Thread: Eric Trump: My dads immigration plan includes amnesty after deportation

Wow - not good. Thought they would have to apply and be at the bottom of the list, not expedited. And hopefully get lost in the scuffle.

I don't think they should have top of the list preference. They are here illegally, having babies and taking jobs. I do not understand how anyone rents to them, gives them a job etc - aiding and abetting.

Mr Trump's plan will be questioned for clarification in the near future, I would assume. It is understandable if he does not spell letter for letter, THEY ARE LEAVING AND WILL NOT BE BACK. He gets in enough trouble for blunt statements.

If he would have prefaced the ban muslims statement with 'As Pres Carter felt it necessary to ban Iranians during that turmoil etc'....he never would have had such a todo.

His mother was born in Scotland and unbelievably they pulled all his golf awards or whatever, un-endorsed him...way over the top; not as if Scotland is not experiencing runaway islamism either.

Hard to believe EU men are allowing this raping of their daughters. Understand they can lose their job and be fined for making reference to immigrants negatively but STILL! 10,000 school girls raped by muslim pakistanies in Britain or UK and the TEACHERS WERE AFRAID TO BE CALLED RACISTS< SO THEY DID NOT REPORT THE RAPES OF UNDERAGE GIRLS!!!!!??

Originally Posted by artist

Wow - not good. Thought they would have to apply and be at the bottom of the list, not expedited.

I don't think they should have top of the list preference. They are here illegally, having babies and taking jobs. I do not understand how anyone rents to them, gives them a job etc - aiding and abetting.

artist, this is a hit piece by the Bush campaign mixing a limited statement by Trump's son with a piece of legislation introduced years ago. It is not Trump's position. He has said that once they're all out, he would work on a plan to allow some to come back in quickly if a) they're wonderful exemplary people b) they are needed and helping us c) they are working hard and not causing any problems c) they were working at jobs that for some reason Americans didn't want to do d) they're well educated like doctors.

That is frankly an impossible list of conditions for any illegal alien to meet. The article written in the title thread was concocted and written by Marc Thiessen who is a former GW Bush speechwriter, who wrote the lies about going to war, and has a weekly column with the Washington Post. It was also written over 6 weeks ago. What Trump is doing is edging this issue to the top of the charts, by coming out with the policy but with caveats as he goes, and as public support is gained, then he tightens the belt and goes to the next level. That's the strategy and it's working. So he'll tighten the belt a little more next debate, then tighten it a little more for New Hampshire and South Carolina.

Don't feel discouraged by a Bush hit piece written by the same guy who wrote the Iraq War Propaganda for both GW Bush and Donald Rumsfeld, that's trying to bring him down on a false representation of what his son said, that isn't true picture of what even the son said, they cut one sentence out of a long interview, because it's not what Trump has said and it's not what's in his immigration plan, not even close.

STAY TRUE!! STAY TRUMP!!

I hope when questioning him they don't force him to say things that will backfire on him when elected. But once he is in, he could do whatever he wants, just like O.

Seriously, people would rather not go thru that crap again. I think Mr Trump has more credibility and honor but I do not blame him for NOT giving every detail and creating more reason for the illegals to plot and scheme. They are hot headed and it is nothing to them to kill a person. A life is not revered in their country, which is another reason they should not be here. They cannot and will not assimilate to American ways which is a criteria to be here in the USA - so they have to go.

Originally Posted by artist

I hope when questioning him they don't force him to say things that will backfire on him when elected. But once he is in, he could do whatever he wants, just like O.

Seriously, people would rather not go thru that crap again. I think Mr Trump has more credibility and honor but I do not blame him for NOT giving every detail and creating more reason for the illegals to plot and scheme. They are hot headed and it is nothing to them to kill a person. A life is not revered in their country, which is another reason they should not be here. They cannot and will not assimilate to American ways which is a criteria to be here in the USA - so they have to go.

Remember too that there are 30 million illegal aliens in the US. There were 20 million or more in 2005, ten years ago, and they've been pouring in every day since. We have to be very careful about how to get deportation done without riots and harm to Americans. Trump is smart enough to know how to coax criminals off your property without confrontations or violence. Illegal aliens are not nice people, they're criminals and almost all of them work for some foreign drug cartel or other criminal enterprise that paid their way in here to begin with.

artist wrote:

Wow - not good. Thought they would have to apply and be at the bottom of the list, not expedited. And hopefully get lost in the scuffle.

I don't think they should have top of the list preference. They are here illegally, having babies and taking jobs. I do not understand how anyone rents to them, gives them a job etc - aiding and abetting.

Mr Trump's plan will be questioned for clarification in the near future, I would assume. It is understandable if he does not spell letter for letter, THEY ARE LEAVING AND WILL NOT BE BACK. He gets in enough trouble for blunt statements.

We've been here before. Trump's current plan sounds very similar to Mike Pence's "no amnesty" amnesty. Pence's plan involved the illegals going home and immediately returning with legal status, that was assuming they had a job waiting for them. Yep, the illegals had their own special line that entitled them to an "expedited return. He was trying to pass it off as a non-amnesty program by having them leave and immediately return legally. The American public saw it for what it was, amnesty.

TRUMP: I’LL TRY TO BRING BACK ‘GOOD’ ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ‘RAPIDLY’

I think he is smoothing things over with those words. A settling down of the tremendous reaction to "they gotta go". Saying "he will TRY" is not in any way a firm commitment to bringing them back. But it lowers the heat a little.

Main thing is he said they gotta go - no one else has done that! It would take a very long time to organize a come back of the "good ones" if any are able to come back at all. He has to be careful of the groups that tag "hate" etc on him. Better to show a nice engaging likable by all side. I don''t see him changing what he believes and he has made that clear.

He would have more security as President and be able to take more risks. The illegals are not nice people, one has to be wary of wearing a Trump shirt, ha , sign in your window or bumper sticker. They operate as gangs, sneaky and little cowards if alone, can't even look you in the eye.

Originally Posted by Judy

Same old article, by same Bush Plant author, Marc Thiessen, former speech writer for GW Bush and weekly columnist for the Washington Post.

So what? Truth is truth no matter whose mouth it comes out of!

Originally Posted by imblest

So what? Truth is truth no matter whose mouth it comes out of!

It matters because it isn't true.

Americans are soon going to the polls to cast votes in the Republican primary for either a candidate like Trump who plans to deport all 34 million illegal aliens within 2 years using a deportation force or other Republican candidates who won't deport a soul unless they happen to be apprehended by police officers for other crimes.

If there is no plan to deport illegal aliens at a faster rate than they're pouring in, then they are still here with numbers growing every year, and if they are still here, then the problem has not been solved.

Originally Posted by Judy

It matters because it isn't true.

Americans are soon going to the polls to cast votes in the Republican primary for either a candidate like Trump who plans to deport all 34 million illegal aliens within 2 years using a deportation force or other Republican candidates who won't deport a soul unless they happen to be apprehended by police officers for other crimes.

If there is no plan to deport illegal aliens at a faster rate than they're pouring in, then they are still here with numbers growing every year, and if they are still here, then the problem has not been solved.

What exactly are you saying isn't true?

He's not giving them amnesty. He's not giving them "touchback". He's not bringing "all 11 million illegal aliens back". He's not doing any of that. Why would you think he is? All he has said is that some very good ones who are helping us and doing jobs that Americans don't want to do who aren't hurting us may come back legally and for those he would try to expedite their return. That is a very small group of people and existing law may not even allow it.

As I understand it, if they are deported by the government they can't even apply to come back for 10 years. If they leave on their own, then they would have to get in line behind everyone else. If they're Muslim, they aren't coming back until they can be properly vetted. If they're on welfare, they won't be coming back because that is hurting us. If they're working at jobs that are undercutting American wages or stealing jobs from Americans, they aren't coming back because those are jobs Americans want to do. So once you rule all those people out and all the ones who have committed crimes or broken other laws, serious or otherwise, they aren't coming back.

So, it's a very very small number of people who would even meet those general requirements. So, to claim that Trump is mirroring the 2007 "touchback" deal is just simply untrue or to claim he's bringing them all back is untrue or claim he's giving them amnesty is untrue. It's just untrue.

Marc Thiessen didn't work as a speech writer for the Bush Administration because he wrote truth, he worked for the Bush administration because he's a skilled paid political liar.

But that said, there's no problem if you or others want to support other candidates who have no mass deportation plans and have said straight-forwardly that they do not believe in mass deportation plans to remove illegal aliens from the country. I don't understand why anyone would support such candidates, but everyone is entitled to their own view on this matter.

The main reason we have 30 million illegal aliens in the country is because we haven't had a candidate for President willing to deport illegal aliens. Now we do, and I'm sticking on him like a bee making honey.