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making a speech saying the Mexicans here have to vote and vote in a socialist government

This statement is in reference to the mexican citizens in the US who will be asked to vote in the mexican election. it doesn't have a darn thing to do with US elections.

If, on the other hand, they start getting invited to LEGALLY vote in US elections, as McCain has suggested for AZ, then we wil have a problem.

But, as CivilianAgain says, I don't think that is going to be a problem. I don't know that the current gang-member/foreign-national infested military that serves the President will help Americans but there are plenty of Americans still in that military for altruistic reasons only an American would understand and there are thousands of vets who I would trust to defend our freedom if it came right down to it. I know plenty of THEM personally.

Perhaps you don't have as much to fear as I do from a Communist takeover. I am jewish lesbian that owns assault weapons. When the Communists come I will be one of the first ones executed.

Hmmmm, drama queen?
This is total foolishness!

Originally Posted by CivilainAgain

Let me Refrase myself: There are elements in your post that have valid reasoning, but as far as a Communist takeover, the chance of that is Zero, so don't worry your, well protected by the U.S Military Forces

The chance of that is not zero. Think about the warning Washington gave us regarding foreign entaglements. Korea, Taiwan, Middle East. we go defending them we will have large concentration of forces left wide open to be nuked. Then the US mainland is vulnerable to invasion.

GSG

Hi GSG, what about the white conservative Christians who vehemently oppose communism because it takes away the freedom of religion? I do believe that would be a communist target if ever it came to be.

However, I said in another post that we are coming up against is called a "One World Government", where there will at first be a group of leaders making unilateral decisions, but eventually they will not be able to agree, in fight, and then a world leader will have to step in to keep the "peace".

Bush Sr. used to talk all the time about the "New World Order", where there was world peace (remember that on bumper stickers, "VISUALIZE WORLD PEACE", then I saw one that said, "VISUALIZE WHIRLED PEAS!!"), a "global community", dissarmament and all that glabalistic junk.
When the government people promoting it realized people did not like the sounds of that, they changer their way of saying it.

What we need to be doing here is looking at every angle of making changes in our government that will put the people of this country back in charge, and secure our borders, and finally, deport all here who are illegal, it can be done.

thought I would jump in here, I argue this point all the time and I'm a firm believer that communism is the goal . . . it's just my opinion, but I'm entitled to that!

"I am for socialism, disarmament, and ultimately for abolishing the State itself . . . . I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class and social control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal."

~ 1935, Roger Nash Baldwin founder of the American Civil Liberties Union (A.C.L.U.) and Presidential Medal of Freedom Recipient Awarded by President Jimmy Carter January 16, 1981


Communism is an advanced stage of socialism and The Communist Manifesto, published on February 21, 1848, set out its policy to abolish land ownership and the right to inheritance, a progressive income tax and universal education . The communist agenda is to overthrow capitalism establishing a stateless, propertyless and classless society. Karl Marxs' philosophy was "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need." In a communist society, abortion on demand is the law of the land and The American Revolutionary Communist Party's New Programme stated

"The right to abortion will be guaranteed ... As far as the policy toward the family, it will be recognized for what it is: Not some holy or sacred institution to be preserved for all time ... not only will the family be a secondary form for determining children's upbringing, but its influence in promoting conservatism among its members, especially the women and children, will be actively combatted ."

Dr. J. B. Matthews, Chief Investigator for the House Special Committee on Un-American Activities, said in January, 1955 said "In 37 years of history of the Communist movement in the United States, the Communist Party has never been able to do as much for itself as the American Civil Liberties Union has done for it." Former FBI Director, J. Edgar Hoover, said of the Communist goals:

"Communists seek to advance the cause of communism by injecting themselves into racial situations and in exploiting them, (1) to intensify the frictions between Negroes and Whites to 'prove' that discrimination against the minorities is an inherent defect of the capitalistic system, (2) to foster domestic disunity by dividing Negroes and Whites into antagonistic, warring factions, (3) to undermine and destroy established authority, (4) to incite racial strife and riotous activity, and (6) to portray the Communist movement as the 'champion' of social protest and the only force capable of ameliorating the conditions of the Negro. . ."

The ACLU is predominantly involved in the separation of church and state and are the most powerful adversary of church and Christian tradition in this country – black and white. In 1912 the Communist Party defined it's strategy for the U.S.

"We must realize that our party's most powerful weapon is racial tension. By propounding into the consciousness of the dark races that for centuries they have been oppressed by the whites, we can mould them to the program of the Communist Party. In America we will aim for subtle victory. While inflaming the Negro minority against the whites, we will endeavor to install in the whites a guilt complex for their exploitation of the Negroes. We will aid the Negroes to rise in prominence in every walk of life, in the professions and in the world of sports and entertainment. With this prestige, the Negro will be able to intermarry with the whites and begin a process which will deliver America to our cause."

Unfortunately for the Communist Party, "the Negroes" of this country were loyal citizens of the states and the United States, American Patriots that fought and died in wars for the cause of freedom before they were ever given ‘equal rights' and before they could sit in the front of the bus. But communism is like the sign in the front yard of a funeral home, "Drive carefully, we'll wait." And wait they did, their new "racial tension" and race-baiting is the purported prejudice against so-called "immigrants" – aliens that are in this country illegally.


The federal government is eliminating the middle class and their property – " . . . abolition of the propertied class . . . Communism is the goal."

I have long believed that the Democratic Party had communism as a basic core because of the way they strive to divide up everything the "haves" earn and pass it out freely among the "have nots" with their tax burdens whenever they get into office. However, it is only since Bush took office that I realized that the Republicans are no less free with our money-- it is just that the Republicans give our money to foreigners first so there is none left for Americans.

if it had not been for 9/11, we probably wouldn't even notice. But when the federal government is spending billions of dollars a day to 'protect' the American people from terrorists and refuse to secure the borders, and pass Patriot Acts's limiting the rights of citizens, it's obvious they aren't interested in protecting the American people.

Originally Posted by JerryNapalm

You guys act like communism is a bad thing. I mean, I don't wholly support the communistic ideals myself, but people have communism all wrong.
-Jerry.

"I am for socialism, disarmament, and ultimately for abolishing the State itself . . . . I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class and social control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal."

let me say it another way .... I'm NOT FOR disarmament, abolishing the State itself, social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class or social control of those who produce wealth.

is that better?

Originally Posted by JerryNapalm

I don't see why people get so worked up about the whole illegal immigration thing. The way I see it, is there are white collar workers. You know, office people. They see hispanics and other immigrants taking the harder jobs. They get angry because it's "their" job to do. Yeah, it used to be your job. But you're too lazy to get off your couch, stop drinking your beer for thirty minutes and do some actual physical labor. Americans are too lazy to do it, and when they see people of another race doing the work for them, they complain about not working. It's kind of redundant.

I'm afraid you're lost . . . this is not a 'pro-illegal" immigration site nor is it an anti-American people site and you have no idea what kind of work any one on this board does, whether it's "white collar" or physical labor. If you have such contempt for America why are you here?

Jerry Napalm, I have a feeling you and I are going to tangle before long.

If you don't see why we would have a problem with illegal aliens, I suggest you think about all the bills your tax dollars pay on their behalf. Yes, for the most part, they do the cheap labor jobs. And with those jobs they can't support their families. Guess who gets to do that?

Meantime, their kids crowd our schools. Guess who has to keep building new schools to accomodate other people's kids?

And there is a little matter of medical care for persons under the age of 19. Guess who pays for it?

Do you realize that our tax dollars also feeds these kids two meals a day at school?

So now do you see why we have a problem with this?

If they would let a worker work a job for X-number of months, then go home, it would be different. They don't do that. They bring their families, they increase their families and they can't support those families. The laws the senate judiciary committee wants to pass would turn what they ar calling 11 or 12 million illegal aliens into approximately 90 million citizens for those generous American taxpayers to support.

Yes, they would pay income tax on that meager income, reducing it further and making it that much harder to take care of their families. Nope! That dog won't hunt!