1954 "Operation Wetback". Bit of history.

"Operation Wetback was a 1954 operation by the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) to remove about one million illegal immigrants from the southwestern United States, focusing on Mexican nationals.

The effort began in California and Arizona, and coordinated 1075 Border Patrol agents, along with state and local police agencies, to mount an aggressive crackdown. Tactics employed included going as far as systematic police sweeps of Mexican-American neighborhoods, and random stops and ID checks of "Mexican-looking" people in a region with many Native Americans and native Hispanics. In some cases, illegal aliens were deported along with their American-born children. Some 750 agents targeted agricultural areas with a goal of 1,000 apprehensions per day. By the end of July, over 50,000 illegal aliens were caught in the two states. An estimated 488,000 illegal immigrants are claimed to have left voluntarily, for fear of being apprehended. By September, 80,000 had been taken into custody in Texas, and the INS estimated that 500,000 to 700,000 had left Texas of their own accord. To discourage illicit re-entry, buses and trains took many deportees deep within Mexican territory prior to releasing them. Tens of thousands more were deported by two chartered ships, the Emancipation and the Mercurio. The ships ferried them from Port Isabel, Texas, to Veracruz, Mexico, more than 500 miles (800 kilometers) to the south. Some were taken as far as 1,000 miles. Deportation by sea was ended after seven deportees jumped overboard from the Mercurio and drowned, provoking a mutiny that led to a public outcry in Mexico."

This was all done by President Dwight D. Eisenhower. They deported mass illegals at a dirt cheap price in comparison. No huge civil cases involved just crackdowns and if no papers your deported end of story. If illegals had children in the US they were deported along with the parents even if born on American Soil.

Sounding like this is what we need today. No civil rights, no judicial trial, have your papers or get deported as far south as possible by any means necessary. We did it before, why not again. Instead now it costs upwards of $6k per illegal to be deported because of all the extra crap we go through.

Maybe its time we remind America that we've done it in the past and it worked and held up, we can do it again. Crack down hard on the border states while we start ramping up for other states. After seeing mass deportions on the border states hopefully rest will willingly leave vs crackdowns that would be very harsh.

Yes and as far as I know it is being done in other countries around the planet and when a euro-descent nation does it nobody screams racism and takes them to court against themselves or pleas to a world court expecting a different and higher standard from them than they do for themselves. Other nations do not shoot themselves in the foot in this type of matter. Some keep the immigrants in "camps" for years.


But honestly for me now I am half in and half out of this battle for multiple reasons including our economic decline could mean continued US citizen diaspora around the planet. Already many citizens with means have abandoned us and resettled in other nations. How huge this problem is I cannot know but I think that the recent tax debacle proved the point that the rich need not stay to create jobs for us. I do not believe that successful resolution of the illegal immigration problem will save the US from the mess we are now in. It might help some.

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To discourage illicit re-entry, buses and trains took many deportees deep within Mexican territory prior to releasing them. Tens of thousands more were deported by two chartered ships, the Emancipation and the Mercurio. The ships ferried them from Port Isabel, Texas, to Veracruz, Mexico, more than 500 miles (800 kilometers) to the south. Some were taken as far as 1,000 miles.

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IMO that was the key element. Leaving people to spend a night in a border town isn't accomplishing anything.

I knew I saw this thread here somewhere, Syanis are you an Archaeologist?

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Originally Posted by vistalad

IMO that was the key element. Leaving people to spend a night in a border town isn't accomplishing anything.

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Yup but if the border was secured properly it wouldn't be such a huge issue not having to take them too far. But theres only 1 way I can come up with to secure the border and thats with the military which is a hot debate.

Let me point out that even though this article is of a historical nature and absolutely true our enemies (SPLC) will say Alipac is a hate group that allows racist terms like "Wetback" to be used on their site. :evil:

We aren't a hate group however and its quoted from histories termonology simple as that. Tried to avoid it looking like a racist thing and quoted from wiki's historical set.

I agree though we do need to make sure we don't pose as racists as thats not our intention or our beliefs. Blame President Eisenhower who named it :)

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Originally Posted by sarum

Yes and as far as I know it is being done in other countries around the planet and when a euro-descent nation does it nobody screams racism and takes them to court against themselves or pleas to a world court expecting a different and higher standard from them than they do for themselves. Other nations do not shoot themselves in the foot in this type of matter. Some keep the immigrants in "camps" for years.


But honestly for me now I am half in and half out of this battle for multiple reasons including our economic decline could mean continued US citizen diaspora around the planet. Already many citizens with means have abandoned us and resettled in other nations. How huge this problem is I cannot know but I think that the recent tax debacle proved the point that the rich need not stay to create jobs for us. I do not believe that successful resolution of the illegal immigration problem will save the US from the mess we are now in. It might help some.

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The root of the economy is consumers. The rich do not create jobs they only wedge themselves in between consumers and goods/services. The rich would have us believe they are the root, but they are not. And not all jobs are for rich companies anyway. In any case, any job in any company is created and supported by consumer need not by the companyy.

Ha Ha. Amen RedPony. But the point is that if they remain here and remain US citizens we can take them to court and have hope of obtaining fairness, restitution and the rest of that illusory dream but once they renounce citizenship and take our TARP funds or whatever, elsewhere, we have no hope. Then again, looking at how our government capitulated to BP over the whole Gulf fiasco, that is capitalism run amok and only the world court will be able to address the poisoning of the seven seas, if ever.

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Ha Ha. Amen RedPony. But the point is that if they remain here and remain US citizens we can take them to court and have hope of obtaining fairness, restitution and the rest of that illusory dream but once they renounce citizenship and take our TARP funds or whatever, elsewhere, we have no hope. Then again, looking at how our government capitulated to BP over the whole Gulf fiasco, that is capitalism run amok and only the world court will be able to address the poisoning of the seven seas, if ever.

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Sarum:
Maybe we are better off if they leave. They are rotten anyway. Don't think this would not be without a period of painful adjustment....but in the long run we would be better off. After all, this country started without them and it can restart without them. This country started with nothing and we can do it again. And I repeat, it would be painful. But there was plenty of pain getting the country started a couple decades ago too. Let em clear out and good riddens to them. Once they lose their foothold here, they really dont have chit and will go into decline. That is the only way I see that we can save this country is to get rid of the rotten deadwood. Just like if you max out your credit cards....it is painful to cut them up. But in the long run you are no longer a slave and the day comes when it pays off.