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The current view of the 2012 presidential election, based on HuffPost Pollster charts and analysis.

Updated: Thursday, Aug. 9 4:29 pm ET

Obama 281 Electoral Votes <---- Went down 10 points annnnnd... We Still Have A BINGO Vern

Romney 191 Electoral Votes


270 electoral votes needed to win

Obama vs. Romney Electoral Map

The GOP and RNC have a Suicide Run~Away Train happening and they just dont get it... Romney, just like McCain wasnt picked to Win; he was picked by the Elites to knock out any and all contenders against Obama

These 2 ~ Obama / Romney are Globalists and the Elite have hedged their Bets... there is NO change Coming

It will be a Democrat win and just like Dubya Bush... it will destroy the Conservative Movement and Gut the Republican Party

Obama vs Romney

Last Updated: 8/9

State	Pollster	Poll Date	Obama	Romney
National	Rasmussen Tracking	8/6-8/8	43%	47%
National	Gallup Tracking	8/2-8/8	47%	45%
Virginia	Rasmussen Reports	8/7-8/7	48%	46%
Colorado	Rasmussen Reports	8/6-8/6	47%	47%
National	Reuters Ipsos	8/2-8/6	49%	42%
Virginia	CBS/NYT/Quinnipiac	7/31-8/6	49%	45%
Colorado	CBS/NYT/Quinnipiac	7/31-8/6	45%	50%
Wisconsin	CBS/NYT/Quinnipiac	7/31-8/6	51%	45%
Wisconsin	Marquette University	8/2-8/5	50%	45%
Colorado	PPP	8/2-8/5	49%	43%
North Carolina	PPP	8/2-8/5	49%	46%
Washington	Survey USA	8/1-8/2	54%	37%
North Carolina	Rasmussen Reports	8/1-8/1	44%	49%
Indiana	Rasmussen Reports	7/31-8/1	35%	51%
Michigan	EPIC MRA	7/24-7/31	48%	42%

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Projections Shift More Towards Obama

Even Karl Rove has Obama winning.
8/3/12
Last week, Obama was up 270-201 in the average of projections. He is doing even better this week.

	Obama	Romney	Tossup	(margin) vs Last Week
AVERAGE	278	206
Election Projection	332	206	0	-
Electoral-Vote	332	206	0	-
NationalPolls.com	341	197	0	Obama +32
US Election Atlas	303	235	0	-
Race 4 2012 (no tossups)	290	248	0	Romney +26
Five Thirty Eight Nov. 6 Forecast	298	240	0	Obama +12
Huffington Post	290	191	57	Obama +18
NPR	237	206	95	-
Washington Post	237	206	95	-
Karl Rove	280	182	76	Obama +33
Real Clear Politics	247	191	100	Romney +49
NY Times	237	206	95	Obama +20
CNN	196	159	183	-

Even Karl Rove has Obama winning the election outright, with tossup states included.

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Poll: Should Republicans Dump Romney in Tampa?

Given the recent fiasco (see video) and the inability of the Romney campaign to effectively take on Obamacare, should the Republican delegates dump Romney at the convention (it has happened before) and pick someone else?

Vote below the video.

Should Republican delegates dump Romney at the convention and nominate someone else?

• No.
• Yes.

If so, who should Republicans nominate at the GOP convention in Tampa?

• Paul Ryan
• Jeb Bush
• Ron Paul
• Condoleezza Rice
• Rick Santorum
• Gov. Chris Christie
• General David Petraeus
• Marco Rubio
• Other

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Conservative Group Launches “Dump Romney” Campaign

“Disgusting and highly inappropriate,” says Ron Paul's campaign manager. Also a bit late in the game.

posted Aug 9, 2012 5:30pm EDT
Rosie Gray BuzzFeed Staff



A group called "Jews and Christians Together," which backed Rick Santorum in the Republican primary, is sending a memo to Republican National Convention delegates urging them not to vote for Mitt Romney at the convention, even if they're bound to him.

The nine-page memo casts Romney's nomination in the direst terms. A press release from the group reads:

"DUMP ROMNEY" contends that no delegates are actually "bound" by law or GOP

rules to vote for Romney and that, to win the White House and toss-up
Senate seats, delegates must exercise their right to "conscientiously
abstain" from Romney on the crucial first ballot, aiming for a
stronger ticket leader in subsequent convention voting rounds. The core of a hard-hitting new 80,000 word book and incubating Tampa
insurgency, the entire memo can be read online free via Amazon Kindle
Cloud Reader using the Amazon.com search term "DUMP ROMNEY." "Were
frontrunners simply entitled to the nomination, a convention wouldn't
be necessary," the texts say, noting that Intrade predictive markets
gives Obama odds of about 60-40 over Romney and that New York Times
political analyst Nate Silver projects about 300 electoral votes for
Obama, rating Romney's current odds around 21%.

The memo doesn't specify who Romney should be replaced with.

A core of Ron Paul supporters had been the only organized Republican opposition to accepting Romney as the nominee, but Paul campaign manager Jesse Benton told BuzzFeed that the memo had nothing to do with them, calling it "disgusting and highly inappropriate."

Instead, it's a brainchild of Steve Baldwin, the former chief of the Council for National Policy, a low-profile, well-connected conservative group. Baldwin said the memo was sent out to 20,000 people in politics in media, as well as RNC delegates.

"We’re just saying that Romney has so many liabilities that will be exploited by Obama," Baldwin said in a phone interview. "I don’t have a problems with Mormons personally, but it is a liability issue" among evangelical voters, Baldwin said.
Baldwin said that the people who put together the memo are supporters of different primary candidates, including Michele Bachmann, Rick Santorum, and Newt Gingrich (Baldwin is a Bachmann supporter).

Jews and Christians Together briefly made the news in March for putting out robocalls in Ohio on behalf of Rick Santorum, then still a presidential candidate. The call accused Romney of supporting "open homosexuality in the military, the appointment of homosexual judges, and the ENDA law, making it illegal to fire a man who wears a dress and high heels to work, even if he's your kid's teacher."

The memo is accompanied by an "expanded" 100-page version, available on Amazon. It devotes a lot of space to attacking Romney's Mormonism as "hostile to American monotheism and hetero-monogamy" (there's even a picture of Brigham Young in drag).


Conservative Group Launches "Dump Romney" Campaign

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Divisions appearing amongst GOP ranks against Romney (over Andrea Saul comments)

Submitted by Ian56 on Thu, 08/09/2012 - 07:40
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Keep FIGHTING for a brokered convention! Romney is HELPING us with all his screw ups and gaffes. Keep the PRESSURE and heat turned up HIGH on Romney. The more pressure and heat that can be applied the more gaffe's that Romney and his team will make.

Romney is continuing to slide in the polls and questions amongst die-hard GOP are starting to be asked about Romney's nomination in Tampa.

There is a Twitter FireStorm currently raging over this and lots of divisions between different GOP people. Search "Andrea Saul"

Never one to miss an opportunity I am trying to stick red hot needles in the cracks that are appearing. Going for ex Santorum and Gingrich supporters mostly. And generally with Andrea Saul in the post.

Video links for this story (via the_chiefe71)

Using Romney Care to Defend Bain Record Suggests No Obama Care Repeal? - YouTube

Romney Spox: If Only Fired Employee Had &#39;Romneycare&#39; - YouTube

It should have a very easy task to discredit Obama's angle, but Andrea Saul wasn't up to it. She repeated the blatant lie that Romney left Bain in 1999. She plainly does not know her a** from her elbow.

Ann Coulter Demands Andrea Saul Be Fired Or Conservatives Should Boycott Donating to Romney. Some interesting comments in this article.

If you read RedState, and some of the conservative rags, the rage against Romney is so lively I wonder if some conservatives haven't made the conscious choice that Romney is their equivalent of John Edwards, whose campaign will implode with scandal over taxes, Bain, and perhaps, even other stuff we haven't heard yet, so figure it is better to take him out before the convention, to avoid a total disaster for the GOP in November.

Even though most of us have scoffed at the GOP convention replacement scenarios (even though I wrote one up as a thought starter three months ago,) is it possible hard core Republicans figure sticking with Romney all the way through November after a convention lock in could be worse?

8:31 PM PT: A comment by Nailbanger prompted this question which could become quite a bit more significant if true. From my response to to nailbanger below.

Could it

.. be possible that hard core conservatives realize that Romney is going to lose, or maybe even become the "John Edwards of the GOP" so it is better for them to cut their losses, now to preserve their own "credibility."

Like it would be better for their long-term reputations if they go down in history as the folks who took down Romney from the inside, rather than let it look like Democrats did it in a November landslide election that we will then use as evidence of public "repudiation" of their right-wing zealotry.

Dramatically, and publicly turning on Romney now could portray Romney as "the loser" rather than "right-wing zealotry" with would otherwise take the hit in November.

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Obama now leads Romney by 11 among independents in new CNN and Fox News polls

posted at 8:01 pm on August 9, 2012 by Allahpundit



Don’t focus on the topline numbers since it’s hard to gauge how reliable they are. The Fox poll has O leading 49/40 based on a sample of D+9; last month he led 45/41 with a sample of just D+4. As for CNN, they’ve got Obama up 52/45 but provide no partisan breakdown with which to judge the sample.

What to do, then? Let’s focus on the indies. CNN:



The margin of error increases for a subsample, as you can see, but that’s a lot of cushion for the Unicorn Prince. No mystery where it’s coming from, either: According to CNN, 52 percent of indies have an unfavorable view of Romney now compared to just 40 percent who had one in May. Fox sees a similar overall margin:



Lots of undecideds there, obviously, but the trendlines in Romney’s favorables aren’t encouraging after a solid month of Bain-mania. CNN’s and Fox’s numbers, respectively:



Amazingly, The One’s not paying much of a price yet for negativity. When asked if Romney has attacked Obama unfairly, the response is 44/50 between “has” and “has not.” Obama’s numbers are almost identical at 45/49, suggesting that perceptions on this question are still breaking along predictable party lines. Maybe that’ll change in the next week or two; this poll was conducted over the last few days, before the sleaze-tastic steelworker ad really started buzzing.

I don’t like the looks of either of these numbers, though:



Of the last four elections, only Clinton in 1996 had more lopsided numbers on that last question. (On the other hand, by a margin of 52/37, voters expected Gore to defeat Bush as of mid-September 2000.) Here’s the key question: Given that Romney and the constellation of conservative Super PACs have yet to really unload on O, there’s obviously going to be some movement in his numbers down the line just as there’s been movement in Romney’s numbers now after the Bain attacks. But how much? The two sides aren’t similarly situated; Romney’s an unknown quantity for most while Obama’s been the most famous man on the planet for four years. Not only does that make it harder for the GOP to define him than it was for him to define Mitt, but it gives O a much simpler task with regard to the shrinking pool of undecideds. Those people are already wary of reelecting him (that’s why they’re undecided), so they’re essentially Romney persuadables. Romney needs to persuade them, but all Obama needs to do is keep Romney on the defensive and keep the campaign dumb and nasty so that those persuadables stop caring and stay home.

It’s incredibly cynical but it’s his best bet. If you believe these two polls, it’s working okay so far.

Obama now leads Romney by 11 among independents in new CNN and Fox News polls « Hot Air

Romney spokesman on steelworker ad: In Massachusetts, he would have been covered under RomneyCare

posted at 4:59 pm on August 8, 2012 by Allahpundit


Via Mediaite, the key bit comes at 1:25. Are we sufficiently close to the election yet that we’re obliged to give Team Mitt a pass on this purely in the interest of defeating Obama, or is there still time left to wrist-slap him for touting a deeply problematic statist health-care expansion? (It’s not just his spokesman who alluded to RomneyCare this morning but, according to Reuters, Romney himself.) If the answer is the former then I’m not optimistic about holding his feet to the fire from the right once he’s elected. The Democrats have formidable challengers lined up for 2016 in Hillary and Andrew Cuomo, if they’re willing. You don’t really want to weaken President Mitt by criticizing him for moving to the center when he’s facing a brutal struggle for reelection, do you?

It’s not a big deal in the full context of the campaign but, like Erick Erickson says, any hint of backsliding by Romney is noteworthy:

[T]he Romney campaign decided to sabotage itself with a mind numbingly bit of spin that may mark the day the Romney campaign died…

Conservatives have put aside their distrust of Romney on this issue in the name of beating Barack Obama. They thought he and his campaign team had gotten the message and the hints. Consider the scab picked, the wound opened, and the distrust trickling out again.

About the only thing more stupid in terms of building bridges with the right would be to say something nice about fetal stem cell research.

Start your watches for that one!

If I were an Obama advisor, I’d be looking at Saul’s comment as an escape hatch from the rolling clusterfark that is the steelworker ad. It’s a twofer. On the one hand, it lets them grind Romney’s face in the one policy “accomplishment” more than any other that irritates his base, and on the other, it gives them an excuse to tout ObamaCare as a solution to situations like Soptic’s. I’d be surprised if O’s Super PAC isn’t working up a new ad about it already, assuming they’re not backlogged with spots accusing Romney of causing cancer or whatever.

Exit quotation from stalwart RomneyCare skeptic Philip Klein, trying to imagine future Romney talking points in this vein: “Well, in Massachusetts, the rich pay a lot of taxes.”

Update: More from Klein:

It’s hard to say what type of political ramifications this specific development will have, but I do think it’s an example of a broader problem. Romney consistently attempts to make up with tactics what he lacks in vision. Romney’s campaign isn’t driven by any core ideology or governing philosophy, but by responding to news cycles. It is a campaign that was perhaps best summed up by senior advisor Eric Fehrnstrom, when he proudly tweeted yesterday, “On Fox just now Romney was asked to respond to ‘RomneyHood’ charge and called it ‘Obamaloney.’”

Conservatives, rest assured – Romney will not allow himself to be called a childish nickname without responding by calling Obama a childish nickname.

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