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    Where does Walker really stand on immigration?

    Where does Walker really stand on immigration?

    Wednesday, July 15, 2015
    | Chad Groening (OneNewsNow.com)

    An immigration enforcement activist says it's typical that Governor Scott Walker has been labeled a racist for daring to question illegal immigration or amnesty.

    Just hours after the Wisconsin Republican announced his presidential bid on Monday, groups that favor illegal immigration held a teleconference to attack his immigration policies.

    Christine Neumann-Ortiz, executive director of Milwaukee-based Voces de la Frontera, said her group believes Walker's "enforcement-first agenda" is a clear expression of someone trying to sow the seeds of racial and ethnic hatred.


    William Gheen, president of Americans for Legal Immigration PAC (ALIPAC), describes the criticism as "the standard reaction from all of the illegal alien invasion groups."


    "People like Christine Neumann-Ortiz have the blood on their hands of all the Americans who are being killed and injured by the illegal alien invasion they support," he tells OneNewsNow.

    "And any politician or activist or individual in America who has a problem with illegal immigration will quickly be called a racist or accused of racism without any real proof."


    Walker's campaign responded to the criticism by Neumann-Ortiz, saying "recent attempts by extreme liberal activists to distort and mischaracterize Governor Walker's position only underscore how much the far left fears his candidacy."


    While that indeed may be the case, Gheen isn't sure Walker is as pro-border enforcement as Neumann-Ortiz and other critics contend.


    "While many of our supporters of ALIPAC want to believe that, they're a little uneasy with the fact that he used to vocally support immigration reform amnesty," he notes.


    Gheen argues that Walker sees the poll numbers on illegal immigration and "now that he's running for president" opposes amnesty.

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    ah, they left out the part about how amnesty supporters like the Koch Brothers and Grover Norquist are supporting Walker, but good article all the same.

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    Gov. Scott Walker (R-WI)

    On the 2016 campaign trail, Scott Walker has distanced himself from his past support for a pathway to citizenship and immigration reform in a series of muddled, and contradictory, pronouncements. His most recent attempt to clarify his stance has led him to embrace the discredited, offensive, and unworkable “report to deport” concept. Even more recently, in April of 2015, Walker allied himself with Jeff Sessions and the radical idea of limiting legal immigration. He also wants undocumented immigrants “to go back to their country of origin and get in line behind everybody else who’s waiting.” This latest policy stance, which seems a mix of incoherent and radical, positions Walker to the right of Mitt Romney from 2012.

    Walker is currently leading one of the 26 states suing President Obama over executive action, so that’s an automatic point against him. Upon joining the lawsuit, he said:

    I think the Republicans in Washington need to take the president to court. They need to force this issue. I think it’s bigger than the subject matter of immigration.


    His spokeswoman also added:
    Obama’s executive action should be repealed, it isn’t fair to hardworking Americans and to those who have waited in line to do things the right way and only incentivizes further illegal behavior.

    Walker’s Wisconsin stands to gain $19 million over five years in increased tax revenues from immigrants with DAPA status, yet he wants to overturn executive action in order to drive people back into the shadows and make them more deportable.


    On other immigration positions, Walker has been all over the place. In 2001 when Walker was a state assemblyman, he signed a bill supporting in-state tuition for undocumented students. That bill was eventually vetoed by then-Gov. Scott McCallum. A different bill on the issue was passed in 2009, which Walker repealed in 2011. In 2006 as a Milwaukee County Executive, he signed a resolution supporting the McCain-Kennedy immigration reform bill.


    In 2010 he said he would sign an Arizona-style anti-immigrant bill if it came to his desk; by 2012 he was saying that “I think that it would be a huge distraction for us in this state.” In 2013 he briefly appeared to support a path to citizenship, saying:

    “It’s all is about the 11 million [undocumented immigrants],” Walker said. “You hear some people talk about border security and a wall and all that. To me, I don’t know that you need any of that if you had a better, saner way to let people into the country in the first place.”

    Walker added: “If people want to come here and work hard in this country, I don’t care if you come from Mexico or Canada or Ireland or Germany or South Africa or anywhere else. I want them here.”

    In the same interview, Walker said “I think they need to fix things for people who are already here, find some way to deal with that.” When asked specifically about the 11 million undocumented immigrants already in the country, and whether he could “envision a world where with the right penalties and waiting periods and meet the requirements where those people could get citizenship,” Walker replied “sure … I mean I think that makes sense.”


    But soon, he walked that back, saying “on immigration I talked about fixing the legal immigration system, not going beyond that.” Last summer Walker bemoaned the increase in children coming to the border, saying that the thought of children facing such dangers almost brought him “to tears.” Walker was not much help when it came to taking in and sheltering the children, however, saying that the federal government should find a way to deal with them and that housing them could eventually “drain the entire system.”

    In early 2015, he said this about immigration reform:
    I think for sure, we need to secure the border. I think we need to enforce the legal system. I’m not for amnesty, I’m not an advocate of the plans that have been pushed here in Washington, and I think should I become a candidate, because I’m not yet, it’s part of the exploratory process here, that is something we’re going to lay out, plans for the future. But we’ve got to have a healthy balance. We’re a country both of immigrants and of laws. We can’t ignore the laws in this country, can’t ignore the people who come in, whether it’s from Mexico or Central America.

    We need to enforce the laws of the United States, and we need to find a way for people to have a legitimate legal immigration system in this country, and that doesn’t mean amnesty.

    But, Walker clarified his views on on March 1, 2015 during an interview with FOX News. Walker disavowed his earlier support for a path to citizenship and adopted the rhetoric of the anti-immigrant crowd:

    “I don’t believe in amnesty,” said Walker, who finished second Saturday in the Conservative Political Action Conference’s straw poll for potential 2016 Republican presidential candidates. “We need to secure the border. We ultimately need to put in place a system that works — a legal immigration system that works.”


    Walker, as noted, also is among the 26 Republican governors and Attorney Generals who have joined in a lawsuit challenging the president’s 2014 executive action that defers deportation for millions of illegal immigrants.

    Between the comments and the lawsuit Walker has decided to appeal to the nativist base in his party.

    In March of 2015, Walker found himself in a controversy after hiring Republican operative Liz Mair. In January, Mair, who is an advocate for immigration reform, tweeted about Steve King’s forum in Iowa, “In other news, I see Iowa is once again embarrassing itself, and the GOP, this morning. Thanks, guys.” After she was hired, Iowa officials complained, which led to Mair’s dismissal.


    On March 26, 2015, The Wall Street Journal
    reported that Walker expressed support for a path to citizenship at a private dinner in New Hampshire:

    Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker told a private dinner of New Hampshire Republicans this month that he backed the idea of allowing undocumented immigrants to stay in the country and to eventually become eligible for citizenship, a position at odds with his previous public statements on the matter.

    Mr. Walker’s remarks, which were confirmed by three people present and haven’t been reported previously, vary from the call he has made in recent weeks for “no amnesty”—a phrase widely employed by people who believe immigrants who broke the law by entering the country without permission shouldn’t be awarded legal status or citizenship.

    The changing positions by Mr. Walker, a likely candidate for the GOP presidential nomination, show the difficulty that some in the Republican Party face as they try to appeal both to the conservative GOP primary electorate—which largely opposes liberalizing immigration laws—and business leaders and general election voters who have been more supportive of granting legal status to undocumented immigrants.


    That latest flip of Walker’s previous flop garnered immediate attention from political reporters:
    Walker in ’13: Yeah, citizenship makes sense Walker on 3/1/15: “My view has changed” Walker on 3/13/15: Yeah, citizenship makes sense
    — Mark Murray (@mmurraypolitics) March 26, 2015

    NBC’s Murray also noted on twitter
    , “This immigration story is VERY problematic for Scott Walker – esp after he tried to clean it up earlier.”


    Walker headed to the Rio Grande Valley of Texas on March 27, 2015 to tour the border, and attempted to extricate himself from his self-created political predicament with yet another “clarification” on his immigration stance. According to Patrick Svitek of the Texas Tribune, Gov. Walker said: “if somebody wants to be a citizen, they need to go back to their country of origin, get in line, no preferential treatment … In terms of what to do beyond that, again, that’s something we got to work with Congress on.”


    In other words, Walker seems to be endorsing the ridiculous “report to deport” concept. The “report to deport” idea has been touted before by Republican politicians, most notably by Senator John Cornyn (R-TX) and former Senator Jon Kyl (R-AZ) a decade ago. According to AV’s Frank Sharry, “ Walker’s touting of ‘report to deport’ represents a further embrace of hardline and unworkable immigration policy at odds with his past endorsement of sensible reform. Politically, it might as well have the Mitt Romney 2012 seal of approval, as it’s tilting dangerously toward the infamous ‘self-deportation’ concept. Not only does the transparent pandering to hardline primary voters threaten the eventual Republican nominee’s chances of retaking the White House, but it goes beyond immigration to raise larger questions and concerns of character, consistency and leadership.”


    On April 9, 2015, Walker appeared on Sean Hannity’s FOX News show where he doubled-down on his “border security” talking point, “If the United States was being attacked in one of our water ports on the East or West Coast, we’d be sending in our military forces, and yet we’re facing some of the same challenges with international criminal organizations, the cartels that are trafficking not only drugs but weapons and humans, and we need to step up and be aggressive,” Walker continued. “that means securing the border with infrastructure, with technology, with personnel and the federal government’s got to lead the way. We can’t expect the border states to do this alone.”


    “You can’t be talking about anything else until you do that,” Walker concluded. “Once you do that, then we can talk about enforcing the laws — by using an effective E-verify system for all employers…and making sure that any legal immigration system — no amnesty — any legal immigration system we go forward with is one that ultimately has to protect American workers and make sure American wages are going up.”


    On April 20, 2015, Walker
    aligned himself with Senator Jeff Sessions (R-AL) by taking stand against legal immigration – while appearing to call for deportations of the undocumented immigrants:

    Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, a likely 2016 GOP presidential candidate, pledged to protect American workers from the economic effects, not only of illegal immigration but also of a massive increase in legal immigration.


    During an interview with Glenn Beck, Walker became the first declared or potential 2016 GOP presidential candidate to stake out a position on immigration fully in line with that of Senate Judiciary Committee subcommittee on Immigration and the National Interest chairman Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL). He also noted that he has been working with Chairman Sessions on the issue to learn more about it.

    Walker is now the only potential or declared GOP presidential candidate to discuss the negative effects of a massive increase in legal immigration on American workers:
    In terms of legal immigration, how we need to approach that going forward is saying—the next president and the next congress need to make decisions about a legal immigration system that’s based on, first and foremost, on protecting American workers and American wages, because the more I’ve talked to folks, I’ve talked to Senator Sessions and others out there—but it is a fundamentally lost issue by many in elected positions today—is what is this doing for American workers looking for jobs, what is this doing to wages, and we need to have that be at the forefront of our discussion going forward.


    Walker discussed how in the past he did support amnesty, but says he doesn’t anymore, because he has learned more about the issue. That shows him to be one of the most open-minded GOP candidates on such matters.


    In the same interview, Walker espoused support for E-Verify. He also reiterated his opposition to “amnesty” – and doesn’t have a plan for the 11 million undocumented immigrants currently in the country beyond “go home,” because there is no “line” for them to get in:

    Walker also discussed the need for interior enforcement:

    Then I think you need to enforce the law and the way you effectively do that is to require every employer in America to use an effective E-Verify system and by effective I mean you need to require particularly small businesses and farmers and ranchers. We got to have a system that works, but then the onus is on the employers and the penalties have to be steep that they’re only hiring people who are here, who are legal to be here. No amnesty, if someone wants to be a citizen, they have to go back to their country of origin and get in line behind everybody else who’s waiting.



    Based on thees recent remarks, Gov. Walker now opposes any form of legalization of undocumented immigrants, opposes President Obama’s executive actions on behalf of immigrants, wants to further restrict legal immigration, and proposes to ramp up both border and interior enforcement without making reforms that deal humanely and practically with the 11 million undocumented immigrants in America and create expanded legal channels for workers and families with sponsorship opportunities. As Frank Sharry noted, “Scott Walker’s new positions make Mitt Romney’s immigration agenda look moderate by comparison.”


    On April 22nd, America’s Voice did a deeper dive into Walker’s remarks: Unpacking Scott Walker’s Immigration Stance: What Happens to the 11 Million Undocumented Immigrants, which noted:

    the undocumented here can go home and apply the right way, says Scott Walker. This statement displays enormous ignorance. The fact is our system is dysfunctional because for almost all of the undocumented works in America there is no line to get into. Not here, not there. Yes, there are a couple of controversial temporary visa programs (H2A and H2B) that allow workers in for months at a time before having to return to their countries of origin. But for those able to be sponsored by U.S. employers and seeking full-time low-skilled employment, there are 5,000 permanent visas a year. This is hardly enough to deal with the 8 million currently working in America. In addition, precious few have relatives in a position to sponsor them under our family immigration system. But even more important is that, under current law, once a settled undocumented immigrant returns to their country of origin they are subject to a 10 year bar from the country as a penalty for having stayed in the U.S. without authorization for more than a year.


    In other words, the deal Walker is offering the 11 million undocumented immigrants in America is this: you will no longer be able to keep your job; we will try to fine and jail any employer who hires you in the future; there’s no way for you to get legal status here in the U.S.; so leave everything you’ve built here and go back to your country of origin so you can apply for non-existent visas, which you are eligible for after your 10-year ban from the country.


    After Hillary Clinton announced her immigration reform proposals on May 5, 2015, Walker personally tweeted his disapproval:


    Walker has reinvented himself on immigration, rapidly moving from pro-reform pragmatist to anti-immigrant crusader in the mold of Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL). More a jumble of focus group-tested soundbites than a serious policy stance, Walker’s newly-minted hardline immigration vision is a bizarre mix of the radical and incoherent. Nevertheless, Gov. Walker still stands by some of his past pro-immigration policies – if you’re a millionaire investor. As the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported:

    Gov. Scott Walker has been trying to turn himself into an anti-immigration crusader as he gears up to run for president in 2016. But there’s one federal visa program you won’t hear him attack. It’s the controversial and deeply troubled immigrant investor program. The program — known as EB-5 — puts wealthy foreigners on the path to U.S. citizenship if they invest at least $500,000 in an American commercial project that will create or preserve 10 jobs.


    So let’s get this straight: Gov. Walker is against immigration solutions that would provide a way forward for millions of hard-working undocumented immigrants settled in America, but is for immigration programs that sell visas to wealthy immigrants who still live overseas. Even more absurd, on May 19, 2015, Walker took to FOX News to claim his changing views don’t count as a flip-flop, offering a non-sensical rational:

    A flip would be someone who voted on something and did something different,” Walker said. “These are not votes… I don’t have any impact on immigration as a governor. I don’t have any impact as a former county official. I would be if I were to run and ultimately be elected as president.


    It be clear, Walker has flipped and flopped on immigration (except for millionaires.) During an interview with theTampa Bay Times, published on June 3, Walker was asked about his immigration views. The reporter, Alex Leary, asked key questions, including about Walker’s plans for the undocumented. The candidate’s answers were described as “vague” and “uneven”:

    Scott Walker said he adamantly opposes a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants, but was vague in an interview with the Tampa Bay Times about what should be done with the 11 million people already in the U.S. “My belief is that because the system is so broken, we need to do the other things I mention before we can even begin to start talking about what the president and the next Congress can do,” Walker said, referring to his call for more border security and enforcement of existing law. “Until we deal with those other issues, any potential solution is largely irrelevant.” Walker’s comments continued an uneven response to the vexing issue of immigration since he emerged as a presidential hopeful. The Wisconsin governor once supported a path to citizenship, but earlier this year veered to the right, then backed off a bit. The shifting positions have left many wonder what exactly does he think should be done.


    The Tampa Bay Times interview summed up Walker and immigration: Shifting positions. Uneven response. Vague.

    On July 6, 2015, The New York Times reported on another example of Walker possibly saying one thing about supporting immigration reform in private, then denying it when the news becomes public:
    Last Wednesday, Stephen Moore, a scholar at the Heritage Foundation who is an outspoken supporter of an immigration overhaul, described a recent telephone call with Gov. Scott Walker of Wisconsin, in which he said Mr. Walker had assured him he had not completely renounced his earlier support for a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants.

    “‘I’m not going nativist, I’m pro-immigration,’” Mr. Walker said, according to Mr. Moore’s account of the call to a reporter for The New York Times.

    On Sunday, after three days of pressure from Mr. Walker’s aides, Mr. Moore said that he had “misspoken” when recounting his call with Mr. Walker — and that the call had never actually taken place.


    As Dara Lind noted at Vox
    , “All Republican candidates are struggling with the donor/voter divide on immigration, but Walker is unusually bad at finessing it.”

    http://americasvoice.org/research/me...ration/#walker

    I realize Walker has bounced around on the issue for a good while but I still think he is our best bet. I'm very interested in seeing what he says over the next 16 months. All this bouncing around needs to stop .... he needs to be consistent in his message.

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    ah, they left out the part about how amnesty supporters like the Koch Brothers and Grover Norquist are supporting Walker, but good article all the same.

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    I do not believe they support Walker's position on immigration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MW View Post
    I do not believe they support Walker's position on immigration.
    And they usually do not support candidates that do not follow their positions on immigration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ALIPAC View Post
    And they usually do not support candidates that do not follow their positions on immigration.

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    Here's where I received my information:

    5:52 pm ET
    Apr 21, 20152016

    Scott Walker’s Immigration Shift at Odds With Koch Group



    Republican Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker speaks during a meeting with Republicans on Sunday in Derry, N.H. Associated Press

    Scott Walker
    won plaudits from David Koch at a New York fundraiser this week, but the Wisconsin governor now finds himself at odds with the leader of Mr. Koch’s Hispanic outreach organization.

    Mr. Koch, one of two billionaire brothers who underwrite a great deal of contemporary Republican politics, heaped praise on the 2016 hopeful at a GOP event Monday in Manhattan. The New York Times reported that he said Mr. Walker, who spoke at the fundraiser, should be the GOP’s presidential nominee. Mr. Koch later issued a statement that he isn’t “endorsing or supporting any candidate for president at this point in time.”
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    The same day as the fundraiser, however, Mr. Walker appeared to lurch to the right on immigration politics — calling for new restrictions on legal immigration — during a Monday appearance onGlenn Beck’s radio show. Those comments drew scorn from Daniel Garza, the executive director of the Libre Initiative, the Koch-backed organization that promotes free-market principles to Hispanic audiences.

    “Any call, by anyone, to further restrict legal immigration is not a viable, nor an acceptable policy remedy,” Mr. Garza said Tuesday.
    In his radio appearance, Mr. Walker appeared to adopt Sen. Jeff Sessions’s (R., Ala.) position that there should be new limits on legal immigration. Mr. Walker said there ought to be “adjustments” to the legal immigration system that protect “American workers and American wages.” In remarks first reported by Breitbart, Mr. Walker vowed to protect American workers from additional legal immigration, and specifically cited Mr. Sessions, who in January released an “immigration handbook” that argued against some legal immigration.

    That did not go over well with Mr. Garza, who said Tuesday he is disappointed with Mr. Walker’s latest turn. Mr. Garza said Mr. Walker is in danger of marginalizing himself should he becoming the GOP’s presidential nominee. In 2012, GOP nominee Mitt Romney won just 27% of Hispanic votes after suggesting undocumented immigrants would “self-deport” under his policies.

    “I don’t think that any candidate should really speak on the issue in a way that satisfies only one dimension of the American electorate,” Mr. Garza said. “You can’t just have a narrow slice of Americans and cater to a very narrow slice. We’ll continue to coordinate activities with folks who want to align with us on these kinds of remedies.”

    Mr. Garza said he met with Mr. Walker in Madison last year, before Mr. Walker renounced his previous support for an immigration policy that included a path to citizenship for the undocumented. Mr. Walker has said he changed his mind after talking with people like Texas Gov. Greg Abbott, an opponent of a more inclusive immigration policy. (Mr. Walker last month told a small New Hampshire dinner that he still backed a citizenship path, though he said days later that isn’t his position.)

    The Republican National Committee, which in 2013 endorsed comprehensive immigration reform as part of an effort to be more competitive in national elections, declined to make available its deputy political director for Hispanic initiatives, Jennifer Sevilla Korn. Spokesman Sean Spicer said the party doesn’t comment on GOP campaigns.

    Mr. Walker is hardly the only leading Republican presidential contender to adopt a more conservative position on immigration policy.
    Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush on Tuesday said he would overturn President Barack Obama’s executive actions that limit deportations of some undocumented immigrants. Mr. Bush, who has been critical of Mr. Obama’s use of executive authority, told radio host Michael Medved that he would repeal Mr. Obama’s deferred action policies, known as DACA and DAPA.

    “The DACA and DAPA? Yes I would [repeal them],” Mr. Bush said. “It’s possible that by the time the next president arrives the courts will have overturned those because this concept of prosecutorial discretion, which is what he’s used as the basis for these executive orders, is to look at cases on a case-by-case basis and he’s had millions of people basically by the stroke of a pen be given temporary status. I think the better answer is to fix the immigration problem, to solve it the regular order way, which is to go to Congress, have a proposal, work on a bipartisan fashion to fix a broken immigration system.”

    Mr. Bush last month said he still favors a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants
    . He called his position on immigration “the grown-up plan.”

    Mr. Walker’s aides said it’s not the first time he’s proposed limiting legal immigration, citing an a Fox News interview with Sean Hannity earlier this month.

    Governor Walker supports American workers’ wages and the U.S. economy and thinks both should be considered when crafting a policy for legal immigration,” Walker spokeswoman AshLee Strong said. “He strongly supports legal immigration, and like many Americans, believes that our economic situation should be considered instead of arbitrary caps on the amount of immigrants that can enter.”


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    Which increases the level of concern wondering if Scott Walker really has reversed his position on immigration from amnesty to being against amnesty or if he is proving the wealthy elites what they are willing to pay the most for which is a Republican willing and capable of misleading GOP voters to win and then serving their elite masters on issues instead. Just like McCain and Romney.

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    Here's something else:

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    Indeed, while Walker may not gain with his new stance on immigration, he won’t get hurt either; not with Republican voters, not with the general public, and not with his chief benefactors. No, the Koch brothers haven’t officially committed to Walker as their choice for the GOP presidential nomination—they’re still holding “auditions”—but he’s been a loyal and important ally in Wisconsin, even if he’s to their right on immigration. Given his strength as a politician and his success as a governor, why would they let that get in the way of promoting an effective operator? Their priorities are low taxes, few rules, and a threadbare safety net, and on those items, Walker is a sure bet.
    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...nor_s_new.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by ALIPAC View Post
    Which increases the level of concern wondering if Scott Walker really has reversed his position on immigration from amnesty to being against amnesty or if he is proving the wealthy elites what they are willing to pay the most for which is a Republican willing and capable of misleading GOP voters to win and then serving their elite masters on issues instead. Just like McCain and Romney.

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    I won't deny that there should be concerns. However, taking everything that he's said over the last couple months into account, I choose to give him the benefit of doubt for now. All I can say at this point is, we'll have to keep a close eye on him and see if he can come up with a consistent message over the next 16 months. After all, it's not like we have a whole lot of choices at this point in time. Just put me on the trust but verify list for now.

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