Thread: Donald Trump’s tax plan is socialist and big government friendly.

Originally Posted by Judy

Of all the tax plans proposed by the candidates so far, Trump's is the best. No doubt about it.

I haven't looked at every proposal yet, but there is a lot not to like about Trump's plan .... as I'm sure can be said for the others. You're extremely biased and I'm sure that is something you won't deny. In your eye Trump can do absolutely no wrong. Well, he, just like the rest of the candidates, is not perfect.

I'm a Trump Supporter, and like most Trump Supporters, am all-in to win. We're tired of all talk and no action. We're fed up to the gills with stupid incompetent politicians running our jobs out of the country while the borders stand wide open and 30 million illegal aliens continue to breed citizens and live the life of Riley.

Originally Posted by Judy

Of all the tax plans proposed by the candidates so far, Trump's is the best. No doubt about it.

Trump's tax plan does nothing to remove the countless miseries now suffered under the notoriously evil tax calculated from profits, gains, salaries and other incomes.

The fact is, until Congress' power to lay and collect taxes calculated from "incomes" is withdrawn from its powers, the American people __labor, businesses and investors’ __ will continue to suffer the countless abuses and miseries they now suffer under this notoriously evil system of taxation.

Similarly, until the words "THIS NOTE IS LEGAL TENDER FOR ALLDEBTS, PUBLIC AND PRIVATE" are removed from Federal Reserve Notes, and our free market system allows the people to once again determine which notes are safe and proper to accept in payment of debt, the real wealth created by America's labor, businesses and investors will be plunder by those who have given us our current corruptible money and taxing systems which are used in tandem to steal and plunder the real material wealth which America's labor,businesses and investors have worked to create!


JWK




"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their forefathers conquered." ___ Author unknown

Originally Posted by ReformUSA2012

Well I think we can at least agree the current system is an utter disaster and be it FairTax, FlatTax, or any other system including Trumps tax plan is far better then what we currently have. What I like also about Trumps plan is it looks to eliminate those getting *refunds* that never paid taxes in the first place along with numerous other things. The current system is a disaster and while I'd love to find the perfect system its doubtful will get such passed. I'd love to do away with the taxman going after income on workers and local business's instead moving towards retail tax system with putting back import duties and tariffs on imports on anything but raw materials. Import a TV or a car from a foreign country and their should be a considerable import duty or tariff due before the cargo is even allowed into US waters. Promote American made products before foreign made ones. Of course this would also need to lower the budget somewhat but we have so much waste all around.

Did you ever study our Constitution's original tax plan which paved the way for America to become the economic marvel of the world? Keep in mind it was fashioned by tax rebels and contained a number of checks and balances to control the actions of Congress. Today's system of taxation, including Trump's plan under which Congress defines what is and what is not taxable income, is designed to allow Congress and our federal government to control the actions of the people!


JWK



“Honest money and honest taxation, the Key to America’s future Prosperity“ ___ from “Prosperity Restored by the State Rate Tax Plan”, no longer in print.

Originally Posted by ReformUSA2012

Import a TV or a car from a foreign country and their should be a considerable import duty or tariff due before the cargo is even allowed into US waters. Promote American made products before foreign made ones. Of course this would also need to lower the budget somewhat but we have so much waste all around.

Our wise founding fathers used its power of taxation to promote an America first policy! For example, Madison sums up our founding father’s trade policy as follows during the creation of our Nation‘s first revenue raising Act

“…a national revenue must be obtained; but the system must be such a one, that, while it secures the object of revenue it shall not be oppressive to our constituents.”

The Act went on to tax specifically chosen imported articles and not one dime was raised by taxing American domestic manufacturers, the working man’s wage, or the returns on invested capital ___ all of which contributed enormously to America becoming the economic marvel of the world! It should also be noted the Act was signed by George Washington on July 4th, 1789, as if to give England a second notice of America’s independence while exercising her power to tax foreign imports in order to fill our national treasury.

In addition to imposing a specific amount of tax on specifically chosen articles imported, our founding fathers imposed an across-the-board tax on imports which was higher for imports arriving in foreign owned foreign built vessels, and discounted the tax for imports arriving in American owned American built ships:

"...a discount of ten percent on all duties imposed by this Act shall be allowed on such goods, wares, and merchandise as shall be imported in vessels built in the United States, and wholly the property of a citizen or citizens thereof." SEE: An Act imposing duties on Tonnage July 20, 1789

This patriotic use of taxing at our water’s edge not only filled our national treasury, but gave American ship builders a hometown advantage and predictably resulted in America's ship building industry to flourish and America’s merchant marine to become the most powerful on the face of the planet. Unfortunately, last time I visited the docks in New York's Hell's Kitchen area, I was very saddened that I could no longer read the names on the docked ships as they all seemed to be foreign owned foreign built vessels...an irrefutable sign of America's decline traceable to the ravages of our international “free trade crowd” and a traitorous sellout of America’s sovereignty to the highest international bidders by members of Congress and our presidents, past and present!

The bottom line is, taxing at our water’s edge as our Founding Fathers did helped to pave the way for America to become the economic marvel of the world. And the proof is, by the year1835 America was manufacturing everything from steam powered ships, to clothing spun and woven by powered machinery and the national debt [which included part of the revolutionary war debt] was completely extinguished and Congress enjoyed a surplus in the federal treasury from tariffs, duties, and customs. And so, by an Act of Congress in June of 1836 all surplus revenue in excess of $ 5,000,000 was decided to be distributed among the states, and eventually a total of $28,000,000 was distributed among the states by the rule of apportionment in the nature of interest free loans to the states to be recalled if and when Congress decided to make such a recall.

JWK



"To lay with one hand the power of the government on the property of the citizen [a working person’s earned wage] and with the other to bestow upon favored individuals, to aid private enterprises and build up private fortunes [Obama’s Solyndra, Chevy Volt, Fisker, Exelon swindling deals] is none the less a robbery because it is done under forms of law and called taxation."____Savings and Loan Assc. v. Topeka,(1875).

I truly hope Americans soon wake up and realize that one of the leading causes of our demise is the federal income tax, so the less of it you pay as in Trump's plan, the less harm is done. But to solve the problem the nation needs to move to a new voluntary system that's tied to voluntary purchases, not mandated forced taxes on income or property.

Originally Posted by Judy

But to solve the problem the nation needs to move to a new voluntary system that's tied to voluntary purchases, not mandated forced taxes on income or property.

On this we agree, as did our Founders!


Hamilton stresses in Federalist No 21 regarding taxes on articles of consumption:

“There is no method of steering clear of this inconvenience, but by authorizing the national government to raise its own revenues in its own way. Imposts, excises, and, in general, all duties upon articles of consumption, may be compared to a fluid, which will, in time, find its level with the means of paying them. The amount to be contributed by each citizen will in a degree be at his own option, and can be regulated by an attention to his resources. The rich may be extravagant, the poor can befrugal; and private oppression may always be avoided by a judicious selection of objects proper for such impositions. If inequalities should arise in some States from duties on particular objects, these will, in all probability, be counter balanced by proportional inequalities in other States, from the duties on other objects. In the course of time and things, an equilibrium, as far as it is attainable in so complicated a subject, will be established everywhere. Or, if inequalities should still exist, they would neither be so great in their degree, so uniform in their operation, nor so odious in their appearance, as those which would necessarily spring from quotas, upon any scale that can possibly be devised.


It is a signal advantage of taxes on articles of consumption that they contain in their own nature a security against excess. They prescribe their own limit; which cannot be exceeded without defeating the end proposed, that is, an extension of the revenue. When applied to this object, the saying is as just as it is witty, that, "in political arithmetic, two and two do not always make four .'' If duties are too high, they lessen the consumption; the collection is eluded; and the product to the treasury is not so great as when they are confined within proper and moderate bounds. This forms a complete barrier against any material oppression of the citizens by taxes of this class, and is itself a natural limitation of the power of imposing them.”


JWK





Are we really ok with 45 percent of our nation’s population who pay no taxes on incomes being allowed to vote for representatives who spend federal revenue which the remaining 55 percent of our nation’s hard working and productive population has contributed into our federal treasury via taxes on incomes when our Constitution requires “Representatives and direct taxes Shall be apportioned among the Several States”?

Thank you! I really hope more people will spend the time to understand why we're right on this. I realize you and I disagree on the FairTax, I believe some of that may be semantics, whatever it is, it doesn't matter. The 1913 Evil that passed the Income Tax, Tariff Reductions, the 16th Amendment, and created the Federal Reserve needs to be obliterated. How best to do that can be debated once Americans are united behind a decision to fix it.

Maybe Trump can unite us to do that once he's in office. As our next President his plate is going to be very very full but I believe once in office doing his good on stopping illegal immigration, deporting illegal aliens, pausing or executing a Moratorium on All Immigration, laying the hammer down on this free trade treason, working on the budget, working with the Russians to take out ISIS and fix the Iran Nuclear Treaty, perhaps he'll have time to focus on changing the tax system to a voluntary system.

I was very disappointed when his tax plan came out because he had spoken very favorably about the FairTax, but didn't go there at the end. He said a few weeks ago the reason was because he thought it would take too much time, and given the division that still exists, that was probably the correct decision but one that was disappointing to me.

Keep up the good work, Johnwk. I know you've been at this issue for a very long time and have countless hours, days, months and years devoted to trying to help our country fix our problems.

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SEE: Taxes


”To the degree that tariffs on foreign products, and excises, are insufficient to cover the legitimate Constitutional costs of the federal government, we will offer an apportioned “state-rate tax” in which the responsibility for covering the cost of unmet obligations will be divided among the several states in accordance with their proportion of the total population of the United States, excluding the District of Columbia. Thus, if a state contains 10 percent of the nation’s citizens, it will be responsible for assuming payment of 10 percent of the annual deficit.

The effect of this “state-rate tax” will be to encourage politicians to argue for less, rather than more, federal spending, and less state spending as well.”

Also see:

Opposition to the Fair Tax

Funding America the Constitutional Way

JWK

“Honest money and honest taxation, the Key to America’s future Prosperity“ ___ from “Prosperity Restored by the State Rate Tax Plan”, no longer in print.