What you seem to be overlooking is that 1% is WAY to high. They shouldn't be in this country in the first place. There is a FACT for you.
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What you seem to be overlooking is that 1% is WAY to high. They shouldn't be in this country in the first place. There is a FACT for you.
From the FBI Most Wanted for Murder thread.Quote:
Thanks, NewMexican.
That certainly puts things in perspective.
Let's see, we have roughly 290 million people in this country. According to the 2000 Census report, hispanics (any race) were 35,305,818. That 12% of the population.
Now if we take the FBIs wanted list:
The total number of people on the list is 63.
That translates into 38%.
http://www.alipac.us/modules.php?name=F ... ic&t=37114
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ABSOLUTELY FALSE!!! Did you even look at the GAO report? Did you even look at the NAME of the report? The GAO report was based on incarceration at the federal, state and local level COMBINED. Nice try, TROLL.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrLeft
You BONEHEAD! How on EARTH could the 2003 NIC document be the same as the GAO document when the GAO document was prepared in 2005 and included statistics for 2004? How stupid are you? What has happened is that YOU have pulled up the wrong NIC document.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrLeft
THIS CLOWN IS CLEARLY A TROLL, AND I SUGGEST THAT HE SHOULD GET THE STANDARD TROLL TREATMENT. He is clearly not here to honestly debate, but to disrupt the site by lying his stinking arse off.
Because ALL these figures necessarily require some level of extrapolation because of differences in how the various states categorize their inmates, the difference between 27.3% in one estimate and 29% in another represents nothing more than differences in methodology.
It was your insinuation that these numbers were being pulled out of thin air, when it is clear that various governmental reports have generated numbers well within the ballpark, and certainly a helluva lot closer to the numbers our guys have been quoting than to the lowball numbers you were trying to sell.
I want to applaud CrocketsGhost for doing such a great job beating the troll. He has invested a ton of time on great stats and debate.
Mr. Left has been owned! :lol:
:lol: :lol: CrocketG has gone rabid on this troll. :lol: :lol:
I'm not sure why I'm bothering, as you already know that what you just said is nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by CrocketsGhost
Sure, the report covers federal, state, and local level, however the 27% stat you quoted is for federal alone. It's quite clear about it:
"the percentage of all federal prisoners who are criminal aliens has remained the same over the last 3 years - about 27 percent".
It's really just about reading comprehension.
More NIC stats, in this case from 2003 (the year cited in the FairUS article):
Percentages of offenses of incarcerated criminals are broken down by citizenship status in the NICIC Table 9 of its 2003 report available at:
http://nicic.org/Misc/URLShell.aspx?SRC ... Btoc03.htm
The offenses are totalled and the breakdown provided for fiscal 2003 as follows:
U.S. citizens - number: 43,529; percentage: 64.8
aliens - number: 23,656; percentage: 35.2
So over 35% of crimes committed in the primary offense categories in fiscal 2003 were committed by aliens. Go figure.
Give it up lefty, you are outclassed.
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CrocketG Gone Wild!
Dixie
Oh, I think most of us here are quite sure why you're "bothering." Your purpose is to disrupt this site and to attemot to deny the undeniable fact that aliens do in fact constitute somewhere between 25% and 30% of the prison population, exactly as claimed.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrLeft
CG,
It depends on the state. I've seen the level in a study as high as 33% on average. Therefore, in some places it's higher than 33%. I believe, California is number one but I may be mistaken. Texas and Arizonia were high on the list too.
Dixie
Oh, I have no doubt that it is well above 30% in some areas. NIC has admittedly under-reported numbers for local jails and state prisons that total over a quarter-million incarcerated aliens. For many of them, their origin is unknown, for example. The state and local stats kept by the feds are based upon applications for reimbursement, but comparing reimbursement figures with other records of citizenship status show a consistent pattern of under-reporting for reimbursement by as many as tens of thousands. For example, local jails requested reimbursement for approximately 147,000 aliens in 2003, yet totals based upon reporting by nation of origin amount to some 183,500 (with 13,500 being of unknown origin). That represents an apparent under-reporting of about 25%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dixie
Hello ALIPACers,
Seems I missed quite a debate!
Just wanted to make a brief comment on the VICTIMS OF ILLEGAL ALIENS MEMORIAL.
First, it's been moved off my home page. Now there is a link on the home page to the Memorial site.
Secondly, since I attempt to verify info from various web sites per each murder case, I've found an unfortunate pattern.
Although the initial crime and or arrest, there is little or no media follow up afterwards regarding conviction and sentencing (at least that I can find in Google searches).
Perhaps there are people here who would like to find out the status of some of these trials by making calls to prosecutors, etc.? Anyone interested?
shall we also make a list how many innocent Iraqi's have been killed by our so beloved president who spends so much of my tax dollars on the military, no president ever did before ?
Shall we also list the number of the approx 350,000 americans that die each year due to their obesity, because the bad food forced on us by big companies, supported by our government ?
Shall we also name all the victims who died because of our lax gun laws, supported by the conservatives in this country.
Just to let you know that it's not right to pick on people, only because they failed to obtain proper documents
We are at war in Iraq. Are you prepared to admit that we are also at war with the illegal aliens?Quote:
Originally Posted by thereez
As far as being "forced" to eat any food, that's a FARCE. I haven't seen anyone cramming anything down anyone's throat. The fact is that you can eat anything you want, and that it's much cheaper to cook fresh foods yourself than to buy that gawdawful fast food junk. The fact is that most people are too damned lazy to cook their own food, so they willingly gorge on the toxic soylent provided by the food mills.
As for guns, missy, it is a fact that murder rates are lower in places with more lax gun laws, and that rates explode when gun ownership is restrictive. That's true here in the US and also in places like Australia, where the banning of private gun ownership set off a crime wave unprecendented in that country.
So that means that you are wrong, wrong, wrong, and wrong. You were probably wrong a couple of more times in that post, but I don't feel like re-reading that pap.
Our military is what keeps you’re butt safe!Quote:
Originally Posted by thereez
I hate those darn MC Donald’s and Burger King gangs that force me through those drive thru’s. "This is like blaming Miss spelled words on you key board"Quote:
Originally Posted by thereez
There is this piece of paper that gives us this right. Maybe you should read it then get someone to explain the content to you. I suppose you also believe guns kill people.Quote:
Originally Posted by thereez
No, what they should do is follow the law. If they choose not to they should get their butt kicked back across the border with their children Period.Quote:
Originally Posted by thereez
yes, we're at war in Iraq and for what ?Quote:
Originally Posted by CrocketsGhost
There's no link between 9/11 and Iraq.
Even Bush admitted he was wrong and received the wrong intelligence.
All we got under his presidency is higher gas prices, higher rent ( I pay more than I used to do and I blame Bush, not illegal aliens as we hardly have them in TN.
We're forced in a way to eat junk food as junk food companies advertise more than fresh food companies.
Don't you believe me ? Just watch the movie supersize me by morgan spurlock ! Yes, I eat organic food, but it's generally more expensive than 1 dollar burger. I can pay for organic food because I save money on my spendings if you know what I mean ?
If there're no guns, no person can be gunned down, plain and simple
I praise our military, but I don't praise the people who have sent them to Iraq - Bush and his cronies. No human is illegal, my mom told me that and I believe her more than I believe you - periodQuote:
Originally Posted by American_made
Perhaps if you spent less of your money on pot and wine, you wouldn't have to save your money for organic foods.Quote:
Originally Posted by thereez
I don't smoke pot here in the US. Well, very rarely actually. When I go to Europe, I can smoke pot. Even in Brtitain, they only take it from you when caught, but won't get arrested. Ok, back to topic. It's of course not ok that illegal aliens kill americans, but it's not ok to kill peopel at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by americangirl
1st a gun sitting on a table will never kill anyone till some idiot criminal picks it up with intent. so blaming guns on killing people is like blaming your pencil for miss spelled words.Quote:
If there're no guns, no person can be gunned down, plain and simple
2nd. do you really think if you outlawed guns that outlaws will turn theirs in? Because if you do you have not done your research you may start with Australia as CG suggested.
3rd people who enter the country or over stay there contract are criminals and that is the law, we just need to get it enforced.
the murder rate in the US is higher than in the EU while the EU has strict gun laws, explain that to me, please ? If you explain that, I'll explain why I think hiring illegal aliens is ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by American_made
thereez wrote:
More illegal aliens in the U.S.Quote:
the murder rate in the US is higher than in the EU while the EU has strict gun laws, explain that to me, please ? If you explain that, I'll explain why I think hiring illegal aliens is ok.
http://www.gunowners.org/sk0405.htm
Other research shows that guns clearly deter criminals. Polls by the Los Angeles Times, Gallup and Peter Hart Research show that there are at least 760,000, and possibly as many as 3.6 million, defensive uses of guns per year. In 98% of the cases, such polls show, people simply brandish the weapon to stop an attack.
The defensive nature of guns is further reflected in the different rates of so-called hot burglaries, in which a victim is at home when a burglar strikes. In Canada and Britain, which both have tough gun-control laws, almost half of all burglaries are "hot." In The U.S., where greater gun ownership is allowed, only 13% of burglaries are "hot."
Criminals are not behaving differently simply by accident. U.S. felons reveal in surveys that when committing crimes they are much more worried about armed victims than about the police
still the EU and Japan have a lower murder rate and have strict gun laws. So less guns means ess murdersQuote:
Originally Posted by American_made
Their are also many illegal laiens in the EU as it's easy to cross their Eastern and Southern borderQuote:
Originally Posted by americangirl
thereez wrote:
"laiens"?? thereez...are you hitting the sauce again???Quote:
Their are also many illegal laiens in the EU as it's easy to cross their Eastern and Southern border
just place the l after the a, will ya ?Quote:
Originally Posted by americangirl
And why are you calling me names ?
Even Mel Gibson and Robin Williams saw they had a problem and sought out help. I just hope Robin bunks with Mel and some of Robins common sense will rub off.
:roll:
I don't understand all that attention to Mel.
He starred with Danny Glover ( I think ) in all those lethal weapon episodes, so he's clearly not a racist. In part 2, he was even fightinh against racism in South Africa. He was hitting on that black girl in those movies.
I guess this means everything you see on TV is gospel.Quote:
Originally Posted by thereez
thereez, I have a question for you.
You said in one of your posts that you hire illegals ("only occasionally") to keep the price of your products low.
But in another one of your posts you said that you're a nurse and that you "feel sorry" for your illegal alien patients.
Just what kind of nurse hires illegal aliens to keep the price of her products low? What products??
You're a liar and a fake thereez...and you should be banned from this board.
I admit that I watch a lot of tv.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlesoakisland
Movies and news channels.
I believe when Bush said it's neccesary to have a guest worker's program.
I got that news when i was watchign tv. I think we need kinda program as we are unable to deport them because they have anchor babies
I'm not hiring ilegals to keep prices low !Quote:
Originally Posted by americangirl
I never siad that as I can't keep prices of tomatoes low by hiring illegals that do the cleaning in my house. I said that I support amnesty so that all the prices are kept low ! I use illegals sometimes to keep the price low for me when my car is broke, or when I need to have something fixed.
You let illegals work on your car ? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
they were recommended by my other sister ( I have 2 sisters and 1 brother ) and that guy was a car mechanic in El Salvador. He fixed my breaks for only $ 30 and a pack of Corona. If an American garage would have fixed it, it would have cost me hundreds. I don't like to steal from my own wallet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlesoakisland
thereez wrote:
Oh no? I cut and pasted this from one of your posts.Quote:
I'm not hiring ilegals to keep prices low !
I never siad
thereez wrote:
Liar.Quote:
My cause is to keep products as cheap as possible so I can go to Ireland. I revealed that I sometimes use services of illegal aliens, I should not have revealed that. That was stupid, but ICE must leave everyone alone and they can better fight crime instead of me, just making a living
Liar.[/quote:2a473334]Quote:
Originally Posted by americangirl
No, you have a problem reading. My cause, is referring to what I want to happen, that's why I said that I support amnesty as it indirectly suits my cause. I want amnesty, not only for me, but for all americans, so you can have a cheap tomatoe, american girl.
thereez wrote:
I'm not buying this garbage from you anymore thereez. I'm finished with you. You've contradicted yourself many times, and you're posting a bunch of garbage that is totally not in keeping with the mission of ALIPAC. Why don't you go somewhere else?Quote:
No, you have a problem reading. My cause, is referring to what I want to happen, that's why I said that I support amnesty as it indirectly suits my cause. I want amnesty, not only for me, but for all americans, so you can have a cheap tomatoe, american girl.