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    After WWII.
    About then the taxes were raised to support the war effort and started being taken out of paychecks directly.
    They never lowered the taxes afterward.
    About then the Gov. decided that the money was more important than the people who earned it.

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    Actually, when the monetary system was taken off gold, the people became the colateral for the fiat currecy.

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    Thanks again everyone! I believe it is important to know when this happened because with our greater knowledge about how and what happened to cause this will help us greatly in the future to pinpoint a maneuver by or govt to do it again. We will be much better prepared for another huge shift in the way we have to live our lives under changes that we can prevent if only we can stop the triggering blow. You will never find out any of this in a history book and its important to know this just for the fact of determining what in our system works and we need to stick to and what doesn't work and we need to fight those changes back!
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    The biggest thing that would help would be a president like Andy Jackson again. And an administration like the founding fathers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hylander_1314
    The biggest thing that would help would be a president like Andy Jackson again. And an administration like the founding fathers.
    Jackson is the one that double crossed the Native Americans. Remember the trail of tears? Native Americans don't even like to use twenty dollar bills. Jackson used Native Americans to fight in his wars and then forced them from their own land.
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    The biggest question is what are we going to do about it? It really doesn't matter when it started. Everyone has an opinion about it. The fact remains is that we , the American people, have allowed our government to rule instead of govern. We must take back our country and toss out the turncoats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jinky
    The biggest question is what are we going to do about it? It really doesn't matter when it started. Everyone has an opinion about it. The fact remains is that we , the American people, have allowed our government to rule instead of govern. We must take back out our country and toss out the turncoats.
    That is what this thread is about, You can't fight a problem unless you can understand the causes. We as people need to get away form the insanity of repeating mistakes. What do you think we can do to take back our power from the government?
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    As a history major (minor in economics), I've always considered Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal as the turning point in our short history as a country. Here's a few of his deeds that should capture your interests:


    FDR tripled federal taxes from 1933 to 1940. Excise taxes, personal income taxes, inheritance taxes, corporate income taxes, dividend taxes, holding company taxes, everything went up.

    FDR discouraged private investment with his frequent tax hikes (1933, 1934, 1935, 1936) and with his denunciations of investors and employers ("economic royalists").

    FDR channeled government spending and loan programs AWAY from the poorest people (who lived in the South), thereby undermining claims that the New Deal was compassionate. The bulk of New Deal spending and loan programs went to political "swing" states in the west and east, where previous election returns had been close. From FDR's standpoint as an incumbent, there wasn't any point giving a lot of money to the South, even though it was the poorest region, since voters there were already solidly Democratic.

    FDR forced food prices, as well as the prices of manufactured goods and services, above market levels and outlawed discounting. People were fined and even jailed for cutting prices during the New Deal. Such policies penalized over 100 million American consumers and discouraged buying.

    FDR promoted the large-scale destruction of food when millions were hungry, by paying farmers to plow under some 10 million acres of crops and slaughter and discard some 6 million farm animals. This program enriched big farmers who had more food to destroy than small farmers. Black tenant farmers, who depended on work, were devastated.

    FDR broke up the strongest banks, with the lowest failure rate, namely big city banks like J.P. Morgan that diversified by engaging in both investment banking and commercial banking. FDR didn’t do anything about unit banking laws that accounted for 90% of bank failures by preventing small banks from diversifying with branches. Federal deposit insurance failed to stop bank failures – it transferred the cost of bank failures from bank shareholders and depositors to taxpayers.

    FDR promoted government monopolies, the biggest of which was the Tennessee Valley Authority, subsidized by the 98% of American taxpayers who didn’t live in the Tennessee Valley and exempt from state and federal taxes and regulations. Despite such monopoly power, income in the TVA southern states lagged income in the non-TVA southern states (like Georgia, North Carolina and Virginia) by widening margins, and the TVA flooded more land than it saved!

    Touted as a champion of democracy, FDR amassed vast arbitrary power, and even though the Democratic party controlled the White House and both houses of Congress, FDR issued 3,728 executive orders – more than all his successors combined.

    From the beginning to the end, the New Deal was an attack on economic liberty, telling businesses how much they could produce, how much they had to pay people, how much they could charge, making it illegal to sell certain products (like milk) across state lines, suspending the rights of creditors, breaking up lawful businesses, dispossessing thousands of people to make way for government TVA dams and other projects, denying workers the right to choose whether to join a union, seizing the gold of peaceful citizens, using the tax code to punish some people and favor others, on and on.
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig4/powell-jim2.html

    So, IMO, March 1933 was the beginning of the end.

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    Very cool info there MW. I too love to study history, but find little time to go to the library these days.

    It's always good to see this kind of info come to the surface, as it solidifies what I had suspected, but could not find a decent source for confirming my own thoughts.

    The book looks to be a good read through and through if it is just as concise.

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    I for one don't want to take my country back because I never had it to begin with and neither did you. People like us will never run this country. No country has ever been run by common people including this one. The world doesn't work that way. If it did the entire history of the world would have been different. You can't take on the people who have power and expect to win. That's fantasy land. It won't work even if you could get rid of them like what was done during the French Revolution. We don't need that. FDR was actually a nut job. Like Hitler he thought he could remake society for the better. Forget it. Waste of time. What we should focus on is blocking them from putting their agenda like amnesty and higher taxes etc. into effect. That won't be easy because the kooks have super majorities in both houses and a kook for President elect. Make no mistake about it! It's mad men who will soon be running this country but it's always been that way except now they almost have enough power to do what they say they will do. But they can still be blocked, it is still doable.

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