Thread: Poll: Should we adjust our position against DACA?

ALIPAC Supporters,

When we opposed DACA Amnesty under Obama, our supporters funded our operations. Now that we have opposed it under Trump, our funding is way down.

Should ALIPAC hold the line against DACA or should we adjust our platform and positions on these matters? Our organization's direction will depend on your responses.

Please respond with your answers to our new online poll below by replying to this email at Alerts@alipac.us with your answers included.


ALIPAC Poll 6/29/17


1. There are only four national groups fighting against illegal immigration and one of those groups called Center for Immigration Studies is run by Mark Krikorian. Mr. Krikorian recently told the national media that if he was a member of Congress, he would be willing to trade amnesty for DACA illegals for some enforcement measures or immigration reductions. “If I were a congressman, yeah, I’d probably vote for that,” Mr. Krikorian said. (View Article) Do you feel that...

A. ALIPAC Should change our opposition and begin supporting DACA Amnesty for illegals, or bargain with it now that Trump supports it?
B. ALIPAC Should remain opposed to all forms of Amnesty for illegals including DACA?
C. No Opinion / Unsure
D. Other _________________________ comments.


2. Congress is currently considering some immigration enforcement bills. The danger is that most of our current immigration laws are still unenforced and the GOP Amnesty backers like Representatives Goodlatte, Ryan, McCarthy and others (CLICK TO SEE LIST) have made it clear they want to give illegals "legal status" in this step-by-step process. There are several Amnesty bills Active in Congress at this time (Click to See List).

Are you ...

A. Worried that Congress could slip Amnesty into one of these bills while ALIPAC is completely pinned down by our struggling funds drive?
B. Not worried about Amnesty because Trump is in office?
C. No Opinion / Unsure
D. Other (Provide comments) _______________________________________


3. With Trump taking command of the illegal immigration issue and our anti-Amnesty movement being in disarray at this time, do you trust Donald Trump to veto an "immigration reform" amnesty bill if Congress passes one?

A. Yes
B. No
C. No Opinion / Unsure
D. Other __________________________________________________ __


4. Why do you feel people are not donating to ALIPAC as much this year?

A. Trump is elected and all will be well.
B. Trump is elected and you doubt we can stop Amnesty for illegals now he has flipped on DACA.
C. People are burned out.
D. People are inundated and overwhelmed with emails and letters from other groups because they signed petitions and joined campaigns that sold their info. (ALIPAC never sells your information.)
E. People are afraid.
F. Other (See comments) ____________________________________________


5. Have you donated to ALIPAC.us in 2017?

A. Yes, and the reasons I support ALIPAC are ____________________________________
B. No, and the reasons I am not supporting ALIPAC are _______________________________

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1. B
2. A
3. A
4. F (I think too much Anti-Trump hurts our efforts. Most of the people who support Trump also support our cause. If ALIPAC appears to be against Trump who is the first President in our adult lives to stand strong with our cause, this creates a disturbing divide in people's hearts and minds they don't want to be a part of. We may not win on everything even though I am hoping we do including ending DACA. We are winning on so many things for our cause right now because of Trump, so if he wants to expire DACA rather than cancel it day one, or phase it out, or take his time, I don't have a problem with that and I don't think most people do, so I think we should continue to oppose DACA across the board but also support Trump as he tries so hard to fix this mess that others caused. Just my opinion as to why donations might be down.)

Again, thank you William and Alipac for the strength and leadership and bold stands against illegal immigration you have shown for over 10 years. Thank you for educating the public and for creating a movement for like minded Americans to battle against amnesty together.

I think many people believe with President Trump at the helm, all will be well. They should realize he must hear from the citizenry least he be swept up in the swamp and turn away from promises made and the America First goals. He himself asked us to stay engaged. Keeping the promise to end DACA at the forefront is essential.

In my opinion Alipac should not waiver on its opposition to DACA and should keep reminding President Trump and all that he promised to end DACA and that we expect him to honor his word with action. This should not include a plan to give amnesty through Congress to "dreamers" either. Any idea of Mark Krikorian's to trade DACA for E Verify and other enforcement puts the American people at the short end of the stick again. Haven't we learned this over the past three decades. There is no negotiation with democrats, period, and many republicans are like minded. Amnesty measures always blossom into bigger numbers, leaving the possibility for expansion. They give the amnesty and the enforcements do not occur.


Who is it that Mr. Krikorian thinks would be honorable to negotiate with on a deal such as he proposes? Look at the healthcare debacle. His idea would never be as clean as he describes. Republicans and democrats could not resist widening who is included in any amnesty. And the majority of these foreign citizens will vote democrat and be on the lookout for the day to expand their gift of legalization to family members and possibly those previously deported when a democrat arrives at the White House.

We have seen these foreign citizens, the so called "dreamers," demonstrate against American immigration laws and citizens. Their sense of entitlement and arrogance speaks volumes against any idea to legalize or grant citizenship.

The current director of ICE, Thomas Homan, reminded a group recently that American citizens are separated from their families every day when they break the law. This is what happens when illegal aliens make the choices they make. The citizens should not be forced to pay for their mistakes and law breaking.

Currently, we have the Supreme Court asking about DACA as it relates to drivers licenses in Arizona. We have news today that ten states plan to sue the Trump Administration over DACA if not ended. They recognize its threat to states and to the nation.

Please stand strong against DACA. Do not waiver or compromise. It is a Trojan Horse for millions of illegal aliens to remain in the United States.

Thank you.

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10 State Coalition Threatens Lawsuit if Trump Doesn't End DACA

https://www.alipac.us/f12/10-state-c...d-daca-348314/

Texas AG, Others Demand Trump Phase Out DACA

https://www.alipac.us/f12/texas-ag-o...t-daca-348321/

Texas’ Promise Will End Obama’s DACA Amnesty, Says Immigration Lawyer


https://www.alipac.us/f12/texas%92-p...lawyer-348348/

BRAVO GEORGIAPEACH!!! Excellent post.

End DACA...no path to stay.

And NO refugee chain migration...another damn mess on our hands!

Put refugees in SAFE ZONE on their soil...Trump promised! Deport them out of here.

1. A -- (however with these thoughts -- allowing DACA does not sit well with me and if the DACA amnesty number is 5 million illegal Aliens that number is still too high) -- I oppose any level of amnesty as I think most of us here do and the Legal or lawful correct position is that DACA is unconstitutional illegal because its an executive order not thru Congress and amnesty is just wrong in so many ways, betrayal to America and Citizens and just encourage for it just continue and happen again-- yet the unfortunate reality and the whole strategy of invasion is that by sheer numbers it is logistically difficult or nearly impossible to remove all the invaders --And the illegals and Mexico knows exactly what it has done and is doing (in a sense its Reconquista while globalists see it as simply doing away with Borders, while liberal Left sees it as their means to an end to tear down America and/or get their permanent voting bloc) which is the strategy of invasion and takeover is to hold America hostage, demand/get concessions by squatting on U.S. soil and being public criminal nuisance and then get their invaders in office to allow more illegal invasion.
   - Yet again if we allow ANY kind ofamnesty or a series of small amnesties (like the military enlistamnesty - allow illegals to serve in military to get amnesty whichagain can be another Trojan horse) then we are right back at sayingthis will be the last and Final one-time only Amnesty to solve theproblem which does not work -- which certainly turns into the betrayalscam on America like the Reagan amnesty when the enforcement issimply promised to be done later.
   
   the only way to keep digging down tomake sure illegal Aliens leave is to string out the enforcementpressure on illegals for several years so that illegal Aliens thatare hiding, being harbored their living situation becomes sountenable, no jobs, no welfare, no money that they have no resourcesor burned thru them all that they must leave! In fact we wantillegal shoved so far back into the shadows that they get buried andsuffocate and living in America becomes impossible which is why wethen need Banks, real estate, hospitals, schools to stop servingillegal Aliens who don't have proper documents to do service. We could come to a decree point of understanding and just decree thatillegal Aliens will stay illegal forever -- there never will be anamnesty of any kind and it is their problem to deal with.
   
   
   Border Security, U.S. sovereignty, U.S.immigration Laws are not bargaining chips, not negotiable, thereshould not be this trade off because illegal Aliens are owedNOTHING. BUT see also the damn federal govt and the Congressmanalways try to "find a deal" or some middle ground of BSmush where both sides compromise There is little we can donow but keep opposing ANY amnesty and keep stringing it out toinsure the wall is built, ICE-Border Patrol are built up,Deportations are being done along with the Court system handling andexpediting that quickly and then if we feel sure enough thatAmerica is protected and the same invasion will NEVER happen againthen maybe we can put a final resolve on the problem, relation withMexico and allow some to stay --- BUT again we have a longway to go-- and it will take years -- 10,000's,100,000's,millions of illegal Aliens need to leave or be ejected from the U.S.
   2) A
   3) D-- Maybe --I lean mostly Yes on this answer that Trump would see amnesty and then hearing from us would do the right thing and veto but the problem could occur where he is put in a tough political situation or be influenced by Corporate business that will claim that it is too much of a disruption to the economy -- and see pro-illegal Alien Mexican Jorge Ramos from Univision even made this comment with Tucker Carlson and see that is Jorge Ramos and their Side doing the 'hold America hostage by their occupying presence' to say that our businesses are so entrenched with illegals (like Casinos, Restaurants, Hotels, Construction, Meat industry, Agriculture) that it will be catastrophic for America and Wall Street..... But Trump knows this business aspect too and may reject the business community and say that the time has come that change will have to be done and the Labor Force will have to change -- which then brings us to our questionable Labor Secretary Jim Acosta....
   4) A, B, and C -- also I do think that many Americans can see how gargantuan this problem is and then say (just like said, told by likes of Lindsey Graham) how are we possibly going to deport, remove 11 million People, we have been trying to do this for years -- as well many Americans can be sort of blind to it because it is so stealth where they say illegals are not affecting my life or don't have to worry about such crimes -- so obviously the easier thing is to just let them stay -- and obviously continuing the path of amnesty it will affect all Americans when America is declined and lost entirely
   5) A - Yes and primarily because ALIPAC is truly the American People grassroots and has been incredible successful in being the bulwark against our govt doing their final act of just running us down and gutting America into globalism which would include actions like the "free trade agreement" TPP. Alipac has also fought the fights in the States as well telling illegal Aliens and the Betrayers 'NO' on things like driver licenses, in-state tuition, the Mexican ID card, including 'boots on the ground' protests -- ALIPAC and the American People organized and rose up to stop every single amnesty attempted since the last one way back in 1999 or 2000!
   
   

Great post, RonLaws. So nice to see you here again!!!

Yes, the situation with illegal immigration is so bad, 30 million I believe are already here, but it would have been so much worse without ALIPAC. We may be small and limited financially compared to many activist organizations especially those we fight, but we are mighty.

We will end DACA. Trump has already ended the DACA Expansion of 2014 as well as the DAPA 2014, we only have the smaller earlier program of DACA 2012 to be rid of. That one has about 869,000 people in it so far, of course back in 2012, they lied and said it would only be 500,000.

I love the STATES getting involved and calling for an end to the DACA 2012 as well. I hope at least all the 27 STATES that were part of the DAPA/DACA Expansion lawsuit get on board with Texas and demand an end to the program.

This got a little lengthy but want to share these thoughts with ALIPAC and fellow Patriots: --

Have to comment further on my thoughts and so that we all can be on same page -- There is something to be said about the Trump presidency and how the immigration issue can be 'played' on the American People. It would seem that the DC 'Swamp' establishment that wants to maintain its same illegal corruption operation industry so that nothing really changes -- like its their cushy position and the money along with the globalist vision they have worked long to construct is more important to protect - (our hijacked government by Elites) which goes along with worthless Republican establishment party can try to use Trump's popularity or overall theme of MAGA success for America to bury the immigration issue under to achieve an underhanded, under the table amnesty -- this is kind of what they attempted with the very first run-up to the healthcare repeal bill in April -- remember Paul Ryan keeping the already constructed healthcare bill secret and then just popping it out and then saying hurry up and pass this now -- which was kind of using Trump's rah-rah-rah political capital with the People to essentially pass a bad worthless healthcare bill that repealed nothing -- that did fail because Rand Paul (and couple others) stood up and spoke out thank goodness --- but I do also think Congress knows well that the Border and the illegal Alien invasion is such a volatile toxic issue that they know they can't possibly trick their way about it -- in this way JUDY's comments above speak to the broader picture that does influence in that Trump is the real outsider and is doing so many other good things that we cannot turn on or damage the Trump presidency too much, and will want him in 2020-- BUT if Trump does not fulfill some of the promises or turns wrongly he could jeopardize his support and I think he knows this -- however I do think it is good that ALIPAC and us hold Trump accountable, hold DHS Sec. Kelly accountable and to speak out harshly if need be so that they stay corrected.
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Also some other subject comment here -- these are comments, ideas, letters I have sent to my Congressmen on the immigration issue --- Myself and most other Americans simplyhave to oppose any rewarding of illegal Aliens with legal status,temporary probations, ID cards of any type or anything at all as theillegal Alien population needs to be significantly reduced, henceremoved. There needs to be no new immigration legislation, no newtaxes to pay for illegal Aliens as the priority has to be doing rightby, for America for a long sustained time so that illegal Aliensrealize there is no reward in the end, there is no future amnesty,there is nothing coming to help them stay or live in America. We thePeople cannot accept a promise of the 'final, last one-time only'amnesty action or allowing a bit by bit release of amnesty actionssuch as ENLIST for the military that renew encouragement for thedrive of more illegal Aliens on America without significant progressof Border Security - building the Wall, internal enforcement. Thishas to be so for at a minimum of 2-3 years but really needs to be 5-8years and on. We the People want and American sovereignty deservesto have illegal entry, illegal immigration ENDED for good so thatthis NEVER happens again! I can assure you there are Liberals,Globalists, business entities that think that after a time of Trumpand Republicans sometime in the future they will just start the samemass illegal Alien invasion again, and so without permanent fixes toenforcement or physical structures like the Border Wall, 287genforcement measures with detention jails - they will again justcontinue sanctuary cities and have the Border Patrol lay down, not doits job -- and that some of these rotten Entities that live among uswant America tore down and using illegal Aliens from Latin America orTerrorists to achieve it is no bother to them!!! -- per John Kerry'snoted concept of a "borderless world" hence 'open Borders'. Mexico is not a U.S. State, if Mexico wants to be a U.S. State sothere is no Border then it needs to be annexed and come under theU.S. flag and we get all of its resources too, like oil - do we wantall its severe 3rd world problems? - no we don't. Mexico is pridefultoo and would not want to come under the U.S. flag.


Now do we see how bad of what has takenplace with the Nation of Mexico, of allowing a mass illegal intrusion(invasion), even facilitating the trampling of our Laws and U.S.Citizen People with our own tax money?! The ILLEGAL invasionimmigration issue is messing up nearly every single other issue(healthcare, jobs, wages, elections, schools, terrorism, Statebudgets, State crimes) that even extends out to posturing, angling onissues based on how it may impact illegal Aliens!! Allowing aforeign invasion is clearly a most asinine action for any Nation. And to have the media, votes via welfare democrats laugh anddisregard U.S. decline, U.S. Laws (sanctuary cities), Citizen deathsin order to serve illegal Aliens is a vicious, atrocious slam on U.S.integrity and American families. How failed NAFTA is, or anopen-Border globalist view that makes the U.S. no longer even aNation with U.S. Laws and sovereignty shows there is no place for anamnesty action. The U.S. does not owe illegal Aliens anything, andillegal Aliens do not have to get anything, forever - they can remainforever illegal. America, U.S. Citizens are not to be held hostage,yield to demands or be penalized because of illegal Aliens. It isnot OK, for the U.S. federal government to be betraying its oath toU.S. Laws, the Nation based on the wants of Wall Street or money orthe federal government's false operation to foster or be a boardingoperation for its own illegal Alien population or industry. The DACAamnesty should NOT be maintained as a profiting money scheme by thefederal government to keep illegal Aliens paying fees for reapplyingfor their illegal 'work permits' --DACA is unconstitutional illegalas well and it is the illegal Alien parents fault of illegal entry.As well Illegal Immigration is a net negative impact, costs $113Billion annually, while also criminally harming America and oursociety, community.


I know there are elements, forces,Groups, Business wants that say we need to do something with illegalAliens. It unacceptable to hold an illegal invasion on America as athreat in saying there will be just too much disruption to businessor society and that we better accommodate illegal Alien demands,Mexico's meddling in our affairs. NO, business will have to changetheir labor force and adjust and that is what change and 'PuttingAmerica First' will come to mean. The status quo of the constructedillegal Alien industry must be uprooted and come to an end -- thatmeans immigration Lawyers (AILA), Foundations (Ford, ACLU), GeorgeSoros (funding National Council La Raza, Mecha, MALDEF, LULAC) beingdriven into futility and ended. We also need most of the MexicanConsulates shuttered and closed down with one in every single U.S.State there should be 45 Consulates closed! The Hispanic Caucus orother Congressmen are not to be serving the Mexican flag when theirallegiance should be with the U.S. Flag -- this is an infiltratorproblem we now see in positions like the LA Mayor, all acrossCalifornia. In fact California, thanks to Jerry Brown is just aboutseceded to come under the Mexican flag -- lost U.S. territory -- whatdoes that say about weakness of the United States, that we weretrampled and taken over, what does that message send to the ShariaIslamic terror community that is attempting to take over Europe?? The illegal Alien invasion to say 'we are just nice migrant workers'is a strategy of invasion by occupation by numbers that worse so theyknow provides cover for more of their illegal Alien buddies and worseprovides the cover and holes in laws (sanctuary cities) to thenoperate and build up for a terrorist attack! NO foreign entity isto dictate, influence our elections, hold us hostage to tell us whatour immigration laws are going to be!

ALSO:
"Sanctuary Cities" which is afalse PC name for Outlaw Cities or 'Cities aiding Invaders' has tocome to an END! There is no room or place for separate littlecolonies of foreign law that usurps U.S. Laws or U.S. Sovereigntythat facilitates law-breaking and anti-America anti-U.S. Citizenabuse and cost across a whole range of issues, societal impacts, thateventually leads to 'open Borders' hence no American Country andtearing down of America. President 0bama used Federal threat ofdefunding (money) States and Cities to coerce and impose manyactions, regulations, one big example being Common Core education sothe Trump Administration and Pro-America forces are justified toDEFUND these Outlaw Cities. In fact, with Jerry Brown's pro-illegalAlien pro-Mexican flag takeover of California, the entire State ofCalifornia should be defunded! It is a false and oxymoron(contradictory) statement that illegal Aliens won't report crime orare part of an "immigrant community" that will suffer orhave to stay in shadows when they themselves are illegal and part ofcollective illegal Alien occupation problem and that if immigrationlaws are enforced or simply that illegal Aliens found by State orlocal police be turned over to federal ICE Agents by the 287g programis an overly burdensome request. In fact it is exactly opposite thatan illegal Alien mass number intrusion and collective law-breakinginvasion blackmail squatting on U.S. Soil provides cover and excusesfor their criminal activity as well as worse severe felony crimessuch as homicide, gangs or even terrorists on the U.S. Democrats areto be exposed for using their double standard -- that during Obamayears States, Localities could not enforce immigration protectionsbecause immigration is Federal Law domain -- but now during TrumpAdmin. try to say that "sanctuary Cities", States can enacttheir own immigration laws violating Federal Law. Nope Democratscan't have it both ways and tear down the U.S. in the process inorder to get their welfare laden voting bloc. Illegal Aliens are notto intrude the U.S. commit multiple crimes (ID, fraud, welfarestealing) and then have it their way and live comfortable because thedeterrence has to be there to maintain integrity of system to insurethat Immigrants enter the U.S. legally!

In LETTER to Trump:
Please VETO any legislation fromCongress that increases Legal Immigration as it is not necessary andit is merely a means for wealthy Elites to further grow theirwallets, bank accounts but at the expense of American jobs, wages(that includes struggling Black, Latino Citizens) as well as newGraduates trying to find jobs while worsening America's assimilationstruggles. Increasing Legal Immigration whether by H-2B Visas, H1-BVisas or increasing caps on foreign worker visas (legislation S.1040now created in Senate) is also a manner for these sellout Americaforces to get around the illegal 'open Border' immigration that theyare now lacking. Growing the economy does not have to come byimmigration that many Wash DC, U.S. Chamber of Commerce andCorporates treat as their continual easy 'honey-pot' and immigrationto the U.S. is not just a matter of business or money.


We ALREADY take in 1.4 million LEGALImmigrants per year and that is plenty. Do not listen to 'openBorder' advocates such as the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), that created NAFTA to eventually get to no longer having a U.S.Country at all via no (open) Borders that are trying to achieve asthe same model as the EU and simply call it the North American Union(which essentially is the death of America,Constitution). The Forcesof harmful monetary sellout of America to enrich themselves will useCongress in trickery and insert hard to find immigration details intolegislation. Do not listen to other pro-'open Border' advocates onimmigration such as the Wall Street Journal, U.S. Chamber ofCommerce, Immigration Lawyers, National Restaurant Association,American Hotel Associations, etc. We are calling on Congress to stoptheir debauchery ways that just keeps this problem the same and forCongress and government bureaucracy agencies to serve the America andAmericans that 'Puts America First' rather than wants of money orserving foreign Nations or foreign demands. NAFTA was set up as theGlobalists beginning excuse to achieve their end vision of a'Borderless world' or end of America via 'open Borders'. NAFTAshould be scrapped whereby regular trade agreements could be donebetween Mexico and Canada. "Free Trade" agreements areactually a construct that is meant to disadvantage America andentangles the U.S. in international laws that disserves America andserves Globalist vision.

Hi RonLaws. Thank you for your first post and comments. Reading your added comments now.

The open borders lobby made it very clear after we defeated their Bush backed Amnesty bills in 2006 and 2007 that their new strategy was to pursue Amnesty for illegal alien "Dreamers" first and then once that goal was achieved use the leverage and political power of the Dreamer army to gain amnesty for most other illegal aliens.

Then they will go for full gun confiscation to make sure the American public has no recourse or defense for what they have planned for us next that will likely result in the deaths of millions of our citizens just like Cambodia, the USSR, China, N. Korea, Vietnam, Uraguay, etc....

W