do the parents realize this?

About 3 hours ago on my daily trip to the post office,I noticed a Latin woman coming out of a local market with 3 small kids.It was a Latin market and you really don't see many Whites shop there.I recognized the 3 kids because on weekends I usually see them with their mom.They and their mom are White.Although the younger twins seem to be young enough to expect them not to be albe to talk alot I was surprised that all 3 of the kids spoke fluent Spanish.It caught me off guard.If our future propects to lead our country spend 40 hours a week (or more) culturally Latin,how will we be able to stop the flow of illegals from Latin America?

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About 3 hours ago on my daily trip to the post office,I noticed a Latin woman coming out of a local market with 3 small kids.It was a Latin market and you really don't see many Whites shop there.I recognized the 3 kids because on weekends I usually see them with their mom.They and their mom are White.Although the younger twins seem to be young enough to expect them not to be albe to talk alot I was surprised that all 3 of the kids spoke fluent Spanish.It caught me off guard.If our future propects to lead our country spend 40 hours a week (or more) culturally Latin,how will we be able to stop the flow of illegals from Latin America?

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My father speaks fleunt German, but hardly lives his life culturally german. Personally I see nothing wrong with children being multilingual, it is a very useful tool to be blessed with. However I have a problem with it when the schools are bilingual because neither language group is getting more than a half days education even if they speak both languages, since they are spending the second half the day simply covering the same topics in a different language. But I think you are overblowing the situation as well... as american kids who are multilingual are still the exception, not the rule by any stretch of the imagination.

I do not understand what relevance that has to stopping the flow of illegals. Does the fact that many kids speak spanish make it impossible to build fences and patrol the borders? Just how does it result in that?

Nothing wrong with being multilingual or multicultural.
Being a nanny here in California is the new favorite job of young illegals.Given the way some people spoil their kids,how do you get rid of an illegal nanny that is a favorite with the kids?Quite often it is the people that can afford nannies whose kids go on to politics and other significant positions;kinda hard to choose between the one that raises you and the law.

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Nothing wrong with being multilingual or multicultural.
Being a nanny here in California is the new favorite job of young illegals.Given the way some people spoil their kids,how do you get rid of an illegal nanny that is a favorite with the kids?Quite often it is the people that can afford nannies whose kids go on to politics and other significant positions;kinda hard to choose between the one that raises you and the law.

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I must disagree. I said there is nothing wrong with kids, being multi-lingual. Multi-cultural is a different matter entirely. I would also venture that you cannot get a clear perspective of the overall nation by using California as your sampling. Further, I doubt if your example is very accurate as I doubt most kids have nannies even in California.

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DON, I can only speak from my own experience. In our businesses we deal mostly in the city areas with a high "immigrant" quotient.

I can say with no doubt that a great many children can NOT speak English and their parents will NOT speak English. It's a huge problem and our schools are spending much needed dollars in vain. Children are NOT bilingual on a large scale.

Stores are not "bilingual" either. It's a mess, a real mess.

I believe I understand what Rick is referring to. The other problem we have because of this problem are the huge numbers of drop outs only to leave the future generation that will be responsible for our country's future ignorant in the knowledge of our history and representative republic responsibility. We have enough problem with American children's weak education.

As a granddaughter of immigrants who demanded we learn English and only spoke Italian in our grandparent's home.............I've been concerned about this for many years.

{my 2 cents} :o

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DON, I can only speak from my own experience. In our businesses we deal mostly in the city areas with a high "immigrant" quotient.

I can say with no doubt that a great many children can NOT speak English and their parents will NOT speak English. It's a huge problem and our schools are spending much needed dollars in vain. Children are NOT bilingual on a large scale.

Stores are not "bilingual" either. It's a mess, a real mess.

I believe I understand what Rick is referring to. The other problem we have because of this problem are the huge numbers of drop outs only to leave the future generation that will be responsible for our country's future ignorant in the knowledge of our history and representative republic responsibility. We have enough problem with American children's weak education.

As a granddaughter of immigrants who demanded we learn English and only spoke Italian in our grandparent's home.............I've been concerned about this for many years.

{my 2 cents} :o

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If the children do not speak english and speak only spanish.. they are hardly MULTI-lingual are they? I never stated I approved of children who could ONLY speak spanish.

Mygrandfather forgot Poruguese but he picked up English,Spanish,and Italian.

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Don, I was simply making a point that I'm on the opposite side of the country and have experience in 3 states in the North East as well as 2 states in the South. We see a problem that children in many {growing} sections are not bilingual with would be an asset if it were true. I see this as problem that's being increased not decreased throughout our country.

and that's the story :D

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Don, I was simply making a point that I'm on the opposite side of the country and have experience in 3 states in the North East as well as 2 states in the South. We see a problem that children in many {growing} sections are not bilingual with would be an asset if it were true. I see this as problem that's being increased not decreased throughout our country.

and that's the story :D

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The only ones I see that problem existing among is immigrants and their children. How in the world would a kid from english speaking parents grow up incapable of speaking english?

I agree that those who do not learn English are a problem, and will never fully assimilate... but thats not the same as children who are multilingual, nor is a disease that our kids are likely to catch, and we one day wake up finding our kids cannot speak english. If you see more and more kids who cannot speak english... they are immigrants or children of immigrants.

As for stores and such who label everything in spanish.. they are fools, since they are restricting the biggest percentage of the country from buying from them. We have stores here like that, which cater to mexicans... but they get none of my business. They wanna hurt their own business.. it is no skin off my nose.

HUH :?:

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The only ones I see that problem existing among is immigrants and their children. How in the world would a kid from english speaking parents grow up incapable of speaking english?

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I'm talking about IMMIGRANTS both legal and illegal.........not American kids with English speaking parents........silly guy :lol:

Read his first post. He was speaking of a white woman and kids who spoke spanish. Perhaps spanish was the second language for these kids and they spoke english just fine. If I wished to teach my kids spanish, which is a useful thing for them to learn, dontcha think taking them to stores like that and allowing only spanish during those times might be appropriate?

If nothing else these kids are getting one very valuble lesson that will last a lifetime-how to shop right.

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As for stores and such who label everything in spanish.. they are fools, since they are restricting the biggest percentage of the country from buying from them

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Fools, maybe BUT THAT'S THE WAY THEY WANT IT!

They've got the only percentage of the country that they wish to deal with! THAT'S THE POINT. They do NOT want AMERICANS in their stores and I for one absolutely will not tolerate it.

Hope your kids are bilingual.........mine are.

It is not a problem for us, we have plenty of other stores around that we can shop at. Many businesses operate in ways I do not care for, so I do not do business with them. Simple as that. Why would you want to spend money and give a profit to those who do not care about you as a customer?

This strikes me as similar to a local cafe here, who does not like my business simply because they have a personal problem with a different member of my family. That is as stupid of a way to run a business as this store you describe, and they could not legally refuse to serve me in their restaurant without legitimate cause that could stand up to court scrutiny, if I cared to go there. Point is, they are only hurting themselves. It hurts me not one bit. I have no problem taking my business, and my money, elsewhere.

I can tell ya I am familiar with the attitudes Mexicans have towards Americans, having been south of the border many times. However, GREEN is one color they all like.

Afterthought; Their attituds about wanting Americans in the store will change once we ship a lot of illegals out of the country... until then, let them shop there... I do not want the illegals in the stores I use either.

This issue of the language is part of the failure to assimmilate. It goes back to the original La Reconquista and Plan of Aztlan.

Nothing wrong with bi-lingual, tri-lingual, quad-lingual. But when the native language of the nation you are supposedly living in is a "bother" or "not worth it" or "something to resist", even with young children, then this is a determined act not to assimilate and become American.

Part of the National Council of La Raza agenda, if you have the time to read some things about them is to resist assimilation into American Culture in order to maintain the Hispanic Culture and the Mexican Culture and a Chicano Culture.

Why? To maintain loyalty to a non-American culture; to treat the Americans as 'gringos".

It's.......a resistance with political purpose.

You are right.. but I view it as peripheral in the overall picture. It may be a piece of their grand scheme... but if we simply remove the illegals from the country.. this facet of their grand scheme becomes moot. It is, to me, simply one more clue to what they are doing.. an item of academic interest... but in itself is not all that dangerous if appropriate action is taken.

Good point Judy-the whole reason I posted this is because as written in the beginning of the thread I see the kids with their mom.Mom is a yuppy.I wonder if she knows that her 3 small kids are subtly being "Latinized" while she's at work by the nanny.One of the reasons this woman goes to work and has the nanny in the first place is to keep her kids happy.If the kids are overinfluenced by the nanny the mom has to keep the nanny happy to keep her own kids happy.

[quote="rickesteves"]Good point Judy-the whole reason I posted this is because as written in the beginning of the thread I see the kids with their mom.Mom is a yuppy.I wonder if she knows that her 3 small kids are subtly being "Latinized" while she's at work by the nanny.One of the reasons this woman goes to work and has the nanny in the first place is to keep her kids happy.If the kids are overinfluenced by the nanny the mom has to keep the nanny happy to keep her own kids happy.[/quote]

Now that is one vicious circle.

Rick--excellent point!! That's why the illegal nanny needs to be packed up and shipped out. I believe a great number of politicians fall into that category....more loyalty to their illegal nanny than to Americans. They don't want to enforce the law because someone might take their nanny away. There are SO MANY Unemployed Americans that would love to take care of kids and be their nannies.

So who infltrated our homes with illegal nannies? There are services. They make all the arrangements. So do "Missions".

It's ILLEGAL and their children are suffering. Being for all we know "indoctrinated" "brain-washed" to become Drones of Commerce.

It's just all too much!!!!

Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that the mother KNOWS the nanny is an illegal alien.

How does mom justify hiring someone she knows has no right to work in this country, let alone even BE in the country.

Well, we know the answer is, in many cases--cheap labor (read that as me-me-me first, and to Hell with the rest of you).

In that scenario, who does mom think pays the nanny's health-care costs?

Well, we know the answer--she doesn't care, as long as nanny's labor remains cheap.

How about the nanny's other social benefit costs. And does mom wonder how the nanny gets to work? Maybe she drives--with no driver's license or insurance.

The concerns go on. And, what this mom is doing is not an isolated case. How many of our fellow citizens are doing this to the rest of us? And when will they begin to care?

huumm, and if nanny drives with no license and she drove to the store with the kiddies in the car. Mommy is guilt of child abuse believe it or not.

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huumm, and if nanny drives with no license and she drove to the store with the kiddies in the car. Mommy is guilt of child abuse believe it or not.

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Sounds good to me, if mommy is dumb enough to break the law, then mommy should be held accountable.

I have seen charges a long the same lines on DWI case and drug cases. It would fly here in NC.

:roll: As a mom who raised 3 boys with 2 businesses {1 a 24hr service} the best of my childcare were older teen girls who had syblings at home.

This always confused me "hiring foreign nannies"

-- two of my friends had wopping bad times with their husband's affairs with the foreign nannies

IMO, those who are not willing to make sacrifices in their careers or whatever in order to take care of their children should never have had children to begin with. NOBODY, no babysitter, nanny, or daycare center, has the emotional atachment to the children equal to a normal parents, thus none can or will do as good of a job caring for the child. My sister was like that... not willing to make sacrifices with her career. She certainly did not NEED the money since she was married to a multi-millionaire at that time. Too many people are letting others raise their children because they are either getting their ego stroked like my sister, or because they are working for more money to buy things, most of which they do not need, or in the cases of many unemployed mothers, just to be able to go have fun and let someone else deal with the kids... and their kids are the ones who are paying for it.

I have no sympathies for this stuff.. so far as I am concerned, the parents who hire an illegal for a nanny can go straight to jail. I think that knowingly hiring a criminal to be the caregiver of your child is an obvious act of child neglect.

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IMO, those who are not willing to make sacrifices in their careers or whatever in order to take care of their children should never have had children to begin with. NOBODY, no babysitter, nanny, or daycare center, has the emotional atachment to the children equal to a normal parents, thus none can or will do as good of a job caring for the child. My sister was like that... not willing to make sacrifices with her career. She certainly did not NEED the money since she was married to a multi-millionaire at that time. Too many people are letting others raise their children because they are either getting their ego stroked like my sister, or because they are working for more money to buy things, most of which they do not need, or in the cases of many unemployed mothers, just to be able to go have fun and let someone else deal with the kids... and their kids are the ones who are paying for it.

I have no sympathies for this stuff.. so far as I am concerned, the parents who hire an illegal for a nanny can go straight to jail. I think that knowingly hiring a criminal to be the caregiver of your child is an obvious act of child neglect.

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my grandfather forgot portuguese but picked up english, italian, and spanish". Ricky, I thought you were a spaniard? At least that is what I thought you had said before, maybe I am mistaken. I have been gone for business two days and missed all the gossip. Did you see Arnold's press conference? Why did he apologize in the first place? I thought what he said about the borders was one of the smartest things republicans have said(besides Tom TAncredo and Janet Napolitano)

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