Thread: Why doesnt ALIPAC support a national id card?

This may be a very stupid question to ask but as someone who does independent contract work for more than 20 years and seen it all; we can honestly state; without a national id we dont know who is who; who's ssn belongs to whom and who has the right to work here.

The other issue is e verify doesnt deal with independent contract work as thats exempts under the I 9 so thats not going to help get illegals out of alot of jobs they are currently doing.

What other system would anyone suggest that is going to work and deal with so many people working under some one elses ssn that they are not supposed to be doing already under federal law. It just seems that a national id like your drivers license or state id; linked to your ssn would be the most sensible.

Because

1. We are free Americans and Americans have always stood up against privacy invading tracking technologies like these proposed national IDs.

2. The same power groups that have dominated our government in DC also want national ID. National ID is not a solution to illegal immigration, it is a tool being offered by the Globalists that really want a trans national ID.

While researching their documents, we found the same big groups behind the machinery bringing the illegals in and trying to legalize them and turn them into voters also want a national biometric ID with facial recognition technology.

so basically, they want you, the illegals, and all Americans, Mexicans, and Canadians (perhaps later even more nations) in the same big brother tracking network so they no longer mess with pesky things like borders.

So if you support the current national ID plans, you are in effect supporting the plans of those responsible for the unlawful discarding of our existing immigration and border laws.

On the other hand, you already have an SSN, which is used as a defacto ID (required by law for banks, which supports identify theft in its current form, and is used by many others such as doctors) and contributes to the current mess. I already have a biometric card where I work. The key isn't having a card, it's under what scenarios you are required to use it for proof of identify. I would resist using it to, say, make purchases, but not to enter work, the country, or be hired. For what scenarios would it be used, would it be secure from forgery, and accurate?

When your SSNs are used by illegals and the other information from their employer doesn't match yours, Social Security Administration puts the unmatched funds into a separate bucket. This bucket holds quite alot of money, and many politicians are well aware of this. They like that it is there.

Your credit cards and financial transactions already track more information about you than the government does. The government has to go through legal hoops to collect PII (personnally identifying information), but it can link up to private industry databases using SSN and other PII. There has been no privacy for a long time.

Many in the security community believe that a biometric card would solve numerous problems. They are not all open border supporters--many to the contrary. There is much to consider, however, if one is implemented, including safeguards and process, and setting one up would take a long, long time and be expensive if it addressed all citizens. If I remember correctly, a biometric card cost about $125 per person, including a quick background check to verify the person. That would be $6,250 million to do 50 million people only. Even if costs come down for volume, it would take a lot to do the whole country. There would have to be several companies/employers enlisted to do this to bring it off, and the risk of fraud (bribe to be a citizen) is increased by the massive number of people who would be involved.

If a biometric card were started, the implementation scenario would likely be that new SSN cards would have to be issued using them. That would be decades to fix the problem, and it would give the impression that illegal immigration has been fixed now, drawing attention away from the issue.

The ACLU has fought against any kind of card like this for a long time (they are not always left or right, as some might believe). Many of their arguments make sense, others not so much for me. You might be interested in reading about some of their positions on court cases.

I am not opposed to biometric cards under the right circumstances, but the logistics don't make sense in light of our current illegal alien crisis. In my work, the issuing of a card is well-controlled, but it is not on the massive scale of a whole country.

Watson, you can't attach a chip to a SS# unless you have both on a card or some other medium. SS fraud is one thing, but having a chip that tracks your every monetary and physical move would be hell, literallly. If you give this kind of power to the government, it will surely abuse it.

This idea won't work in the first place because the technology doesn't really work. It only works if you cooperate. The data on the card can be easily altered using a computer program. But as we all know illegals don't obey the law in the first place. So they will get a fake card that makes it look like they are somebody else. The real reason why the oligarchy wants it is becaus it just makes it easier for the oligarchy to control the law abiding citizens. And at the same time make huge profits by forcing everybody to get one of these cards and pay $125 when it cost maybe $2 to make it. But the illegals, welfare loafers, bums, etc. won't have to pay the $125. You will pay for them. That's how the oligarchy plans to work this game if it becomes law.

Originally Posted by Justthatguy

And at the same time make huge profits by forcing everybody to get one of these cards and pay $125 when it cost maybe $2 to make it.

This sort of crap is already happening in the construction industry. IA construction workers were dying left and right on the job because of unsafe working conditions. OSHA passed new laws mandating EVERY CONSTRUCTION WORKER has to obtain a safety license every couple of years...cost $150. There are separate license for those who need to use man lifts, cherry pickers, etc costing $250 every few years. There is a license required to work on scaffolding more than 2 sections high, cost $200.

I've been a Union Mechanic since 1976 and had to attend training classes (Mandatory) where I learned absolutely nothing I didn't already know.

It's like forcing every driver in America to take driving instruction classes every few years to renew their license. I bet they'll eventually mandate that too.

We got a new license just over 4 years ago and we had to take off our glasses to get the photo done. Must be due to biometrics? or the glare from the glasses? Dont know really.

We hear what everyone is saying but most people drive and you are required in all 50 states to have that license when you drive dont you? so what would the big deal be to use that or a state id if you dont have a license as the national id?

CO where we live does a thorough vetting of who can get a license / id card and its also linked to your ssn so if the govt was allowed to continuing doing it; we cant see them taking alot of phony documents providing we have safeguards in place for the documents (ie the puetro rico birth certificates.) It cost then about $25 though its since gone up to get it as well.

If we want to check a book out; cash a cheque and do so many other things daily; we need id so dont understand the big deal as someone has already said; the govt is already watching.

We have lived overseas and the same thing goes on in those countries already. Many cities like NYC have cameras to catch people doing everything from going through red lights to who knows what else. After living in London; its normal over there.

Originally Posted by Rockfish

Watson, you can't attach a chip to a SS# unless you have both on a card or some other medium. SS fraud is one thing, but having a chip that tracks your every monetary and physical move would be hell, literallly. If you give this kind of power to the government, it will surely abuse it.

I already have a biometric card where I work. The key isn't having a card, it's under what scenarios you are required to use it for proof of identify. I would resist using it to, say, make purchases, but not to enter work, the country, or be hired. For what scenarios would it be used, would it be secure from forgery, and accurate?

Well, duh friend. I have no idea how you came to that conclusion, given I was discussing biometric cards!

I went on to show that using one for the entire nation is infeasible. I believe the original questioner deserved a discussion.

Originally Posted by Watson

Originally Posted by Rockfish

Watson, you can't attach a chip to a SS# unless you have both on a card or some other medium. SS fraud is one thing, but having a chip that tracks your every monetary and physical move would be hell, literallly. If you give this kind of power to the government, it will surely abuse it.

I already have a biometric card where I work. The key isn't having a card, it's under what scenarios you are required to use it for proof of identify. I would resist using it to, say, make purchases, but not to enter work, the country, or be hired. For what scenarios would it be used, would it be secure from forgery, and accurate?

Well, duh friend. I have no idea how you came to that conclusion, given I was discussing biometric cards!

I went on to show that using one for the entire nation is infeasible. I believe the original questioner deserved a discussion.

I am not opposed to biometric cards under the right circumstances,...

This is probably where you are confused, Watson. Not under any circumstances, none whatsoever, understand?

Originally Posted by Rockfish

Originally Posted by Watson

Originally Posted by Rockfish

Watson, you can't attach a chip to a SS# unless you have both on a card or some other medium. SS fraud is one thing, but having a chip that tracks your every monetary and physical move would be hell, literallly. If you give this kind of power to the government, it will surely abuse it.

I already have a biometric card where I work. The key isn't having a card, it's under what scenarios you are required to use it for proof of identify. I would resist using it to, say, make purchases, but not to enter work, the country, or be hired. For what scenarios would it be used, would it be secure from forgery, and accurate?

Well, duh friend. I have no idea how you came to that conclusion, given I was discussing biometric cards!

I went on to show that using one for the entire nation is infeasible. I believe the original questioner deserved a discussion.

[quote:3mwz5fb9]I am not opposed to biometric cards under the right circumstances,...

This is probably where you are confused, Watson. Not under any circumstances, none whatsoever, understand?[/quote:3mwz5fb9]

Just because I disagree with you view doesn't make me confused.