Thread: Barack Obama's citizenship questioned

Originally Posted by FreedomFirst

The retired Navy officer hasn't really filed a "complaint" in a criminal matter; he's gone to the U.S. Attorney and acted in the capacity of a "complaining witness" to request the U.S. Attorney to pursue a criminal case against Obama. But, the U.S. Attorney probably won't do any such thing because he doesn't have sufficient proofs to show what Obama's status really is; he needs the birth certificate and Obama won't release it.

I fret about the weight ascribed to that one piece of paper. Dr. Orly Taitz submitted a 164-page brief with more evidence than a dozen smoking guns. But if the birth certificate on file at the Hawaii Dept. of Health, Div. of Vital Records should look legit, the rest of the evidence might be disregarded and swept under the rug.

Obama's top terrorism and intelligence adviser, John O. Brennan, heads a firm [The Analysis Corp.] that was cited in March [of 2008] for breaching sensitive files in the State Department's passport office... one knowledgeable source told Newsmax, "But this was basically an attempt to cauterize the Obama file."

Does anyone imagine that the Democrats, the Chicago mob, the Nation of Is|am, and the Obama Campaign, with three law firms, can't produce among them a Honolulu counterpart to the Watergate plumbers, if they haven't already?

Originally Posted by MinutemanCDC_SC

Does anyone imagine that the Democrats, the Chicago mob, the Nation of Is|am, and the Obama Campaign, with three law firms, can't produce among them a Honolulu counterpart to the Watergate plumbers, if they haven't already?[/size]

Others may disagree with me, but it appears to me that we are already a communist state where lawful government is a thing of the past and where the ruling party reconstructs history to suit its own ends.

Soon we will see people disappear from group photographs as was done in Russia and the Soviet Union. And more of our history will be changed.

We have been divided and we have been conquered. We are no longer a lawful republic.

Originally Posted by MinutemanCDC_SC

Whether Judge King acted rightly or wrongly, correctly or incorrectly, knowingly or in ignorance of the prior marriage to Kezia, his decision stands until overturned. To my knowledge, the Obama law firms are not contesting the Obama-Dunham marriage, an action which would be a PR disaster... not that that would stop them.

FreedomFirst, are you preparing a legal brief to nullify that marriage?

Heck no, because if the marriage were to "stand" then the conferral of the U.K. citizenship would be locked down and confirmed by the existence of a marriage (reaffirmed by a court in the here and now). That, in turn, would put Obama outside the ambit of Article II and the nbc clause. He'd be ineligible if they applied the researched history (from 1787) and the properly applicable caselaw correctly (Perkins v. Elg).

But I'd bet my last dime that the Obama lawyers have a legal brief up their sleeve to request that a court nullify the marriage as either "bigamous" or non-existent due to lack of any marriage license (if a Maui clerk comes forward to make that claim in an affidavit). And the clue to that being the case -- that Obama would admit to status as a "bastard child" if that's what it takes to save his Presidency even if it makes him take a Public Relations "hit" -- is the quote from Michelle Obama herself back in July '08 which was reported by MS-NBC -- remember? The line about how Obama's mother was very alone and "very single" at the time of Obama's birth ...

People need to take that comment very seriously, as coming from a woman who went to law school and probably knows all that there is to know. In a way, it's Obama's way of making an "admission through a proxy" to the marital status of his mother when he was born. He already called his parents' marriage a "murky" area, that he was afraid to probe, in his own book.

My efforts have been directed at playing "Devil's Advocate" to what might sink a case challenging eligibility that, otherwise, would have a high probability of being granted standing because of who the plaintiffs would be and the grounds of "unique injury" they would be able to assert.

Originally Posted by HighlanderJuan

Originally Posted by MinutemanCDC_SC

Does anyone imagine that the Democrats, the Chicago mob, the Nation of Is|am, and the Obama Campaign, with three law firms, can't produce among them a Honolulu counterpart to the Watergate plumbers, if they haven't already?[/size]

Others may disagree with me, but it appears to me that we are already a communist state where lawful government is a thing of the past and where the ruling party reconstructs history to suit its own ends.

Soon we will see people disappear from group photographs as was done in Russia and the Soviet Union. And more of our history will be changed.

We have been divided and we have been conquered. We are no longer a lawful republic.

As the states start stepping forward, maybe there'll be a light at the end of the tunnel. Here's something that just recently passed, and another item that is likely to be advanced as legislation.

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=5057
[quote]
Sovereignty Resolution Passes House, 51-17; Concerned Citizen Petitions State AG’s Office on Eligibility Bill
Thu, Mar 26, 2009

[size=150]Via Right-Mind, the Idaho State House passed HJM4 (status page), sponsored by State Rep. Dick Harwood:

HJM 4, a non-binding memorial sponsored by Rep. Dick Harwood, R-St. Maries, to declare Idaho’s sovereignty from the federal government and ask the feds to “cease and desistâ€

FreedomFirst,

Thanks. I'm waiting for one of the thirty odd states to actually have a sovereignty bill signed into law. When one state does become sovereign, in this era of statism, I will feel much better. Right now, I really like the success being observed in Oklahoma.

Additionally, I also am quite interested in the "Enumerated Powers Act" (HR450) being submitted in Congress by Arizona Representative John Shadegg which requires that:

"Each Act of Congress shall contain a concise and definite statement of the constitutional authority relied upon for the enactment of each portion of that Act."

Everything counts, so in the long term there may be reason for optimism, but right now, we're practicing communists.

But, something needs to happen to break this socialist stronghold on our country, and I'm hoping that it isn't another physical revolution.

We clearly know how to do the right thing - we're just not doing it.

IMHO.

BTW, don't you get any sleep?

Highlander,

I was beginning to wonder about the sleep habits of a lot of people lately. It seems I am getting emails 24-7. I guess this is a sign of America waking up, those of us who have, can't sleep.

What do you need to know to work for the Pakistani Government?

According the April 10, 2008 New York Times, the Obama campaign staff stated: 'Mr. Obama visited Pakistan in 1981, on the way back from Indonesia, where his mother and half-sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng, were living. He spent 'about three weeks' there, Mr. Obama’s press secretary, Bill Burton, said, staying in Karachi with the family of a college friend, Mohammed Hasan Chandoo, but also traveling to Hyderabad, in India.' That information is significant for two reasons. First and foremost is the fact that Mohammed Hasan Chandoo is a radical Muslim who with his relatives operate a website that is anti-Semitic and anti-American and supports radical Islamic politics.

Many young fundamentalist Muslim 'scholars' have traveled to Hyderabad to witness what they believed was stolen from Islam by India's Hindu majority. Karachi is favored by young radical Muslims because Pakistan was the first former British colony that abandoned English common law for Islamic law following the coup d'etat of General Mohammed Zia who overthrew the democratically elected government of Ali Bhutto in the late 1970s. Barack Obama admitted that he traveled to Karachi while under military rule of madman and dictator General Zia.

A few posters here at Defendourfreedoms.us found a Pakistani forum where an Assistant Director of the Emigration & Overseas Employment for Pakistan's Test & Scrutiny Wing of the Federal Public Service Commission posts. He posts information to help students that want to apply to work for the Pakistani Federal goverment study and pass their tests.




http://www.fpsc.gov.pk/icms/admin/news/ ... 008-PS.pdf


One forum thread Mr. Safdar Mehmood contributed to the forum was the lists of world leaders. On this list for the United States is: "President of USA (44th) Barrack Hussain Obama of Democratic Party* (Kenyan born) (Since 20th Jan 2009)". Who would know Obama's origins better than Pakistan? His mother lived and worked there. Obama was able to enter and spend 3 weeks there during a period of Martial Law. And, in order to work for the government of Pakistan, one's general knowledge must now include the understanding that the United States is ruled by a Kenyan born, Constitutionally invalid occupant.

Make no mistake that Pakistan would be confused by what our Constitutional Laws are. Their citizens have to have a thorough understanding of every countries laws, in particular, the world leaders. The PDFs loaded on the Federal Public Service Commission website include thorough overviews of Constitutional Law, International Relations, History of all the world leader countries including the U.S. and more.


oops edited to add link

http://defendourfreedoms.us/

Originally Posted by cayla99

'Mr. Obama visited Pakistan in 1981, on the way back from Indonesia, where his mother and half-sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng, were living. He spent 'about three weeks' there, Mr. Obama’s press secretary, Bill Burton, said, staying in Karachi with the family of a college friend, Mohammed Hasan Chandoo, but also traveling to Hyderabad, in India.' That information is significant for two reasons. First and foremost is the fact that Mohammed Hasan Chandoo is a radical Muslim who with his relatives operate a website that is anti-Semitic and anti-American and supports radical Islamic politics.

Please do not make the same mistake that I made several months ago. I posted the following:

Originally Posted by MinutemanCDC_SC

You can write Mohammed Hasan Chandoo at

hasan@chandoo.com

and ask him what nationality passport Barack Obama or Barry Soetoro was using when they went to Pakistan together in 1981.

I'm not sure what kind of response you will get, though.
If I were you, I wouldn't include my home address.

Then I sent him an email, which was not answered.

Stupidly, I emailed it without anonymizing it or using a proxy or an anonymous telnet server. So now Mr. Obama's Mus|im partners have my IP address, which was in the header of my email. This is not a good thing. I don't lie awake in fear of the shotgun blast through the window. But I would feel more secure if I had played it safe (and smart).

In order that you do not pull the same senseless stunt that I did, here are instructions on spoofing, or
"How to Avoid Telling the Mob and Your Local J|hadis Who You Are and Where You Live."

DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT use the following to tell Mr. Obama what you really think of him. I anticipate that there will be ample opportunity to do that after his election is nullified and he is removed from office.
_________________________________________

How to Send Untraceable Emails to (Almost) Anyone

Instructions:

You may want to use MS Notepad to compose your message first, then paste your finished copy into your telnet session later.

1) Click on Start and Run and type
cmd
and press enter, to open an MS-DOS Command Prompt box.

2) When the black box pops up, type
nslookup
and press enter.

3) If typed correctly, you will get an ">" arrow as a response.
If you have the ">" arrow, type
set type=mx
and press enter.

4) Now another ">" will come up. Type the name of the addressee's mail domain (hotmail.com, gmail.com, yahoo.com, etc.).

5) You should now see a list of nameservers, MX servers, and internet addresses. You want the preferred MX servers (the very top ones). By hand, write the name of the one(s) with the highest MX preference, then type
exit
and press enter.

6)Now, click on Start and Run again, only this time instead of cmd, type
telnet [mail server] 25
where telnet is the command, the mail server is the MX server with the highest preference, and 25 is the port number for pop3 email.

For example,
telnet gsmtp183.google.com 25
where gsmtp183.google.com is a mail server for gmail.com.

7) If all is well, you should get a response of 220 , meaning a greeting on a connection. To make sure you are connected, type "ehlo" or "helo". If you get a response of 250 on either one, you're set.

8 ) now, type
mail from:
and the spoofed email address you will send "from".

For example,
mail from: <testingtest@test.com>

9) You should get a response of 250 . Type
rcpt to: <addressee's email address>

For example,
rcpt to: <johndoe@gmail.com>

10) Once you get a response of 250 , you should now start the data. Type
data
and press enter. You should get a response of 354 .

11) First off, you have to start with the headers. Type
To: [addressee's email nickname] [addressee's email]
and press enter. Then type
From: [your fake name] [your spoofed email address]
and press enter. Type
Reply-To: [your spoofed email address]
and press enter.
These headers are the minimum and are required.

12) To start writing your message, press enter twice to skip a line. Type whatever message you want, and BE CAREFUL NOT TO MAKE MISTAKES. Your "message" will become just a "mess" if you backspace. SO, DO NOT BACKSPACE.

13) To show that your message has ended, press enter, type
.
(that is, a period), and press enter again. You should get a response of 250 .
To close your connection, type
quit
and press enter.

Notice:

If you type the telnet command, and the response is just, "Connecting",
you may have to forward port 25!

Otherwise, repeat steps 2 through 5 to get a different MX Server.

Please don't tell O-bots how to spoof. They are born with such knowledge (and more) as instinct.

Originally Posted by FreedomFirst

But I'd bet my last dime that the Obama lawyers have a legal brief up their sleeve to request that a court nullify the marriage as either "bigamous" or non-existent due to lack of any marriage license (if a Maui clerk comes forward to make that claim in an affidavit).

Obviously, for every exigency, the 3 law firms have contrived a scheme.

But to what extent is a marriage annulment retroactive? Nullifying a marriage retroactively may mean unscrambling some sensitive eggs that really can't be unscrambled. It may be that in the particular case of a marriage, an annulment may be effective only after the decree. I don't know; help me here.

Generally speaking, non-exixtence cannot be proven, so I doubt a Maui clerk or any clerk can make that claim. A clerk can only testify to his lack of knowledge of an Obama-Dunham marriage license... which would be par for the course so far, just like almost all the rest of the relevant documents.

An annulment is merely a pronouncement of that which always was: no valid marriage.

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurren ... 0-0021.htm

§580-21 Grounds for annulment. The family court, by a decree of nullity, may declare void the marriage contract for any of the following causes, existing at the time of the marriage:

(1) That the parties stood in relation to each other of ancestor and descendant of any degree whatsoever, brother and sister of the half as well as the whole blood, uncle and niece, aunt and nephew, whether the relationship is the result of the issue of parents married or not married to each other;

(2) That the parties, or either of them, had not attained the legal age of marriage;

(3) That the husband had an undivorced wife living, or the wife had an undivorced husband living;

(4) That one of the parties lacked the mental capacity to consent to the marriage;

(5) That consent to the marriage of the party applying for annulment was obtained by force, duress, or fraud, and there has been no subsequent cohabitation; and

(6) That one of the parties was a sufferer of or afflicted with any loathsome disease and the fact was concealed from, and unknown to, the party applying for annulment. [CC 1859, §1313; am imp L 1866, p 3; rep L 1870, c 10; ree L 1876, c 48; am imp L 1870, c 24, §1; rep L 1872, c 23, §2; am imp L 1872, c 23, §1; am L 1903, c 22, §1; RL 1925, §2955; RL 1935, §4450; am L 1935, c 184, §1; RL 1945, §12201; am L 1949, c 53, §29; RL 1955, §324-1; am L 1957, c 72, §1; am imp L 1965, c 232, §1; HRS §580-21; am L 1980, c 43, §1; am L 1984, c 119, §2; am L 1997, c 52, §8]

Attorney General Opinions
Uncle and niece by adoption not disqualified to intermarry. Att. Gen. Op. 62-49.

Now, here's where things get interesting. WHO can apply for an annulment? Which goes to a question of WHEN, as well.

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurren ... 0-0023.htm

§580-23 Former husband or wife living. A marriage may be declared null on the ground that one of the parties has an undivorced husband or wife living, on the application of either of the parties during the lifetime of the other, or on the application of the former husband or wife. [CC 1859, §1315; RL 1925, §2957; RL 1935, §4452; RL 1945, §12203; RL 1955, §324-3; HRS §580-23]

Now, here is a possible reason WHY the avenue of a divorce was pursued and not the avenue of an annulment, even back in 1964, and assuming that this statute existed back then, or one that was comparable to it.

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurren ... 0-0029.htm

§580-29 No annulment solely on confessions. No sentence of nullity of marriage shall be pronounced solely on the declarations or confessions of the parties. The court shall, in all cases, require other satisfactory evidence of the facts on which the allegation of nullity is founded. [CC 1859, §1322; am L 1903, c 22, §2; RL 1925, §2964; RL 1935, §4459; RL 1945, §12209; RL 1955, §324-9; HRS §580-29; am L 1973, c 211, §5(n)]

Since there are a stream of citations to statutes dating back to the time before statehood for this proposition, it's possible that the RL 1955 Sections 324-9 had the same kind of requirements which later, after statehood, became a part of the Hawaii Revised Statutes (HRS) and then had some further amendments in 1973 (later-in-time, whatever they were, than the relevant birth of '61 and divorce of '64). But, if only "other evidence" was going to be enough, and not just admissions from the parties themselves, how do you go about getting that since proof of non-existence, as you noted, consists of a vacuum of information and not something tangible?

If they made up the story about an elopement to Maui, only the "parties" to the pretend marriage would be able to "confess" to that -- although I suppose it would also have been possible to get an Affidavit from a Records Clerk in Maui. But since there was a CHILD involved, the court might have wanted to see what was put on the B.C. and then there's always that problematic matter of the Birth Announcement calling them Mr. and Mrs. in two different Hawaii newspapers. So even the Maui guy's affidavit wouldn't be enough because who's to say that some OTHER JURISDICTION might not have a marriage license on file?

I'm just trying to think LOGICALLY about why a cash-strapped foreign student would go buying plane tickets for an island-hopper over to Maui when common sense says they'd just head over to the LOCAL courthouse on their own island in search of a license and a Justice of the Peace?

As far as getting an order of nullity in the HERE and NOW ...

We've got Obama Sr. DEAD (so he's not going to be able to apply) and we've got Stanley Ann Dunham Obama Soetoro a/k/a Sutoro (her preferred name when working at Ford Foundation and under Tim Geithner's father) also DEAD (so she can't apply and, in fact, would have "cast the legal die" with the pursuit of a divorce decree).

But ... guess what ...



Kezia ["the bingo loving" step-mother] Obama

http://www.getbracknell.co.uk/news/s/20 ... bama_bingo

[quote]Charity’s good fortune thanks to Obama bingo
[size=150]By Lorna Catling
March 18, 2009


The bingo-mad stepmother of US President Barack Obama has raised £20,000 through her charity bingo game.



Kezia Obama, who lives in Bullbrook, raised £10,000 through her online Gala Bingo game during the inauguration of her stepson in January.

Gala Bingo agreed to match pound-for-pound whatever Mrs Obama’s Bingo raised, bringing to the total for Sue Ryder Care to £20,000.

The 67-year-old said: “It is great that I have been able to use my good fortune to help Sue Ryder Care, thanks to galabingo.com.

“I am delighted to have raised such a fantastic amount of money for such a worthy cause.â€