I have nothing to say about this entire situation that is not a violation of forum guildlines..........
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I have nothing to say about this entire situation that is not a violation of forum guildlines..........
Likewise here. Ditto
The bill is outrageous and needs to be killed by the House of Representatives.
Illegal aliens needs to be deported with their minor children even citizens who can then return when they can sustain themselves on their own.
Our laws need to be enforced and our borders and ports secured.
The solution to the problem is very simple.
We just need public officials in the Executive Branch honoring their oaths and executing the laws, not re-writing them and creating a de facto legislature in the White House.
Bush and Cheney need to be IMPEACHED and Dennis Hastert made President of the United States.
He is rated A+ on Better Immigration Scoreboard and while not perfect, he has stood up for the American People recently against the President on the ports deal; the CIA appointment; rummaging through Congress; and on immigration.
For this mission of enforcing US Immigration Law and Securing our Borders...and perhaps some other issues important to many of us....but at least immigration....Dennis Hastert is the man of the hour and we need to encourage him to take the action of impeachment in the House of Representatives along with killing the Senate Immigration Bill.
Then with the Wackident out of the White House...and Dennis Hastert in it....we can begin to see some progress...real progress....on immigration, our number one issue...and I would expect some pleasant progress in other areas as well.
:)
Abomination, disaster, treason, nightmare, sellout, globalist, sovereignity-stealing, short-sighted, unfair, wrong, ridiculous, insane, unbelievable, assinine, traitorous, deceptive, trickery, duplicitous, disgusting, revolting, despicable, reprehensible, vile, sleazy, nasty, moronic, idiotic, crazy, imbecilic, stupid.
I can't find my thesaurus so that's all I've got for now.
We should all be really happy that this bill has been passed, because it means that most current illegals will NOT be eligible for permanent residency and will have to go home.
I have been reading the forum for a few weeks now. It seems that most of the contributors just want all the illegals to get out. Well that is not going to happen, no matter how much you might want it to.
Reform is definately needed, for one to get a lot of these illegals out of the shadows and into the system, so that they CAN be kicked out by legal means, and they WILL with this bill.
To be granted permanent residency, and a shot at citizenship they will have to declare 2 years worth of income, and pay the taxes that come with it plus a filing fee and possibly a fine too. It'll also send back the majority of illegal Mexicans (if they have the balls to even apply). Of course enforcing the laws in the new bill is another story. We already have laws which are impossible to implement. These new ones are no different, but at least they ATTEMPT to cure the problem of peole here illegally AND to build fences along the borders.
Get real folks. Shoot to kill is not an option LOL.
Excuse me, I'm new to posting on this forum and hope I am not intruding.
I would like to say that Vincente Fox was speaking in Washington state and made a couple of interesting statements that were translated as:
...we must be united in North America...we shall unite in North America...
It is quite apparent to me that this is why Arlen Spectre slipped in the Manager's Amendment to the bill at the last minute (hoping few Americans would learn about it, I assume) in which America must contact the Mexican government for approval prior to building a fence on the border. In other words, one North American Regional State. this is what Fox is pushing for, and this is what the Manager's Amendment to S.2611 has quietly accommodated.
However, our true salvation may lay in the upcoming change in government leadership in Mexico. What I'm getting at is this, if an aggressive man in the same vein as Venezuala's Hugo Chavez takes over the helm of the Mexican government, then perhaps that will give the traitorous (IMHO) Senate the backbone to form legislation that might actually include true and independent border security.
Long story short...it may take another horrible event on our own soil before our political elite get the total picture. But if Vincente Fox's successor is cut from the same cloth as Fox himself, we can kiss our nation goodbye.
How do you figure that? I think maybe you misunderstood the terms.
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Originally Posted by NewAmerican
Welcome GodHelpUs!
Glad to have you with us. You made a good point.
Why has no one addressed the 14th Amend that the Globalist are using to make children US citizens whether legal or illegal?
I firmly believe that the should be challenged in the Supreme Court.
I also believe that the children should be determined by the status of their parent. Definitely not a political correct statement.
I would guess by this poster's nic that he/she is one of our soon-to-be new citizens. And has not misunderstood the terms at all. I fear the only ones who have truly misunderstood anything are those of us who are loyal American citizens because we misunderstood the Senate, we thought they would see the errors of their bill but they did not. We misunderstood their loyalties, or lack thereof.Quote:
Originally Posted by barkway
And thank you, John, for the nice welcome.
We need to find out where all the Senators are that voted for that bill..........so we can lower the net!
BTTT
Godhelpus, I am an American citizen. I was Sworn in in March after going through the legal process of eligibility. Thats my point. The Bill will allow certain eligible people permanent residency, but it will be a very small proportion of the 12m+ here. Hopefully it will weed out a lot of people who are ineligible and we will be able to kick them out.
We need to get real with this situation, and what is realistic. The senate passed the Bill by large majority because the Bill makes more sense and is more just than what most of the posters on this forum want. "Kick them all out" is not realistic, and does not stand for the spirit of America.
Really this is not a personal attack on any one person, but people are sounding very racist in their anti-Mexican comments, and some threads end up sounding like a lynch-mob. Yeah yeah yeah I can alrweady hear you screaming "Freedom of speech, it's in the Bill of Rights", thats great but you still sound like a racist when you say "Mexicans out".
Keep it real. this is a great forum for realistic discussion.
Monty
X Brit, Proud American.
I feel disgust that our Senators have sold us out; disgust that the Senator from Tennessee who could have made a run for the presidency has sealed the deal................ he will never be President in my opinion.
Further disgusted with Bush, and disgusted w/ myself for voting for him twice. I thought seriously of writing in a candidate but was so afraid of the other candidate and his left of leftist wife that I again voted for Bush.
Horrified at the disrespect for our guardians (soldiers) who are risking their lives to protect our country that is being thrown away.
Angry that the sacrifices that my father (a former POW) and all but one of my uncles made serving in the armed forces and my two cousins who died in the armed forces believing they were protecting the Country that is now being given away. :cry:
Monty, I say welcome to America since you say you are a Legal American.
Let me ask you a question.
You say you are for this bill that was passed by our X senators yesterday,tell me is this how the Brit's would have done things in your country?
Would they allow 12 million + illegal aliens to come swarming over their borders?
Would they allow these illegal aliens to steal your Ids pay in to a Social Security( I don't know if you have that or not) illegaly then to benefit from doing all that by being allowed to draw out of that retirement that you had no business in paying into in the first place because you were illegal at the time?
The last question, to you, would your previous country ask any of your bodering countries their permission to secure your country's border against said invasion? I THINK NOT!
I have to say to you Monty, you may have came to the wrong country because the majority of the American patriots find that to border on treason! I hope you haven't been fooled by our X Senators who voted for this CRAP of a bill into thinking that most of the American people are all for this bill, because if you really do believe this, you have been played for a big fool. If you think you are going to come here and try to make us believe this is a good bill, I am afraid Monty, you would be wasting your time here. If you are here though, to help us fight this bill, then we will welcome you as being another American patriot standing up and fighting for his country's right, granted to us by our constitution, to have a soverign nation with secure borders and its government's enforcement of its own laws on illegal immigration.
Using what borders on hate speech "racist" "lunch-mob" etc. is insulting! :xQuote:
Originally Posted by NewAmerican
If you are really a new American citizen perhaps you should be thanking your lucky stars as none of your family members had to fight and/or die for your freedom instead of finding dozens of complaints and insults.
I have followed some of your postings, and find that some are very insulting and way too instructive for a new citizen. It is like the temp or janitor telling the CEO how to run his business. Please try being thankful and think a minute or two about the freedoms you are enjoying due to the sacrafices and blood shed by others on this board and/or the blood shed by their family members before you preach and judge them.
Why in the Blue Devil do we need more of the same unenforced laws!
126. Immigration Reform and Control Act of November 6, 1986 (IRCA) (100 Statutes-at-Large 3359)
Comprehensive immigration legislation:
a. Authorized legalization (i.e., temporary and then permanent resident status) for aliens who had resided in the United States in an unlawful status since January 1, 1982 (entering illegally or as temporary visitors with authorized stay expiring before that date or with the Government’s knowledge of their unlawful status before that date) and are not excludable.
b. Created sanctions prohibiting employers from knowingly hiring, recruiting, or referring for a fee aliens not authorized to work in the United States.
Almost never enforced!
c. Increased enforcement at U.S. borders.
When? Where????
d. Created a new classification of seasonal agricultural worker and provisions for the legalization of certain such workers.
So we already have a Guest Worker Plan!
e. Extended the registry date (i.e., the date from which an alien has resided illegally and continuously in the United States and thus qualifies for adjustment to permanent resident status) from June 30, 1948 to January 1, 1972.
f. Authorized adjustment to permanent resident status for Cubans and Haitians who entered the United States without inspection and had continuously resided in country since January 1, 1982.
g. Increased the numerical limitation for immigrants admitted under the preference system for dependent areas from 600 to 5,000 beginning in fiscal year 1988.
New Bill would up that to 200,000 for the first 3 years then +20% each year there after! 8O
h. Created a new special immigrant category for certain retired employees of international organizations and their families and a new nonimmigrant status for parents and children of such immigrants.
i. Created a nonimmigrant Visa Waiver Pilot program allowing certain aliens to visit the United States without applying for a nonimmigrant visa.
j. Allocated 5,000 nonpreference visas in each of fiscal years 1987 and 1988 for aliens born in countries from which immigration was adversely affected by the 1965 act.
http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/shared...isHist/561.htm