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11-22-2008, 02:36 PM #151
I found this bit of information on
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/ ... &;page=247
I am posting it since it may help in determining what natural born actually means. This I believe would disqualify Barack even if he were born in Hawaii. Please read the whole thing.
[b]The term “natural bornâ€
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11-22-2008, 07:00 PM #152Provided, that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident of the United States.The flag flies at half-mast out of grief for the death of my beautiful, formerly-free America. May God have mercy on your souls.
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11-23-2008, 02:48 AM #153
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Obama's origins well-known in Kenya and Uganda
Barack Obama II's origins are well-known in Kenya and Uganda.
Ugandans have formed a group to mobilise support for Kenyan born-senator, Barack Obama for the US presidency.
But the archived article has removed the phrase "Kenyan born-" from the original article.
Ugandans have formed a group to mobilise support for senator Barack Obama's bid for the US presidency.
If you look at the page source for the revised article, you can see possible artifacts of changes to this paragraph and where this line was apparently altered.
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Kenya's Ambassador to the United States, H.E. Peter Ogego
Listen to Mr. Ogego's voice in this video for a few minutes, beginning at 18:32. There's no need to listen for 67 minutes, just listen long enough that you can recognize his voice.
Next, listen to this audio track, beginning at 2:35, and recognize Mr. Ogego's voice.
At 12:30, he says that Sen. Obama's birthplace in Kenya is already well-known.
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Mama Sarah Onyongo Obama, step-mother of Barack Obama Snr.
The 2005 calendar on her wall reads, "Kenyan Wonder-Boy in the U.S.".
Mama Sarah says "Barack ñate dhailani." In the Luo dialect of Swahili, this means,
"Barack is a son of this village," or "Barack born of this village."
Audio mirrored here.
The tape of the phone call to Kenya is nearly unintelligible,
but according to the "Sarah Obama Interview Transcript," when asked if she was present when he was born in Kenya, she said, "Yes".
Sarah Obama Interview Transcript:
Two Rings:
Kweli Shuhudia: Hello? [Back ground music]
Affidavit of Bishop Ron McRae 2
Ron McRae: Brother Kweli? [music] Brother Kweli? This is Brother McRae.
Kweli Shuhudia: Yes.
Ron McRae: Okay. How are you today?
Kweli Shuhudia: Now. We are okay. How are you?
Ron McRae: I’m doing very well. You said you are there with, uh, Barack Obama’s grandmother?
Kweli Shuhudia: Yes. I am just in the home now. She is right here. We’re, we’re waiting to talk in a uh long conversation. And [unitelligible] a good family and she is ready to talk.
Ron McRae: Good. She’s not there at the present?
Kweli Shuhudia: Yes. She’s here right now.
Ron McRae: Okay. Is it possible to speak to her?
Kweli Shuhudia: Yes. It is possible. I ah, along with her and her family, uh, you and me.
Ron McRae: Uh, is it possible for you to put her on the speaker phone and translate for me?
Kweli Shuhudia: Yes! Yes! I will do that.
Ron McRae: Okay.
Kweli Shuhudia: Yes?
Ron McRae: Okay.
Kweli Shuhudia: Yes. Go ahead [he then speaks to her in Swahili]
Sarah Obama: [Replies to him in Swahili]
Ron McRae: Ms. Obama?
Kweli Shuhudia: Yes go ahead.
Ron McRae: Mrs. Obama, my name is bishop Ron McRae.
Kweli Shuhudia: Ametaja bishop Ron McRae, Ron McRae. Go ahead.
Ron McRae: I am, I am the, I am the bishop of the Anabaptists Churches of North America.
Kweli Shuhudia: Yeye niaskofu Anabaptists makaisa.
Sarah Obama: Shikamooo! [Hello, good day].
Mr. Ogombe: Are you speaking English and , and we will tell her in Luo. Okay?
Ron McRae: Now give me that again. Explain it to me again.
Ogombe: It is welcome. She is very grateful for your interest.
Ron McRae: Okay. Thank you! Tell her I count it a great honor to speak to her since her son Barack Obama is running for President of the United States.
Ogombe: Eh makasema yuko kiuu mgomba Obama kwa mwenyekiti America. Yah, she says she is very helpful for got to you please pray for Obama. She is asking you to pray for him. For Obama.
Ron McRae: Yes Sir. Uh…Ms. Obama, you can rest assured that I am praying for your son, and your grandson.
Ogombe: Yes. It is helpful also towards it is beginning to help.
Ron McRae: Okay.
Sarah Obama: [unitelligible from Ms. Obama because of room noise].
Ogombe: She says she is covet your prayers for he [unintelligible] her son.
Ron McRae: Okay. And tell her that I will be coming there in December. I would like to come by and meet with her and pray with her.
Ogombe: Yes. Ye atakuwa mwezi Desemba.
Kweli Shuhudia: In December. He will come in December and he wants to come and talk with you.
Sarah Obama: [unitelligible]
Ogombe: Oh she says you're so encourage her. Your coming in December so you can talk together with her.
Ron McRae: Amen. I am, I am so thankful. Could I ask her, uh, could I ask her about his, uh, his, his, his actual birthplace? I would like to see his birthplace when I, when I come to Kenya in December. Uh, was she present when he was, was she present when he was born in Kenya?
Ogombe to Sarah Obama: Alikuma zalima Obama [unintelligible].
Kweli Shuhudia: He is asking her, he wants to know something was ah was she present when he was born?
Ogombe: Yes. She says, "Yes she was! She was present when Obama was born."Last edited by MinutemanCDC_SC; 07-22-2013 at 07:17 AM.
One man's terrorist is another man's undocumented worker.
Unless we enforce laws against illegal aliens today,
tomorrow WE may wake up as illegals.
The last word: illegal aliens are ILLEGAL!
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11-23-2008, 03:27 AM #154
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Where are the Hawaii hospital witnesses?
Where are the delivery room witnesses from the hospital in Hawaii?
For a 1961 birth, a Labor & Delivery nurse might be as young as 66 now.
An OB-GYN might be as young as 75.
Surely someone who was in that delivery room in Hawaii is alive and remembers an 18-year-old mother giving birth to a mixed-race baby. In 1961, in Honolulu, that would not have been an everyday occurrence. With all the hullabaloo and controversy about Barack Obama's birth in Honolulu now, someone would remember it.
Unless it never happened.Last edited by MinutemanCDC_SC; 07-22-2013 at 07:20 AM.
One man's terrorist is another man's undocumented worker.
Unless we enforce laws against illegal aliens today,
tomorrow WE may wake up as illegals.
The last word: illegal aliens are ILLEGAL!
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11-23-2008, 06:48 PM #155
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"natural born" and "citizenship" definitions
Originally Posted by jcsjcmOriginally Posted by PA-RIVER
The Framers looked to Common Law for precedent, except concerning nationality, loyalty, citizenship, and similar matters where the notion of "Crown and subjects" did not apply to free men. For such, the Framers looked to international law, which for that day Emerich de Vattel had merely codified, not defined, in his reference text on international law, The Law of Nations (1758 ).Last edited by MinutemanCDC_SC; 07-22-2013 at 08:36 AM.
One man's terrorist is another man's undocumented worker.
Unless we enforce laws against illegal aliens today,
tomorrow WE may wake up as illegals.
The last word: illegal aliens are ILLEGAL!
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11-24-2008, 08:09 AM #156
Re: Registered Birth
Originally Posted by jcsjcm
jcsjcm: This is mirse.
Is there anyway you can find out what Hawaii statue/law was in place in
1961 that allowed a parent to obtain a Hawaii birth certificate even if the child was born in another country or another state?
The reason I ask is this: On another site, a poster said that the Keyes lawsuit against Obama was poorly written and was wrong when it cited Hawaii statue 338-178, because the statue was not even written when Obama was born.
The poster said the statue was written when Obama was a young adult, and so it could NOT have applied to Obama when he was born in Aug. 1961.
Thanks for your help.
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11-24-2008, 09:25 AM #157
Donofrio is just plain wrong, as is Devvy Kidd.
Also, it doesn't matter which other countries considered him a citizen at whatever point in time. What matters is whether the US considered him a citizen. We are not in the habit of allowing podunk third world countries or former masters of America to decide who is and is not a citizen of ours.Join our efforts to Secure America's Borders and End Illegal Immigration by Joining ALIPAC's E-Mail Alerts network (CLICK HERE)
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11-24-2008, 10:25 AM #158Originally Posted by BetsyRoss
Hey mirse,
I do know what your talking about but I also have only seen this information pasted in other blogs. I'm not sure if I can find something on this but I will give it a shot.
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11-24-2008, 02:59 PM #159
I still can't believe that this is still being allowed to go on! Americans are a bunch of push overs, no one speaks up for anything constitutional anymore.... maybe a select few...but not near enough. I feel betrayed by my fellow citizens and media! And especially Obama for doing this to us!
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11-24-2008, 03:35 PM #160Originally Posted by 93camaro
Laura Loomer - Woke up this morning to a @nytimes article...
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