Thread: HILLARY CLINTON HEALTH PLAN NOT FOR ILLEGALS ????

Clinton Health Plan for Americans Only

By BETH FOUHY



Democratic Presidential hopeful, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y. talks on a cell phone upon her arrival at a Presidential Health Care Forum, sponsored by Families USA and the Federation of American Hospitals, Thursday, Oct. 18, 2007, in Washington.

WASHINGTON - Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton said Thursday that immigrants living in the U.S. illegally would not be covered by her proposed universal health care plan.

The New York senator said she supports basic health services for illegal immigrants, including hospitalization and treatment of acute conditions. But she said the magnitude of the nation's health care challenge means her universal coverage proposal would not cover the 12 million people living in the country illegally.

"People who are here legally deserve some better treatment and acceptance in the law than people who are not here legally," she said. "These are hard choices."

As for ways to reduce pressure on the overburdened health care system, she said she could envision using "carrots and maybe a few sticks" to motivate people to lose weight and make other behavioral changes that could help.

Speaking at a forum sponsored by several health care organizations, Clinton addressed a range of questions on the future of Social Security and Medicare, racial and gender disparities in health care coverage and ways to encourage medical students to become primary care doctors rather than specialists.

Most of all, there were questions about her proposed $110 billion health care plan and how it would bring order to a fractured system.

She didn't directly address questions of whether smokers or obese people should pay more for health care but said as president she would use the "bully pulpit" to encourage healthy lifestyle choices, particularly among young people.

Clinton, who has publicly fretted about her weight, drew laughs as she recalled competing for presidential physical fitness awards as a child.

"We were rounded up and taken to the gym where we had to jump and run. I was horrible at it. They kept telling me to run and I'd say, 'I'm running,'" she said. "It was a very strong message to children that the president cares about your health care. I personally believed Presidents Eisenhower and Kennedy were sitting in the White House signing my certificate."

The former first lady also spoke about her failure to enact universal coverage during her husband's presidency, assuring audience members that she would not repeat the mistakes that doomed that effort.

Among other things, she said it had been a mistake to try to draft the plan out of the White House, and that as president she had no intention of producing the specific legislation for Congress to consider.

"I'm setting goals for the country. But I know how important it is to work out the details in consultation with the Congress," she said.

Clinton scoffed at suggestions from Republican presidential rivals that her plan is little more than socialized medicine, calling them "old, tired accusations."

The Republican National Committee said her "government-run health care plan" would be paid for through hire taxes on hardworking people.

"Senator Clinton encourages people to lead healthy lifestyles, which will occur as they run from her plan to socialize medicine, just as they did in 1993," RNC spokesman Danny Diaz said.

Clinton acknowledged the need to bring a broad spectrum of interests together in order to enact her proposed plan

"I think we'll have a very strong coalition that will be able to make the case to Congress," she said. "Nobody will come out of this process with 100 percent of what he or she wants."

Clinton also said the task would be made easier if more Democrats were elected to the Senate in 2008.

"It's one of my highest priorities," she said.

A service of the Associated Press(AP)

http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2007/10 ... c0bsg0.txt

Oh please, like she wasn't at the La Raza spectacle telling them it would absolutely cover illegals!!!

Nice try, Hill; but NO cigar for YOU

WASHINGTON - Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton said Thursday that immigrants living in the U.S. illegally would not be covered by her proposed universal health care plan.

Yeah right there receiving services now! How do you propose you keep them from applying? Most cities you can't even ask for their citizen status as you have the American Communist Liberties Union(ACLU), La Raza, etc, waiting in the wings like the vultures they are to sue as soon as the sob stories start pouring out that they could not receive care for their poor sick children!

First thing I thought of when I read this was that she will make the illegals legal. Therefore, the health care plan won't cover illegals. See? Easy peasy.

This lady flip flops more than anyone in Politics... next week she will include them.... or even worse say what she has to say to get elected

This country cannot survive another Bush or Clinton

Don't believe a word she says about this. Dick Morris has been on talk radio publicizing the fact that Hillarycare would cover illegals by taxing the middle class, and this is likely her poll-tested response.

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Call the Senate: NO Dream Act or AgJOBS Amnesties !

People who are here legally deserve some better treatment and acceptance in the law than people who are not here legally," she said. "These are hard choices."

Hillary believes citizens deserve "some" better treatment and acceptance...you think..????!


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Call the Senate: NO Dream Act or AgJOBS Amnesties !

Who does Hillary think she is kidding when she say the Health plan would not be extended to illegal aliens. It would be extended to anchor babies and over 200,000 are born each years . She is not saying very much because the majority of the children of illegal aliens are not foreign born but are American born.
Anchor babies that are not covered by medicaid is covered by SCHIP.

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Immigrant Children at Risk
According to a 1998 study by the National Research Council and Institute of Medicine, one in five children under age 18 (14 million) is either an immigrant or is a member of an immigrant family. Three-fourths of the children are U.S. citizens (born in the United States), while the remaining one-fourth are noncitizens. Since 1990, the number of children in immigrant families has risen seven times faster than the number in U.S.-born families, and they are more likely than those with U.S.-born parents to live in poverty and are less likely to have health insurance and to receive medical care. For example, first-generation immigrant children are three times as likely as children with U.S.-born parents to lack health insurance, and second-generation children are twice as likely to lack it.

In New York, meanwhile, a series of focus groups found that parents are often unaware of Medicaid and SCHIP eligibility requirements and face significant barriers in enrolling their children, including a complex and lengthy Medicaid enrollment process; eligibility workers who are uninformed and who discourage enrollment; and language, literacy and cultural barriers. (7) The complex eligibility determinations also consume significant staff time because caseworkers must first determine whether the child is eligible for Medicaid. That process requires submission of a Social Security number, financial status, age of the child, size of the family and residency and immigration status. If the child is ineligible for Medicaid, the SCHIP application is processed. Different family income calculations are also involved for each program.


Citizen children who are applying for Medicaid or SCHIP may establish citizenship on the basis of self-declaration (i.e., "I attest under penalty of perjury, that I am a citizen or national of the United States.") Immigrant children must provide documentation of their immigrant status, which must be verified by states with the INS. (12) Although the citizenship or immigration status of nonapplicant parents and other household members is irrelevant to the child's eligibility, immigrant families may not be confident that their status will not be investigated.


Social Security Number and Income. A Social Security number is not required for SCHIP applicants, though it is required for applicants and recipients of Medicaid benefits. If an applicant does not have a Social Security number, the state is obligated to assist with obtaining one from the Social Security Administration (SSA). SSA cannot give numbers to illegal immigrants.

"Mixed Status" Families

Many immigrant children live in "mixed status" households in which one or more parents is a noncitizen and one or more children is a citizen. That means some children in the family may be eligible for SCHIP, while others may not. A child entering the United States after Aug, 22, 1996, for example, would be ineligible for SCHIP, while siblings born in the country would be eligible. Nearly one in 10 U.S. families with children is of mixed-status, comprising legal immigrants, refugees, undocumented immigrants and/or naturalized citizens. (16) That variation in eligibility within families may affect the parents' decision to seek benefits and may complicate the provision of services such as immunizations or treatment of communicable diseases.


California has publicized its SCHIP program through advertising in English and Spanish on radio, television and billboards and is now focusing on local ethnic media and talk shows, especially for the Latino population. It also conducts outreach through corporate sponsorships such as drug stores, grocery stores, public transit and utilities.

In addition, the state has simplified and shortened the application form from 28 pages to four and has translated it from English into 10 languages (Spanish, Vietnamese, Cambodian, Laotian, Hmong, Armenian, Cantonese, Korean, Russian and Farsi). Application assistance is available through a toll-free telephone number with multilingual staff available to answer eligibility questions and public charge concerns. The state also trained 15,000 people in 3,000 community-based organizations (CBOs) to be certified application assistants. The CBOs initially received a state-funded incentive payment of $25 per approved application, later increased to $50.

Read more;

http://www.ncsl.org/programs/health/for ... ntchildren

If this is true, then Hillarious Clinton is finally seeing the light. But the way she pandered to the LaRaza scum, I don't trust her. If she does become president (let's hope not!) she will probably surprise everyone with another health care plan that would somehow include the illegal alien criminal lawbreakers.

Anchor Babies!!!!!!!

Dixie