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    BOOM! There's the bomb. Why isn't anyone raising can about this. His words prove beyond a shadow of doubt that he would grant amnesty to illegal immigrants. That comment alone should make Trump a non-starter for every single member of ALIPAC.

    Isn't that the same plan Obama keeps talking about? Keep the non-felons and deport the criminals.
    No, it's different. Even that won't fly and that comment won't stick if he actually made it. There's a ton of media coverage misquoting him. But, until Congress passes the bill that authorizes states to enforce US immigration law, he's right, it's not realistic. DHS won't deport. So until we have state and local law enforcement agencies involved with the resources to make the arrests and conduct the deportations, then he's right, we all know that. So, lets wait and see what Congress does, so we can know what a President can actually do with deportations.

    Here are some quotes throughout his career, most I agree with, one I don't:

    Donald Trump on Immigration

    2000 Reform Primary Challenger for President
    Citizenship for illegal immigrants is a GOP suicide mission

    Donald Trump said the Republican party will lose elections if it reforms the nation's entitlement programs and will hand Democrats 11 million votes if Congress grants citizenship to illegal immigrants, likening the reform efforts to a "suicide mission." "The fact is 11 million people will be voting Democratic. You can be out front. You can be the spearhead. You can do whatever you want to do, but every one of those 11 million people will be voting Democratic," he said. "It is just the way it works.""You have to be very, very careful, because you could say that to a certain extent the odds aren't looking so great for Republicans, that you are on a suicide mission," he said. "You are just not going to get those votes."
    Source: 2013 Conservative Political Action Conf. in Washington Times , Mar 15, 2013

    351,000 illegal aliens are in our prisons; costing $1.1B

    America's prisons house 351,000 criminal aliens who committed a crime after having already broken the law by entering American illegally. Making taxpayers pay for 351,000 criminals who should never have been here in the first place is ridiculous. The annual price tag to incarcerate these thugs is $1.1 billion. And get this: criminal aliens have an average of seven arrests. That's at least seven crimes committed against American citizens by each of these criminals who should never have been allowed to cross our borders. One out of every three federal prison inmates is a Latino, and three quarters of these are here illegally.
    Source: Time to Get Tough, by Donald Trump, p.136 , Dec 5, 2011

    Anchor babies were NEVER the intent of the 14th Amendment

    The root cause of all the welfare payments to illegal aliens is the so-called "anchor baby" phenomenon, which is when illegal immigrant mothers have a baby on American soil. The child automatically becomes an American citizen, Though this was NEVER the intention of the Fourteenth Amendment, which states, "All citizens born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the state wherein they reside." The clear purpose of the Fourteenth Amendment, ratified in 1868, three years after the end of the Civil War, was to guarantee full citizenship rights to now emancipated former slaves. It was not intended to guarantee untrammeled immigration to the United States. Source: Time to Get Tough, by Donald Trump, p.140-141 , Dec 5, 2011

    Invite foreigners graduating from college to stay in US

    Our country's leaders are just so plan stupid. As an example, foreign students come over to our colleges, learn everything there is to learn about physics, finance, mathematics, and computers, and graduate with honors. They would love to stay in this country, but we don't allow them to. We immediately ship them back to their country to use all of the knowledge they learned at the best colleges in the United States back in their country rather than keep it here in ours. When we have gifted people in this country we should cherish them and let them stay. But instead we fling our arms wide open to the lowlifes, the criminals, the people who have no intention to contribute to our country.

    Wouldn't it be better if we invited foreign student graduating from our colleges to stay to build American companies, instead of foreign companies that will be wreaking havoc against Boeing, Caterpillar, and many other of our great American companies in the future?
    Source: Time to Get Tough, by Donald Trump, p.145 , Dec 5, 2011

    Triple-layered fence & Predator drones on Mexican border

    I am impressed with the success of the double- and triple-layered fence in places like Yuma, Arizona. The wall there is a serious 20-foot wall. It has three walls separated by 75-yard "no man's lands" for border agents to zoom up and down in vehicles. It also has cameras, radio systems, radar, and pole-topped lights. After the triple-layered fence was installed, the 120-mile stretch of the US-Mexican border known as the Yuma sector experienced a 72 percent plunge in illegal immigrant apprehensions. We need to be ready to build other kinds of fences, too. The point is that properly built walls work. We just need the political will to finish the job. And by the way, finishing the job will employ a lot of construction workers. Moreover, I call on Congress and the president to hire another 25,000 border patrol agents and give them the aerial equipment they need, such as Predator drones, to provide real-time aerial reconnaissance information to agents guarding the border wall.
    Source: Time to Get Tough, by Donald Trump, p.146-147 , Dec 5, 2011


    Control borders; even legal immigration should be difficult

    America is experiencing serious social and economic difficulty with illegal immigrants who are flooding across our borders. We simply can’t absorb them. It is a scandal when America cannot control its own borders. A liberal policy of immigration may seem to reflect confidence and generosity. But our current laxness toward illegal immigration shows a recklessness and disregard for those who live here legally. The majority of legal immigrants can often make significant contributions to our society because they have special skills and because they add to our nation’s cultural diversity. They come with the best of intentions. But legal immigrants do not and should not enter easily. It’s a long, costly, draining, and often frustrating experience-by design. I say to legal immigrants: Welcome and good luck.

    It comes down to this: we must take care of our own people first. Our policy to people born elsewhere should be clear: Enter by the law, or leave.
    Source: The America We Deserve, by Donald Trump, p.143-45 , Jul 2, 2000

    Limit new immigration; focus on people already here

    Trump was firm concerning restrictions in immigration. “I’m opposed to new people coming in,” he said. “We have to take care of the people who are here.” Source: nytimes.com/library/politics , Dec 10, 1999

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    Donald Trump Defends His Immigration Stance Amid Miss Universe Controversy: 'I Don't Have a Racist Bone in My Body'

    By Janine Rayford Rubenstein @JanineRayford 06/26/2015 AT 12:50 PM EDT

    Amidst growing backlash over his controversial comments about Mexican immigration during his presidential campaign announcement, Donald Trump tells PEOPLE he's standing by his words.

    "I love the Mexican people and have great respect for Mexico," Trump says. "But Mexico has totally taken advantage of the United States, both at the border and at trade. I'm exposing the truth."

    As for the disparaging things he said about undocumented immigrants – that Mexican immigrants are "bringing drugs … they're bringing crime … they're rapists" – the real estate mogul and reality star remains unapologetic.

    "There is nothing to apologize for. Many bad people are pouring through. I'm not saying just Mexican, many bad people. All you have to do is ask the border patrol," Trump says. "I don't have a racist bone in my body. I'm just exposing things that everybody knows is happening, but nobody wants to talk about."

    Following his comments, Spanish-language TV station Univision announced it is "ending the company's business relationship with the Miss Universe Organization," which Trump owns. And in a statement obtained by PEOPLE, NBC, which airs the pageant in English, said "Donald Trump's opinions do not represent those of NBC, and we do not agree with his position on a number of issues, including his recent comments on immigration."

    "NBC has been a tremendous friend and partner," Trump says of the network that also airs his family's reality show, The Apprentice. As for Univision, "They do most of their business in Mexico," he says. "They're trying to silence me. The border is a disaster, and they don't want me to expose that."

    In the face of all this, Trump says he's still optimistic about his run to become the Republican nominee.

    "I can't tell you what's going to happen six months from now," he says. "As you know the polls have been extraordinary."
    Sounds like a fighter on our issue to me.
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    Judy wrote:

    No, it's different. Even that won't fly and that comment won't stick if he actually made it. There's a ton of media coverage misquoting him. But, until Congress passes the bill that authorizes states to enforce US immigration law, he's right, it's not realistic. DHS won't deport. So until we have state and local law enforcement agencies involved with the resources to make the arrests and conduct the deportations, then he's right, we all know that. So, lets wait and see what Congress does, so we can know what a President can actually do with deportations.
    It's no different, either you support amnesty or you don't. The one thing I've learned after all these years is, there is no middle ground where amnesty is concerned! You're letting your like for Trump shadow your senses on this one. If he actually said what ReformUSA reported, he is an amnesty supporter! No twisting of words will change that fact!

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    I'm with you "MW."
    "...either you support amnesty or you don't."

    I am getting a headache trying to keep up with Trump. I do not trust the “news” media because they have proven to be an unreliable source for accurate information. They can spin a story and take things out of context so as to make a “no” appear as a “yes.”

    So what is the truth? Did Trump really say that it is impractical to deport them? That is manifestly not true; President Eisenhower did virtually that in 1956. and it was not expensive nor difficult. Look up “Operation Wet Back.” Sorry don't mean to be "insensitive" but that is what they called it.



    So is trump pandering to the Hispanic vote like all of the others? I know he said a lot of great stuff earlier but is he “evolving” and doing a 180 degree turn around?

    He is already on my crap list for his insensitive insult to Southerners with Confederate ancestors when he agreed that in South Carolina the Confederate battle flag should come down. Oops, I get my double standards all mixed up. I must get this right; let’s see-- it is ok to be insensitive to Whites it is just not ok to be insensitive to Blacks. I think I got it now.

    So what is the truth about Trump and the illegal immigration crisis? I am trying to persuade myself to support him but it is becoming a real challenge. It is fundamental that illegal aliens go home. If they stay that is amnesty and all other policies will be meaningless. Like closing the barn door after the horse has run off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MW View Post
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    It's no different, either you support amnesty or you don't. The one thing I've learned after all these years is, there is no middle ground where amnesty is concerned! You're letting your like for Trump shadow your senses on this one. If he actually said what ReformUSA reported, he is an amnesty supporter! No twisting of words will change that fact!
    No, I'm referring to this part of your statements:

    Isn't that the same plan Obama keeps talking about? Keep the non-felons and deport the criminals.
    No, it's different than Obama's plan. If those are Trump's words, he's saying he wants to deport moochers and criminals "for sure" and maybe figure something else out for some of the rest. Yes, that is amnesty and as I said in my post, if these are his comments that won't fly with me, but I also don't think he'll stick to that. I think he'll tighten it up and say they've all got to go as soon as there is a realistic means to do so, which requires Congress passing the bill that acknowledges and authorizes states rights to enforce US immigration law.

    Why would you make such posts directed at me, anyway? The main reason I like Trump is because of his long-standing position on stopping illegal immigration, reducing if not stopping legal immigration and ending free trade treason. You act like you just heard of this guy and this is the first of my posts you've ever read.

    If Trump supports any form of amnesty, then I won't support him. But if he's saying we can't deport them all now with what we have to work with, then he'll at least for sure deport all the moochers and criminals.

    Now it may just be that Trump has done his homework and knows the statistic from CIS that more than 60% of illegal aliens are on some type of welfare which makes them "moochers", 75% from Mexico. Now if his plan is to deport more than 75% of the illegal aliens from Mexico and more than 60% of the rest who are here mooching on welfare, would you have a problem with that? And if another 20% to 30% of illegal aliens have committed crimes, not just felonies, he didn't say anything about felonies, he said criminals which means crimes which means violations of law, then that's getting pretty close to 90%. Hopefully other laws will be passed by Congress like E-Verify and the states with authorization to enforce and self-deportation will take care of the rest. Then the eeny meenie residual he would put to a merit test, which I'm sure most would fail, he would FIRE THEM and send them packing.

    But please by all means show me a candidate who would do more than Trump, and I'll give him/her due consideration, because I'm still open for a dark horse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by csarbww View Post
    I'm with you "MW."
    "...either you support amnesty or you don't."

    I am getting a headache trying to keep up with Trump. I do not trust the “news” media because they have proven to be an unreliable source for accurate information. They can spin a story and take things out of context so as to make a “no” appear as a “yes.”

    So what is the truth? Did Trump really say that it is impractical to deport them? That is manifestly not true; President Eisenhower did virtually that in 1956. and it was not expensive nor difficult. Look up “Operation Wet Back.” Sorry don't mean to be "insensitive" but that is what they called it.



    So is trump pandering to the Hispanic vote like all of the others? I know he said a lot of great stuff earlier but is he “evolving” and doing a 180 degree turn around?

    He is already on my crap list for his insensitive insult to Southerners with Confederate ancestors when he agreed that in South Carolina the Confederate battle flag should come down. Oops, I get my double standards all mixed up. I must get this right; let’s see-- it is ok to be insensitive to Whites it is just not ok to be insensitive to Blacks. I think I got it now.

    So what is the truth about Trump and the illegal immigration crisis? I am trying to persuade myself to support him but it is becoming a real challenge. It is fundamental that illegal aliens go home. If they stay that is amnesty and all other policies will be meaningless. Like closing the barn door after the horse has run off.
    In his statement to TMZ he said the government doesn't even know how many there are, Trump said there's between 10 and 30 million. We know it's 30 million or more by now. It was 20 million 9 years ago and they've been streaming in by the millions every year.

    So, can DHS deport 30 million illegal aliens? No, it can not. It can't deport 10 million illegal aliens. They deport about 1.5 million a year and over 1 million of those are those quick deportations at the border. Now with more than that coming in every year, your number grows larger every year and you never deport them all. Yes, Ike deported about 1.1 million in the first year, 250,000 in the second year and then it dwindled after that. In order to deport all illegal aliens, we have to authorize enforcement by state and local law enforcement. They have the manpower, the equipment, the training and other resources needed to do this.

    Trump may not know about the plan to use state and local law enforcement, more than 800,000 sworn, trained, ready and able police officers to arrest and help deport illegal aliens. But he'll find out before this is over and with that resource, now deportation is realistic. The average arrest per officer of those 800,000 police officers is 15 per year, just a little over 1 a month. I wonder what Trump will think of that number? I think he'll be unimpressed especially when he learns that 30% of those are non-violent drug offenses, almost 1.6 million a year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MW View Post
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    It's no different, either you support amnesty or you don't. The one thing I've learned after all these years is, there is no middle ground where amnesty is concerned! You're letting your like for Trump shadow your senses on this one. If he actually said what ReformUSA reported, he is an amnesty supporter! No twisting of words will change that fact!
    Its not as simple as that in the political landscape and Trump knows this as anyone else who opens their eyes. To many Americans have bought into the talk that its impractical to go deporting every single illegal alien, I know this and I'd hope you know this. I know Trump knows this. Trumps words are right down the line that makes sense to someone uninformed and makes better sense to someone who is informed. I explained this earlier but will state again.

    First you aim to secure the border fully, easy enough to do if the National Guard is used and take the handcuffs off. Next you start enforcing the laws in the books, any new enters are sent packing immediately (fingerprint them and kick them back... no waiting). Start deporting any illegal alien convicted of a crime starting from violent crimes or a number of convictions. As this is happening laws should be pushed through Congress to end so called sanctuary cities/states making it a crime to not assist federal officers, allowing states to assist in catching and deporting illegal aliens (even mandating it), and importantly removing ALL welfare benefits to illegal aliens including correcting the abuse of the 14th Amendment. Even the SCOTUS decision for education for children of illegal aliens can be overturned quite easily using its own words and attaching a significant cost to it. Add in to the law any illegal alien free loading will be disqualified for any possible future status and be deported with ban.

    Now that alone should be able to get rid of 90-95% of illegal aliens. Either they have a criminal history that will get them deported, free loading which will get them deported, or life just isn't easy enough in the US to make it worth it to them and they will pack up and leave in mass. Add in that each family likely has a free loader, criminal, or someone who just can't manage well enough anymore (plus no more education on any level by taxpayers) and most of the problem is gone. Now at this point is when the talk of Amnesty *might* start with the very few left. However the very few left would have lost almost all of their power if not all of it and as they would once again be scared to try protesting and coming out publicly the issue becomes one not worth it. Eventually those would likely just vanish.

    Trump knows if you get rid of the real bad ones, and then make life miserable for the rest without any benefits at all then the problem will take care of itself for the most part. This is why when he speaks on it his first words are always about those 2 key things, so it makes sense to say *who knows after that*.

    But it is impracticle to deport every single one of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReformUSA2012 View Post
    Its not as simple as that in the political landscape and Trump knows this as anyone else who opens their eyes. To many Americans have bought into the talk that its impractical to go deporting every single illegal alien, I know this and I'd hope you know this. I know Trump knows this. Trumps words are right down the line that makes sense to someone uninformed and makes better sense to someone who is informed. I explained this earlier but will state again.

    First you aim to secure the border fully, easy enough to do if the National Guard is used and take the handcuffs off. Next you start enforcing the laws in the books, any new enters are sent packing immediately (fingerprint them and kick them back... no waiting). Start deporting any illegal alien convicted of a crime starting from violent crimes or a number of convictions. As this is happening laws should be pushed through Congress to end so called sanctuary cities/states making it a crime to not assist federal officers, allowing states to assist in catching and deporting illegal aliens (even mandating it), and importantly removing ALL welfare benefits to illegal aliens including correcting the abuse of the 14th Amendment. Even the SCOTUS decision for education for children of illegal aliens can be overturned quite easily using its own words and attaching a significant cost to it. Add in to the law any illegal alien free loading will be disqualified for any possible future status and be deported with ban.

    Now that alone should be able to get rid of 90-95% of illegal aliens. Either they have a criminal history that will get them deported, free loading which will get them deported, or life just isn't easy enough in the US to make it worth it to them and they will pack up and leave in mass. Add in that each family likely has a free loader, criminal, or someone who just can't manage well enough anymore (plus no more education on any level by taxpayers) and most of the problem is gone. Now at this point is when the talk of Amnesty *might* start with the very few left. However the very few left would have lost almost all of their power if not all of it and as they would once again be scared to try protesting and coming out publicly the issue becomes one not worth it. Eventually those would likely just vanish.

    Trump knows if you get rid of the real bad ones, and then make life miserable for the rest without any benefits at all then the problem will take care of itself for the most part. This is why when he speaks on it his first words are always about those 2 key things, so it makes sense to say *who knows after that*.

    But it is impracticle to deport every single one of them.
    Just to clarify that is not my quote in the quote part of your post, but MW's. Not sure why the site does that. Sometimes you have to edit and delete the "Judy wrote" when she didn't.

    I agree with your post except that IF Congress will authorize states to enforce US immigration law, like Trey Gowdy's bill does, THEN it becomes very practical to deport every single one of them. 800,000 state and local police officers arresting 2 illegal aliens a month is 1.6 million a month which is 19.2 million arrests a year. They would all be gone in 18 months and we would have dropped welfare rolls by at least 20 million people and saved over $300 billion a year just on welfare to illegal aliens alone. Then at least 10 million jobs would open up for Americans and proper wages and drop the welfare rolls by another 20 million at least.

    All of this is not being lost on Mr. Trump. He's a numbers guy.
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    Trump is a numbers guy so he knows the cost of his plan. That article didn't include his statement about the "moochers" being deported, so I don't know if he's being quoted right or not.

    How does someone like Trump who had it right for 30 years, get it so wrong the year he could have actually been elected President of the United States? Why would you wans to give American jobs to illegal aliens so they can be "productive" and "carry their own freight" at the expense of our citizens, who are forced to forfeit their jobs to illegal aliens so illegal aliens can stay in the country. This makes no sense.

    Still looking for that dark horse.
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