You heard it here FIRST! NC's Proposition 200

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03-24-2005, 08:13 PM
ALIPAC

You heard it here FIRST! NC's Proposition 200

Friends:

Over the last few days, I have been alluding to a big announcement. Well, here is the first part of it.

Senator Hugh Webster, a state Senator from North Carolina, has introduced a bill that is a more polished version of Arizona's public initiative that passed last year... Proposition 200.

This bill would require proof of legal citizenship to register to vote the first time, get a license, and to receive any state benefits or welfare that are not mandated by the Federal governments. This change would not cut anyone off from emergency medical care in North Carolina. We are not the kind of people that would demand payment in advance for emergency treatment like they do to Americans visiting Mexico.

North Carolina has experienced on of the most rapid increases in illegal immigration of any state in America. We now have 300-500 thousand illegal aliens or about 1 out of every 20 people. This is why our state budget has been in shambles the last few years although most legislators are not aware of this.

We are working on a coalition with other groups to help get this bill passed. ALIPAC and NC Listen and 9/11 FSA have agreed to enjoin the effort and our proposal is being sent to FAIR to ask them to work with us and assist the effort. Each of these groups have been pushing for license security reform in NC over the last year.

The bill is Senate Bill 976 and it is title "Taxpayer and Citizen Protection Act." The only chance this bill has of passing will be with a large amount of public support and lobbying by activists and concerned citizens. This bill could save the state of North Carolina from a fiscal future like that of California.

You can read the bill here.
http://www.ncleg.net/gascripts/BillLook ... illID=S976

More information about Senator Hugh Webster
http://www.ncleg.net/gascripts/members/ ... nUserID=26

Please spread the word about this legislation as we await the Associated Press's version of the story shortly.

North Carolina does not have a public ballot initiative like CA and AZ. If we did, our citizens would be fighting to get this on the ballot ASAP. If it made it to the ballot it would pass with large margins!

Please spread the word and let the nation know that North Carolina now has its legislative version of AZ Prop. 200 Senator Webster will hold a press conference on this bill next week.

Kind Regards,

William Gheen
President, ALIPAC
03-24-2005, 08:31 PM
Charlesoakisland

FANTASTIC. Look out Ethel it's the big one !!! :lol:

I'll be doing a lot of emailing again to Raleigh :lol:
03-24-2005, 08:33 PM
Charlesoakisland

Is Hugh ready to run for Governor :P
03-24-2005, 09:10 PM
ALIPAC

Ill ask him COI

Hey AuntB,

This is the suprise I was teasing you about. Hope you like it :)

W
03-24-2005, 09:47 PM
RonLaws

Overdue good news

Thank You Hugh Webster and William Gheen.

North Carolina is #8 on the list of States with the most illegal Alien population.

This will be a tough sell to Democrats in the NC General Assembly who traditionally tend to be "bleeding heart Liberals" and then to our "Take NO Stand on the issue" Governor Easley.

A point I've noticed with Democrats and their liberal base is that they inject emotional issues into illegal immigration. i.e. - They bring up torn families, children of illegal Aliens getting an education, racism, cultural issues, cheap labor exploitation, wage losses w/no benefits, etc. Some stories of illegal Alien problems are sad but this is exactly why there are U.S. Laws for Legal Entry (immigration) to the U.S. as well so that Americans are'nt pillaged and invaded. The raw sense is that the Law must be enforced and the illegal Alien will have to learn the lesson of Legal responsibility. Illegal Aliens must be refused services and discouraged.

Politicians (State or Federal) also just defer from doing something that may bring uproar - they just want to keep everything 'nice' and maintain the status quo even though their State is being destroyed and their budget continues to be thru the floor due to illegal immigration. Regardless of the crying and pain, illegal Aliens must be rebuffed and deterred.

State Politicians will have to be told how vitally damaging the social ills are and how important it is for the long-term health of our State. I hope to add to this influence in a polite and constructive manner.

You can bet the Raleigh Mexican Consulate will come out on this.
03-24-2005, 10:00 PM
AuntB

Hey AuntB,

This is the suprise I was teasing you about. Hope you like it Smile

W

I LIKE!!! I hope to hear of a lot more states getting on board!
03-24-2005, 10:19 PM
popeye1250

N.C. Driver's Liscenses for Illegals

I live in Myrtle Beach, S.C. and we do not grant the* PRIVILAGE *of driving to Non-U.S.Citizens in this state!
We see suspected ILLEGAL ALIENS in this state behind the wheel of vehicles with NORTH CAROLINA plates all the time!
If (I) were injured in an accident by one of those ILLEGAL ALIENS with a N.Carolina liscense you can be SURE that "THE STATE of NORTH CAROLINA" would be party to a BIG, FAT LAWSUIT by me!
03-24-2005, 10:23 PM
Charlesoakisland

popeye1250,
one thing for sure if you live in MB, you get lots of defensive drivers training just driving around town.
I hit MB about twice a month to shop, beats going to Wilmington.

With any luck perhaps this bill will keep some of those Illegals off the roads.
03-24-2005, 10:42 PM
ALIPAC

popeye1250 WELCOME! Good to have you aboard arrrr <--- sorry my new avatar made me say that.

It is a safe bet that someone's loved ones are dieing out there from these third world illegal alien drivers with NC licenses. There's blood on the hands of the politicians responsible for this.

Check this one out.

License To Kill (NC Driver Licenses)
http://www.alipac.us/article113.html

W

PS: Hey gang, it helps our web traffic when you link to articles in our archive from this forum as I just have here.

PSS: Check out our ALIPAC work! Here is what you see when you google 'nc licenses'

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=I ... c+licenses
03-24-2005, 10:47 PM
Charlesoakisland

"PS: Hey gang, it helps our web traffic when you link to articles in our archive from this forum as I just have here."

Understand, do links of pertinent info:

http://www.alipac.us/article113.html
03-24-2005, 10:55 PM
ALIPAC

Ron Laws:

Thank you for the kind words and the support. Let's hope the law abiding people of NC will activate behind this new legislation.

W
03-25-2005, 08:39 AM
dman1200

This is great news. Maybe this will slow down the process of turning North Carolina into Aztlan East.
03-25-2005, 10:56 AM
watchman

Re: Overdue good news

Quote:

Originally Posted by RonLaws

A point I've noticed with Democrats and their liberal base is that they inject emotional issues into illegal immigration. i.e. - They bring up torn families, children of illegal Aliens getting an education, racism, cultural issues, cheap labor exploitation, wage losses w/no benefits, etc. Some stories of illegal Alien problems are sad but this is exactly why there are U.S. Laws for Legal Entry (immigration) to the U.S. as well so that Americans are'nt pillaged and invaded. The raw sense is that the Law must be enforced and the illegal Alien will have to learn the lesson of Legal responsibility. Illegal Aliens must be refused services and discouraged.

Good point, RonLaws, about responsibility. With all the handouts given to the illegals littering our land, why should they be "responsible." There is a human side to this, 'tis true .. but the line has to be drawn somewhere! I mean, why don't we just be compassionate and take in all the world's disenfranchised while we're at it! {sarcasm}
03-25-2005, 11:01 AM
watchman

Re: N.C. Driver's Liscenses for Illegals

Quote:

Originally Posted by popeye1250

I live in Myrtle Beach, S.C. and we do not grant the* PRIVILAGE *of driving to Non-U.S.Citizens in this state!
We see suspected ILLEGAL ALIENS in this state behind the wheel of vehicles with NORTH CAROLINA plates all the time!
If (I) were injured in an accident by one of those ILLEGAL ALIENS with a N.Carolina liscense you can be SURE that "THE STATE of NORTH CAROLINA" would be party to a BIG, FAT LAWSUIT by me!

popeye1250,

WELCOME TO ALIPAC!! Illegals driving at all is a sore issue for me as my parents were both seriously injured in 1982 when they were hit head-on in broad daylight by some illegals towing a car with a rope, no less .. drunk too. Mom and Dad never got a penny .. of course, they (the illegals) were uninsured! And IIRC, fled the scene.

So I guess you drive a wide path around those illegals with NC plates, huh? I would too! Ever notice how poor their driving skills are???

Again, welcome!

watchman
03-25-2005, 11:33 AM
dman1200

Re: N.C. Driver's Liscenses for Illegals

Quote:

Originally Posted by watchman

Quote:

Originally Posted by popeye1250

I live in Myrtle Beach, S.C. and we do not grant the* PRIVILAGE *of driving to Non-U.S.Citizens in this state!
We see suspected ILLEGAL ALIENS in this state behind the wheel of vehicles with NORTH CAROLINA plates all the time!
If (I) were injured in an accident by one of those ILLEGAL ALIENS with a N.Carolina liscense you can be SURE that "THE STATE of NORTH CAROLINA" would be party to a BIG, FAT LAWSUIT by me!

popeye1250,

WELCOME TO ALIPAC!! Illegals driving at all is a sore issue for me as my parents were both seriously injured in 1982 when they were hit head-on in broad daylight by some illegals towing a car with a rope, no less .. drunk too. Mom and Dad never got a penny .. of course, they (the illegals) were uninsured! And IIRC, fled the scene.

So I guess you drive a wide path around those illegals with NC plates, huh? I would too! Ever notice how poor their driving skills are???

Again, welcome!

watchman

According to the ever knowledgeable liberals, giving illegals drivers licenses will all of a sudden make them better drivers. Because we all know that once you reward illegal behavior then the illegal behavior will stop. :lol: :lol: :lol:
03-25-2005, 11:39 AM
watchman

dman1200,

Quote:

According to the ever knowledgeable liberals, giving illegals drivers licenses will all of a sudden make them better drivers. Because we all know that once you reward illegal behavior then the illegal behavior will stop.

I know this is a dumb question and one I should already know the anwer to but do they have to take any type of driving course or pass any type of driving test? I'm sure they do .. I just don't know the scope of what is required.

As a teen, I had to pass a written test as well as a driving test to obtain a license.

I'm getting too old :wink: to know what current requirements are. I've been driving too long. :wink: And today I have to make a four-hour round trip unless I buckle and reschedule.

Do you think traffic will be bad this afternoon on the Interstate being it is Good Friday?????? That's a "need to know" thing for me right now. :D
03-25-2005, 11:53 AM
ALIPAC

An article about this bill has been placed upon the homepage. Please forward, post and circulate links into this article with our ALIPAC Network.

W

Main Article:

http://www.alipac.us/modules.php?name=N ... le&sid=291
03-25-2005, 12:09 PM
dman1200

Quote:

Originally Posted by watchman

dman1200,

Quote:

According to the ever knowledgeable liberals, giving illegals drivers licenses will all of a sudden make them better drivers. Because we all know that once you reward illegal behavior then the illegal behavior will stop.

I know this is a dumb question and one I should already know the anwer to but do they have to take any type of driving course or pass any type of driving test? I'm sure they do .. I just don't know the scope of what is required.

As a teen, I had to pass a written test as well as a driving test to obtain a license.

I'm getting too old :wink: to know what current requirements are. I've been driving too long. :wink: And today I have to make a four-hour round trip unless I buckle and reschedule.

Do you think traffic will be bad this afternoon on the Interstate being it is Good Friday?????? That's a "need to know" thing for me right now. :D

I think they are suppose to be able to pass a driving test and get insurance, but we all know what will happen if the illegals refuse. The inept federal government will just cave in and give them a license anyway out of fear of a lawsuit from the OBL or fear of being called the usual name labels. Our government really has no spine, but I guess I don't have to tell you that.

Oh yeah and traffic on an interstate on Friday is always a cluster, let alone Good Friday. I live in Northern VA and I have to put up with this nightmare everyday and I hate it. Of course the politicans only give lip service to the ever growing problem. :evil:
03-25-2005, 07:38 PM
dataman

It seems that the government still cannot spell
D E P O R T A T I O N
03-27-2005, 02:48 AM
ALIPAC

At the time of this posting, the article about Senator Webster's bill has done well. With about 2,600 reads it is in the 17 slot of our top 20 articles ever.

http://www.alipac.us/modules.php?name=Top

There is some concern that AP may do a hit piece on Senator Webster's bill so any help getting this article with links into the alipac homepage article around on NC forums or NC email lists would help to keep the story straight.

W
05-25-2005, 08:52 AM
Bootsie

I BEG you to allow Senator Webster's SB 976 to be heard in committee BEFORE you adjourn for the summer. The people whom you represent have made it abundantly clear that we want our NC licenses reserved for only those legally present in our state. We want our tax dollars to go to LEGAL citizens of our state and NOT to illegal immigrants. And, we definitely want our state and local police to be able to enforce immigration laws. Without this, our state is going to go under. We can no longer afford to support this invasion by illegal immigrants and I, for one, am sick of seeing my tax dollars being spent to give them services that should be reserved for DESERVING North Carolina CITIZENS.

I, along with every single one of my friends, have made a commitment to only vote in the future for representatives that truly REPRESENT the people of our state and not some special interest groups. It is time for you to LISTEN to what your constituents want and act accordingly. A lot of work has been poured into this bill and I sincerely hope that you will not let it die in committee without debate. This would be a travesty for the people of our state who have watched our jobs be taken away by illegal immigrants; who have watched our taxpayer dollars being poured into health care and education for people who have broken our laws to even be here; who have demanded and received the privilege of having every document, every sign, every communication provided to them in the language of THEIR country--not OURS; and to watch a huge majority of crimes committed in our state perpetrated by these illegal immigrants. Their presence in our state has put an enormous strain on the budget of our state and we are no longer willing to sit back and watch this happen anymore.

Sincerely,

Margaret Koonts
05-25-2005, 08:57 AM
Charlesoakisland

Bootsie
just sent you a PM. I need to email my rep I guess.
05-25-2005, 08:20 PM
StraightShooter

Excellent post RonLaws and thanx William for working on this! I could not have said it any better myself. This is exactly what I have advocated in some of my earlier posts. I want to thank my newest Hero Hugh. A BIG THANK YOU FROM A CONCERNED LEGAL CITIZEN OF NC.

RonLaws I know what you mean about them Dems in the legislature. They are hard to deal with and have a lock on issues such as this.

We definately got a battle before us but I am hoping this Vegas Summit will get the attention of those still asleep in the state. The NC legislature is slower than snells and out in left field in their priorities. Just tonight on the news, there was a report about the legislatures taking up what animals, birds, insects, flowers to place in the state catagories. I hope I conveyed what I meant. It is stupid to waste time on such worthless topics when no telling just how many illegals got their licenses in NC today.

One night as I was driving, I noticed a car that had ran off the side of the road down into a low place. So low in fact, I almost did not see it. I called 911 to report it. Emergency personnel arrived and they told me the occupants has already left the scene. They also told me they were probably illegals driving. They said they don't have insurance and flee the scene when they are involved in an accident.

Watchman I am sorry for your lose. It is a story that is repeated all too often here in NC. I do carry uninsured motorist insurance just in case but will not bring back lost loved ones or prevent it from happening.

It is only when we shout loud enough and long enough at out state reps will they have an understanding of how we feel and we're not going to let them sit on their duffs any longer on this issue.

Thanx again Hugh!
05-25-2005, 10:12 PM
jp_48504

Quote:

I AM FOR IMMIGRATION REFORM IN THE FORM OF ENFORCEMENT!

that is exactly what we need, Now we need them to Repeal the Real ID.
12-02-2007, 10:07 AM
tubby

Crackdown on illegal aliens

In NJ there has been a 6 point ID system in effect to obain a drivers license. Social security ID is verified as are legal immigrant ID cards. Foreign nationals with a US work visa are issued a drivers license which expires with the work visa. This policy began just a few years ago. Also, most motor vehicle offices have local police officers stationed there permanently. I believe it is a state homeland security policy.

Congress passed a law a couple of years ago which requires agencies to verify social security numbers of medicaid applicants. Ilegals I believe are not eligible for medicaid.

The illegal aliens in NJ use charity care which is a state to hopital reimbursement program. Hospitals receive a percentage of actual costs. In recent years the amount has skyrocketed from the low to high hundred millions. The reason is that in addition to emergency care (mandated by fed law), continuous care is provided.

Illegals all over this state...estimate 450,000. Construction fund for new schools and renovations has run dry. Cities loaded with illegals and they are penetrating the suburbs. Illegal housing gone wild.Homes made into boarding houses. Few crackdowns occurring. Massive ordinance and code violations.

Many NJ citizens have only temporary part time or low paying jobs since foreigners have arrived in 90's. Citizens aged 40 or 50 have few job opportunties since corporations prefer low paid foreign nationals. Property taxes sky high... $6,000 to $10,000 per year to fund schools, county, and municipality.

Congressman Lautenberg did publicly issue a warning to employment agencies to make sure hires are legal. Have not heard of or read anything about enforcement on the state or federal level of employment document verification. E-verify used by a small fraction of employers. Some use outsourced businesses to verify new hires.

ICE did conduct raids here from Sept 06 to Mar 07 to capture those ordered deported and other illegals found in the action.

NJ attorney general recently ordered law enforcement to verify social security cards of all foreigners arrested for DUI or felonies. This only happened due to the execution style murder of 3 citizen college students this year by an illegal alien(s).

Illegals here from latin american countries (Mexico, Brazil, Guatemala) and India, Pakistan and Red China.

hope you win your battle in NC.