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    WHY OPPOSE LEGALIZATION

    Marijuana, called weed, is a weed. The idea that a weed can be regulated, is speculative. Can we tax and regulate dandelions?

    Poppot’s reasons to oppose marijuana legalization are:


    1) Legalization is promoted as a new and fast way to make money. The National Cannabis Industry Association describes the marijuana business summit in Denver on June 24-25, 2014: “Where Commerce Meets Revolution.” The marijuana lobby has advanced its cause as a money-making activity during the Great Recession. As the mortgage industry sold itself with the goal of quick profits on the backs of others, the pot industry is pushing marijuana as the next great “get-rich” quick scheme for sales entrepreneurs.


    2) Like the tobacco industry, the marijuana industry knows that in order to keep a a steady stream of buyers, young and under-aged users need to get “hooked” on their product.


    3) Every time pro-pot propagandists put out their message, they send a message to the children that pot is harmless. The issue of pot legalization is not about adult users and their freedom, but the deceptive messages aimed at the young. This message can only get stronger after marijuana advertising becomes legal.


    4) The talk of legalizing marijuana raises the risk that someone who cares for your child — a babysitter, a bus driver, day care worker or teacher — may be under the influence and endangering the child. A recent 20/20 segment showed the problem of lifeguards on pot.

    Last summer a crane operator in Philadelphia killed 6 and injured 13 while demolishing a building. He tested positive for recent usage of marijuana. The pot lobby’s suggestion that marijuana comes without harm raises the risk that our children will be harmed by someone using marijuana, or will harm themselves with it.

    5) Claims that legalizing marijuana would put criminals and cartels out of business are not based on fact. The Washington Postreported that Mexican cartels have switched to selling heroin in response to pot’s legalization in Colorado. We have heroin epidemics in many parts of the country. Most of the young people who have died from heroin began their drug use with marijuana. Isn’t legalization just making the downfall from drugs faster?


    Tax and Regulate Won’t Work


    6) Claims that legalization will bring in tax money don’t account for the cost of drug abuse, drug education and health care. Since mental health treatment is now mandated and the US has universal health care, the true cost of legalization could be 10 times greater than the tax income, which will require a bureaucracy to regulate and collect.

    7) Claims that the justice system is unfair and that the War on Drugs hasn’t worked appeal to the strong anti-government, anti-regulatory sentiment. There are easier ways to keep unjust punishments from happening, like changing the sentencing guidelines. Smart Approaches to Marijuana proposes a different, health-based approach to justice. The percentage of people who go to jail for marijuana aloneis less than 1 % of those in state prisons. Most places do not incarcerate for marijuana possession unless other crimes are committed. The record has been intentionally exaggerated to sway public opinion.


    Marijuana legalization has no precedent in the modern world. In the Netherlands, where marijuana has been tolerated in coffeehouse since the 1970s, recent restrictions were put in place. Uruguay, which has 3-1/2 million people, is the only country that has legalized marijuana, and only within the past year. The jury is still out on it. To compare to US to smaller, less powerful countries without diverse populations is faulty logic.

    In Great Britain, more comparable the US, cannabis was transferred from a class B drug to class C in 2004, removing the threat of arrest for possession. In response to the problems seen and after noting a marked increase in mental health problems, including bipolar disorder and schizophrenia, it was reclassified back to Class B in 2009. Sweden and Denmark, for example, tightened their laws on marijuana and saw all forms of drug abuse go down.

    9) Those who compare marijuana prohibition to alcohol prohibition don’t mention that AA (Alcoholics Anonymous) was founded in 1935, the year after the 13-year prohibition ended.
    Marijuana lobbyists state that the 1937 Act which put nationwide marijuana prohibition in place, was a conspiracy. They don’t mention that California banned it in 1913, New York in 1914 and at least 30 states by 1930. Why ignore past experience?
    Not Safer than Alcohol

    10) Marijuana is not safer than alcohol. There are 450,000 hospital emergency room visits for marijuana in the US each year, higher than for alcohol, and this alone is a huge public health cost. While driving stoned is slightly less risky than driving drunk, stoned driving is not safe at all, and has been the cause of many deaths in Colorado since 2009, when medical marijuana became an industry.

    11) Regulation is not working in Colorado and Washington and medical marijuana provides a cover for pot abuse in California and other states. Despite the popularity and high cost of marijuana in Colorado, the taxes have fallen short of expectation and don’t include the other societal costs, including children killed in fires and toddlers taken to hospital emergency room after ingesting marijuana edibles.

    12) Comparisons to individuals who used marijuana with no apparent harm to their mental capacity are deceptive. Steve Jobs may have used pot, but few people begin with an IQ comparable to his. Astronomer Carl Sagan sung the praises of marijuana, but never used it before age 27, after his brain stopped developing. Winston Churchill was a brilliant statesman and an alcoholic, but his example can’t prove that alcohol abuse comes without harm.

    13) We don’t know which young people will use marijuana and be negatively affected, or go to increasingly dangerous drugs. There is not a typical profile for youth who are susceptible to drug abuse. However, the downward spiral of starting with marijuana, then advancing to opiate pain killers, and then onto to heroin (sometimes with cocaine and ecstasy in the mix) is typical.

    Drug Prevention


    We can’t claim that everyone who tries marijuana will be harmed by it, or that one person’s reaction will be the same in another person. When we take unnecessary risks, we don’t necessarily know which risks will have bad and possibly fatal consequences.

    The threat of jail should NOT be the reason for kids to stay off marijuana, though the vast majority of pot users who don’t commit other crimes never go to jail. The current discussion of legalization centers on individual liberty, if government can make money by taxing it and the criminal justice system. It does not mention how children will be affected by it, the most important factor.
    In short, we aim at prevention through education. This education includes learning and understanding the motivation of the marijuana industry. It’s faulty logic to think to marijuana legalization will keep it away from youngsters and prevent drug abuse. We hope that your children will not begin to use marijuana, at least not during adolescent or the teen years when the risks are strongest. We can’t recommend one approach to avoid the risk, other than being a good role model and being present in their lives. We also suggest that, if the signs of a problem occur, don’t be passive and rationalize that all kids use drugs. Don’t wait for your child to hit rock bottom.

    Actor Carroll O’Connor, who lost his son Hugh to drugs in 1995, famously said,
    Get between your kid and drugs, any way you can, if you want to save the kid’s life.”

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    Here Is What You Need to Know About North Carolina's Marijuana Laws

    July 26, 2016

    Here are some facts about the current state of marijuana legislation in North Carolina:



    1. The North Carolina legislature approved a significant reduction of penalties for marijuana possession back in 1977, far ahead of the current flood of decriminalization movements.
    2. Possession of one half ounce or less of marijuana is a Class 3 misdemeanor which has a maximum fine of $200, any prison sentence has to be suspended under state law.
    3. Possession of one half ounce to 1.5 ounces of weed is a Class 1 misdemeanor that may include 1 to 45 days behind bars and holds a discretionary fine for the first offense with a maximum fine of up to $1,000.
    4. Any more than that and you are looking at 3 to 8 months of prison and a discretionary fine for your first offense.
    5. North Carolina took a small step in the right direction when a CBD-focused law was enacted in 2014. The law prevented an enormous number of patients from safe access to cannabis and did not provide any source of extracts from within the state.
    6. A comprehensive medical marijuana law (HB 78) was introduced in February 2015 to the state legislature that provided citizens protection from prosecution who suffer from a variety of serious medical conditions to use and possess marijuana. Later that march, the House Judiciary Committee struck the bill down.
    7. Much like Alabama, blacks and whites use marijuana at a strikingly similar rate, however, while blacks make up 20% of the state population, they account for 50% of marijuana-related arrests.

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    28 Legal Medical Marijuana States and DC

    Laws, Fees, and Possession Limits




    State Year
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    Possession Limit
    Marijuana State Laws – Summary Chart from ProCon.org
    1.Alaska 1998

    Ballot Measure 8 (58%)

    1 oz usable; 6 plants (3 mature, 3 immature)
    2.Arizona 2010

    Proposition 203 (50.13%)

    2.5 oz usable; 12 plants
    3.Arkansas 2016

    Ballot Measure Issue 6 (53.2%)
    3 oz usable per 14-day period
    4.California 1996

    Proposition 215 (56%)

    8 oz usable; 6 mature or 12 immature plants
    5.Colorado 2000

    Ballot Amendment 20 (54%)

    2 oz usable; 6 plants (3 mature, 3 immature)
    6.Connecticut 2012

    House Bill 5389 (96-51 H, 21-13 S)

    2.5 oz usable
    7.Delaware 2011

    Senate Bill 17 (27-14 H, 17-4 S)

    6 oz usable
    8.Florida 2016

    Ballot Amendment 2 (71.3%)
    Amount to be determined
    9.Hawaii 2000

    Senate Bill 862 (32-18 H; 13-12 S)

    4 oz usable; 7 plants
    10.Illinois 2013

    House Bill 1 (61-57 H; 35-21 S)

    2.5 ounces of usable cannabis during a period of 14 days
    11.Maine 2013

    Ballot Question 2 (61%)

    2.5 oz usable; 6 plants
    12.Maryland 2014

    House Bill 881 (125-11 H; 44-2 S)

    30-day supply, amount to be determined
    13.Massachusetts 2012

    Ballot Question 3 (63%)

    60-day supply for personal medical use (10 oz)
    14.Michigan 2008

    Proposal 1 (63%)

    2.5 oz usable; 12 plants
    15.Minnesota 2014

    Senate Bill 2470 (46-16 S; 89-40 H)

    30-day supply of non-smokable marijuana
    16.Montana 2004

    Initiative 148 (62%)

    1 oz usable; 4 plants (mature); 12 seedlings
    17.Nevada 2000

    Ballot Question 9 (65%)

    2.5 oz usable; 12 plants
    18.New Hampshire 2013

    House Bill 573 (284-66 H; 18-6 S)

    Two ounces of usable cannabis during a 10-day period
    19.New Jersey 2010

    Senate Bill 119 (48-14 H; 25-13 S)

    2 oz usable
    20.New Mexico 2007

    Senate Bill 523 (36-31 H; 32-3 S)

    6 oz usable; 16 plants (4 mature, 12 immature)
    21.New York 2014

    Assembly Bill 6357 (117-13 A; 49-10 S)

    30-day supply non-smokable marijuana
    22.North Dakota 2016

    Ballot Measure 5 (63.7%)
    3 oz per 14-day period
    23.Ohio 2016

    House Bill 523 (71-26 H; 18-15 S)

    Maximum of a 90-day supply, amount to be determined
    24.Oregon 1998

    Ballot Measure 67 (55%)

    24 oz usable; 24 plants (6 mature, 18 immature)
    25.Pennsylvania 2016

    Senate Bill 3 (149-46 H; 42-7 S)

    30-day supply
    26.Rhode Island 2006

    Senate Bill 0710 (52-10 H; 33-1 S)

    2.5 oz usable; 12 plants
    27.Vermont 2004

    Senate Bill 76 (22-7) HB 645 (82-59)

    2 oz usable; 9 plants (2 mature, 7 immature)
    28.Washington 1998

    Initiative 692 (59%)

    8 oz usable; 6 plants
    Washington, DC 2010

    Amendment Act B18-622 (13-0 vote)

    2 oz dried; limits on other forms to be determined
    Marijuana State Laws – Summary Chart from ProCon.org



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    Which States Have Legal Marijuana?

    Johnny Green November 17, 2016, 12:26 pm



    The 2016 Election ushered in a new era in the marijuana world. 2012 saw the first states legalize recreational marijuana (Colorado and Washington). I will never forget the feeling in Denver the day after the 2012 Election. I was at the first ever Marijuana Business Conference and Expo hosted by Marijuana Business Daily back then, along with many other marijuana movement members. We all kept giving each other that look of ‘can you believe this is true!?’ the entire event. We were living in a post prohibition society, even if it was just in two states. For the record the event is in its fifth year, and had over 10,000 people attend it this year I’m told, up from 300ish the first year!

    2014 was particularly fantastic for me personally because its when Oregon voted to legalize recreational marijuana, along with Alaska and Washington D.C.. I have been experiencing the benefits of legalization ever since. The 2016 Election had a different feel. Whereas the other elections were definitely significant, 2016 felt like the ‘beginning of the end’ for prohibition in America. Since Election Day a number of states have started exploring the idea of legalization. There have also been increased calls for the feds to end federal prohibition too.


    The marijuana reform movement snowball is bigger than ever, and seems to get bigger every day. That has led to a lot of people asking the question ‘which states have legal marijuana?’ It’s a simple question, but as with most things marijuana related, the answer is not straight forward. 8 states and Washington D.C. have voted to legalize marijuana, however, not all of the states have implemented legalization.


    As it stands right now, marijuana is legal in California, Oregon, Washington, Alaska, Colorado, and Washington D.C. for recreational purposes.

    Nevada legalization will not take effect until January 1st, 2017. Although it’s worth pointing out that Reno and Clark County (which includes Las Vegas) have already stated that they will treat marijuana as if legalization is already in effect.

    Massachusetts’ legalization initiative will take effect on December 15, 2016.


    Maine is the wild card, in that legalization does not take effect there until ’30 days after the Governor certifies the election results.’ Maine’s Governor does not like marijuana legalization. You can now also add to that a pending vote recount request by marijuana opponents in Maine. Even if the Governor certifies the election results, the legal challenge could delay implementation.


    That’s the scoop on recreational states. There are currently 28 states that have legalized medical marijuana, although not all of them have implemented their laws. For instance the 2016 class of medical states (Arkansas, North Dakota, and Florida) have approved medical marijuana, but those initiatives have not taken effect yet. There are many states that do not permit medical marijuana home cultivation and/or don’t have any dispensaries open. In those states, marijuana is technically legal in some instances, but a person wouldn’t be able to tell that by looking at the current situation, if that makes sense. For an up-to-date list of medical marijuana states, including those that have CBD-specific laws, I suggest checking out NORML’s website. There’s lots of good info over there!

    http://www.weednews.co/which-states-...gal-marijuana/

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    As I see it, the best plan is to legalize, regulate, tax under the FairTax, use some of the tax revenue that only drug users pay to fund better education programs and free rehab on demand without stigma for those who want or need it. Make it a domestic only enterprise, no imports, no exports to avoid all international involvement, complications and implications, and own and operate the trade A to Z by Licensed US Citizens Only. Require all buyers of legal age to watch a film and read pamphlets prior to their first purchase so all purchasers are informed about the real risk and consequences of using drugs. Also attach warning and side effect labels on all sales like or similar to the labels used in pharmaceutical sales.

    States can have their own variations to suit their residents. But the feds need to legalize, regulate, tax under the FairTax, educate and provide free rehab for anyone who wants or needs it. At that point, our free society has done all it can do to protect our people while still preserving their liberty.
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    Medical Marijuana is a Big Lie

    Pot lobby and investors set to reap massive profits from lack of honest reporting
    by Jonathan Talcott | Updated 13 Sep 2016 at 3:29 PM


    The words sound so reassuring — “medical marijuana.” Pot as medicine. You can almost hear teens caught smoking a joint telling their parents, “But, Mom, it’s not what you think. It’s medical marijuana!”

    But let’s get one thing straight. Medical marijuana is a big lie. Even the name implies something that is not true.

    The legalization of marijuana for medical or recreational use is a public health catastrophe across America.

    Hillary Clinton has praised medical marijuana, suggested rescheduling the drug; and the Democratic Party platform calls for the eventual legalization of pot. Even Donald Trump has suggested medical marijuana might be all right, although he favors keeping pot illegal. This November, 10 states are voting to either permit medical marijuana to be sold or to take the more extreme step of “legalizing” the recreational use of marijuana.

    Unfortunately, everyone is being duped.

    The legalization of marijuana for medical dispensation or general recreational use is a public health catastrophe happening in slow motion across our country. While marijuana use and possession remains illegal under federal law regardless of changes in state law, the Obama administration’s decision not to enforce federal law in those states that vote to legalize the drug under state law has effectively gutted the federal prohibition against marijuana use and possession in many parts of the country.

    The concept of medical marijuana has allowed those who favor marijuana’s ultimate legalization to cloak the drug in a mantle of legitimacy. This is a trick that was tried by tobacco companies two generations ago. The myth of medical marijuana — that it somehow benefits people who smoke it — actually hides the truth that it is a dangerous, highly addictive drug with no known medical benefits that can seriously damage a smoker’s physical and mental health.

    Non-Medical Cannabis Use


    • The most probable adverse psychosocial effect in adolescents who become regular users is impaired educational attainment. Regular cannabis use in adolescence might also adversely affect mental health in young adults, with the strongest evidence for an increased risk of psychotic symptoms and disorders.

    Source: http://www.mobile.legaliser.nu

    There are several things the pot lobby won’t tell you, but a read of the medical science is clear.
    Marijuana is harmful to people in so many different ways it is truly astounding. Like cigarettes, smoked marijuana contains numerous known carcinogens. While lung cancer rates among marijuana smokers are hard to track, cancer and carcinogens go hand-in-hand.

    Marijuana has been shown to increase substantially the rate of mental illness in regular users. The incidences of psychotic episodes or schizophrenia is about six times greater among regular marijuana users.

    Suicide is another side effect of marijuana use. One recent study, published in the Lancet Psychiatry journal in 2014, showed a seven-fold increase in the likelihood of suicide among regular teenage marijuana users as compared to the general population. Further, it is well established in the medical literature that marijuana use is associated with higher rates of suicide in the general population.

    Related: High-ly Unmotivated


    But even setting aside these dramatic existential threats to people's physical and mental health, marijuana has been shown to make people stupider, permanently. The average drop in IQ suffered by regular marijuana users is something like eight points. This is roughly equivalent to the IQ drop caused by being exposed to lead paint chips as a child. And lead paint has been outlawed!
    Beyond IQ, simple memory is damaged by regularly smoking pot. The most recent studies show permanent memory loss is the end result of regular pot use.

    Have you ever met anyone who is truly better off from using marijuana? Pothead is a word in our modern lexicon for a reason.

    More generally, have you ever met anyone who is truly better off from using marijuana regularly? Pothead is a word in our modern lexicon for a reason. The lack of motivation engendered by regularly ingesting THC is also well documented and clearly apparent to any person who has seen a close friend or relative go down this path.

    The advocates for medical marijuana would prefer to ignore all of these adverse health effects. They would prefer to focus our attention instead on the oil derived from cannabinoids in the pot plant that may treat certain rare forms of epilepsy or the anecdotal evidence of the calming effect of pot smoking on elderly people with cancer. Certainly research into the effects of any drug that may help people should be pursued. But legalizing the sale of smokable weed and edible gummy bears laced with THC is hardly justified by these unproven and ancillary benefits found in the cannabis plant.

    A drug derived from pot, Marinol, is actually already available with a prescription to help treat pain relief. THC in pill form may have some benefits that outweigh the detriments, and this also may be true of cannabinoids derived from the marijuana plant. But this argues in favor of research or more applications to the Food and Drug Administration for drug approvals not legalizing medical marijuana.






    Then why have 23 legislatures passed some form of medical marijuana law? The short answer in many cases is because they have been duped. A more sinister and equally likely explanation is that they have been bribed. The legislators see the money pushing for the ultimate legalization of marijuana and they decide to get behind it to help their cronies rather than fight the good fight for the public health. Schizophrenic pot smokers are not very able to defend themselves and explain their story. Instead, people like former congressmen push their buddies in the state legislature to legalize medical marijuana so a company they are affiliated with can be awarded one of the few licenses to dispense pot legally.

    Related: Drugged-Driving Deaths on Rise in Colorado

    Of course, the game is not really about medical marijuana. People following the issue have known for years that the "medical" part of the equation was always a big lie — meant to act as a stepping stone to full legalization and commercialization of pot for any use. The acceptability of marijuana, brought on first by appealing to our common compassion, is a public health disaster. And it's being pushed by a small group of people who want to get rich — very rich — off pot use by others. Meet the new big tobacco, ladies and gentlemen.

    Greed is driving the new industry. Big Pot is looking to replace Big Tobacco as the new, new thing for young people. And just as Big Tobacco tried to wrap itself in the aura of the medical industry by hiring doctors to endorse its products, Big Pot is selling its bogus story of the safety and "benefits" of pot by pushing for medical marijuana. Don't be fooled again.

    Jonathan Talcott is a Washington, D.C.-based attorney and the chairman of Smart Approaches to Marijuana (SAM), Inc., a nonprofit dedicated to educating people about the dangers of using marijuana.

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