it has already been proved that he is a citizen. But again, what was given isn't good enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by 93camaro
We are celebrating the 40 year anniversary of the moon landing. These guys are truly heroes. We have movies and pictures that prove they went to the moon, yet there are still people out there that think it was all faked in a movie studio. So, if you can believe we really went to the moon only based on pics and film, what is the difference here? Is it because the guy you voted for didn't win? My guy didn't win, but I'm not going to follow a dead end just because I dislike Obama.
What bothers me is I would love nothing more than to invite my friends and family to join Alipac, because they are against illegal immigrants, but once they find out that Obama's birth certificate is more of an issue than illegal immigration, they will automatically dismiss Alipac as another right-wing website that refuses to accept the fact that Obama is our president. That is automatically a loss in possible donations to the site to combat the purpose of this site, which is illegal immigration. I can't stand Obama and his policies, and would like nothing more than to see him gone before he completely destroys this country, but I know the certificate issue won't be the thing to do it. It is a waste of time because it has already been proved that he is a citizen. But again, what was given isn't good enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by 93camaro
We are celebrating the 40 year anniversary of the moon landing. These guys are truly heroes. We have movies and pictures that prove they went to the moon, yet there are still people out there that think it was all faked in a movie studio. So, if you can believe we really went to the moon only based on pics and film, what is the difference here? Is it because the guy you voted for didn't win? My guy didn't win, but I'm not going to follow a dead end just because I dislike Obama.
OK, if we were to rename this topic to 'Natural Born Citizen' and address the topic of whether or not Obama is, in fact, a natural born citizen (regardless of whether or not a valid birth certificate is involved in the proof), would that change your opinion of Alipac?Quote:
Originally Posted by jshhmr
To my knowledge, no one has yet publicly proven that Obama is even a U.S. citizen - of any type, including a 'natural born citizen,' and if you have verifiable proof of his U.S. citizenship, I'd be interested in seeing it.
OK, if we were to rename this topic to 'Natural Born Citizen' and address the topic of whether or not Obama is, in fact, a natural born citizen (regardless of whether or not a valid birth certificate is involved in the proof), would that change your opinion of Alipac?Quote:
Originally Posted by jshhmr
To my knowledge, no one has yet publicly proven that Obama is even a U.S. citizen - of any type, including a 'natural born citizen,' and if you have verifiable proof of his U.S. citizenship, I'd be interested in seeing it.
93camaro, these are powerful words. Let's all pray that we have a peaceful resolution to our constitutional crisis. In the end, true Patriots will stand ready to defend their country and the constitution.
[quote="93camaro"]Congress, the Courts and the Joint Chiefs do
Do YOU Fear Obama?
JB Williams Bio
Email Article
By JB Williams Friday, July 17, 2009
Since the most powerful people in America fear the wrath of Obamanation, maybe you should too! They are indeed a dangerous bunch, after all…
Every member of the Supreme Court, every member of congress, every member of the Joint Chiefs, most members of the DOD, CIA, FBI, Secret Service and state run media, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, PBS, NPR, MSNBC, Fox and print news, knows that Barack Hussein Obama does NOT meet Article II – Section I constitutional requirements for the office he holds. By his own biography, there is NO way he can pass the test. The hard evidence is so far beyond overwhelming, it is ridiculous.
But not ONE member of America’s most powerful people will dare confront Obama and his anti-American cabal on the subject. The Constitution does NOT stand. Do you think there is no reason for this?
The Basic Facts
Barack Hussein Obama is foreign born, period (Kenya)
Regardless of his birth place, his parents had foreign loyalties (strike 2)
He has foreign loyalties, demonstrated in every policy decision (strike 3)
He’s not Christian, but Muslim
He’s not “black,â€
93camaro, these are powerful words. Let's all pray that we have a peaceful resolution to our constitutional crisis. In the end, true Patriots will stand ready to defend their country and the constitution.
[quote="93camaro"]Congress, the Courts and the Joint Chiefs do
Do YOU Fear Obama?
JB Williams Bio
Email Article
By JB Williams Friday, July 17, 2009
Since the most powerful people in America fear the wrath of Obamanation, maybe you should too! They are indeed a dangerous bunch, after all…
Every member of the Supreme Court, every member of congress, every member of the Joint Chiefs, most members of the DOD, CIA, FBI, Secret Service and state run media, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, PBS, NPR, MSNBC, Fox and print news, knows that Barack Hussein Obama does NOT meet Article II – Section I constitutional requirements for the office he holds. By his own biography, there is NO way he can pass the test. The hard evidence is so far beyond overwhelming, it is ridiculous.
But not ONE member of America’s most powerful people will dare confront Obama and his anti-American cabal on the subject. The Constitution does NOT stand. Do you think there is no reason for this?
The Basic Facts
Barack Hussein Obama is foreign born, period (Kenya)
Regardless of his birth place, his parents had foreign loyalties (strike 2)
He has foreign loyalties, demonstrated in every policy decision (strike 3)
He’s not Christian, but Muslim
He’s not “black,â€
Who is JB Williams? Here is my gut reaction to some of the things he said:
Barack Hussein Obama is foreign born, period (Kenya) If the birth announcement is not faked, and Hawaii backs him up, how can JB say this for sure?
Regardless of his birth place, his parents had foreign loyalties (strike 2) This would make no difference to Obama's claim of citizenship or eligibility for the Presidency (or anything else)
He has foreign loyalties, demonstrated in every policy decision (strike 3) This is opinion and interpretation. Yes, he's more liberal than the previous administration. We knew that.
He’s not Christian, but Muslim This is more nuanced. His father was a Muslim, and he was exposed to Islam in his youth. However, in adulthood, he professed Christianity. Muslims would insist being born to a Muslim father means that Islam has a claim on you and that would make him a heretic. Christians would disagree.
[i]He’s not “black,â€
Who is JB Williams? Here is my gut reaction to some of the things he said:
Barack Hussein Obama is foreign born, period (Kenya) If the birth announcement is not faked, and Hawaii backs him up, how can JB say this for sure?
Regardless of his birth place, his parents had foreign loyalties (strike 2) This would make no difference to Obama's claim of citizenship or eligibility for the Presidency (or anything else)
He has foreign loyalties, demonstrated in every policy decision (strike 3) This is opinion and interpretation. Yes, he's more liberal than the previous administration. We knew that.
He’s not Christian, but Muslim This is more nuanced. His father was a Muslim, and he was exposed to Islam in his youth. However, in adulthood, he professed Christianity. Muslims would insist being born to a Muslim father means that Islam has a claim on you and that would make him a heretic. Christians would disagree.
[i]He’s not “black,â€
Betsy, I try to remain objective on this whole issue but let me reply to your comments as below:
Barack Hussein Obama is foreign born, period (Kenya) If the birth announcement is not faked, and Hawaii backs him up, how can JB say this for sure?
>> It all depends on who you trust more, the MSM, the government or individual Americans investigating the issue. Evidence, in my opinion, is very strong that Obama was foreign born. How can I say this? I trust my own common sense and individual Americans investigative results more than the MSM and government.
Regardless of his birth place, his parents had foreign loyalties (strike 2) This would make no difference to Obama's claim of citizenship or eligibility for the Presidency (or anything else)
>> If Obama's father was a British subject, it disqualifies Obama from assuming the office of president as he would not meet the requirement of American citizen parent(s).
He has foreign loyalties, demonstrated in every policy decision (strike 3) This is opinion and interpretation. Yes, he's more liberal than the previous administration. We knew that.
>> Yes, this is opinion, but a fair minded person would have to conclude that his policies are radical in every sense and he has certainly taken a very submissive posture when meeting with and addressing enemies and protagonists of this country.
He’s not Christian, but Muslim This is more nuanced. His father was a Muslim, and he was exposed to Islam in his youth. However, in adulthood, he professed Christianity. Muslims would insist being born to a Muslim father means that Islam has a claim on you and that would make him a heretic. Christians would disagree.
>> I would simply say that it was a political convenience for him to profess his Christianity. The facts of his Islamic upbringing are well documented. In the very least this likely has a considerable influence on his decisions.
He’s not “black,â€
Betsy, I try to remain objective on this whole issue but let me reply to your comments as below:
Barack Hussein Obama is foreign born, period (Kenya) If the birth announcement is not faked, and Hawaii backs him up, how can JB say this for sure?
>> It all depends on who you trust more, the MSM, the government or individual Americans investigating the issue. Evidence, in my opinion, is very strong that Obama was foreign born. How can I say this? I trust my own common sense and individual Americans investigative results more than the MSM and government.
Regardless of his birth place, his parents had foreign loyalties (strike 2) This would make no difference to Obama's claim of citizenship or eligibility for the Presidency (or anything else)
>> If Obama's father was a British subject, it disqualifies Obama from assuming the office of president as he would not meet the requirement of American citizen parent(s).
He has foreign loyalties, demonstrated in every policy decision (strike 3) This is opinion and interpretation. Yes, he's more liberal than the previous administration. We knew that.
>> Yes, this is opinion, but a fair minded person would have to conclude that his policies are radical in every sense and he has certainly taken a very submissive posture when meeting with and addressing enemies and protagonists of this country.
He’s not Christian, but Muslim This is more nuanced. His father was a Muslim, and he was exposed to Islam in his youth. However, in adulthood, he professed Christianity. Muslims would insist being born to a Muslim father means that Islam has a claim on you and that would make him a heretic. Christians would disagree.
>> I would simply say that it was a political convenience for him to profess his Christianity. The facts of his Islamic upbringing are well documented. In the very least this likely has a considerable influence on his decisions.
He’s not “black,â€
TexasBorn,
Thanks for your unofficial opinion. It seemed both resonable and based well within the realm of unbiased common sense.
I too believe we need to see the documentation, college records included.
I would also like to say Thanks to all of the posters on this thread. I have enjoyed and learned from all of the various posts.
TexasBorn,
Thanks for your unofficial opinion. It seemed both resonable and based well within the realm of unbiased common sense.
I too believe we need to see the documentation, college records included.
I would also like to say Thanks to all of the posters on this thread. I have enjoyed and learned from all of the various posts.
Roundabout, I fear that we will never be able to "officially" see any of these records that have been so well protected. If we are fortunate, some brave individual(s) may bring them to light someday for all to see. In my opinion, the pending lawsuits are our best chance to at least get a peak at the truth that so far has eluded us. It is a sad state when Americans are treated with such disdain by our elected officials.
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Originally Posted by roundabout
Roundabout, I fear that we will never be able to "officially" see any of these records that have been so well protected. If we are fortunate, some brave individual(s) may bring them to light someday for all to see. In my opinion, the pending lawsuits are our best chance to at least get a peak at the truth that so far has eluded us. It is a sad state when Americans are treated with such disdain by our elected officials.
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Originally Posted by roundabout