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    Federal Lawsuit: Voter Fraud

    I posted an article entitled "States Robbed of Political Voice by Illegal Aliens" that stated in part

    Indiana, Michigan and Mississippi to each lose a seat in the U.S. House of Representaives in 2000 because of illegal aliens in other states, and Montana did not regain the seat it should have.

    California added three House seats and North Carolina added one because of illegal aliens.

    Legal non-citizens and illegal aliens caused the redistribution of nine seats. In addition to the four aforementioned states that lost because of illegal aliens, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin each lost a seat, while Kentucky and Utah failed to gain a seat they otherwise would have.

    ...Immigration also interferes with presidential elections because the Electoral College is based on the size of congressional delegations.

    In the states that lost a seat because of non-citizens, only 1 in 50 residents is a not a U.S. citizen, compared to 1 in 7 residents in California, which picked up most of the seats.
    Clearly, we have a case of voter fraud ... California has 55 representatives and 55 electoral votes due to "illegal aliens"

    the states that lost seats and electoral votes should be able to sue Congress for allowing representation to be based upon "illegal aliens"


    it might be a start
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    That could be a wedge that could be used. And we need wedges with representitives! And thank you very much.

    Mamie.. if you could post a link with the article, I will be able to use it. We will be able to use it. And we can bring the issue up in a forum post and send the reader to that new item as it was published, and PARTICULARLY ... which news orginazation it was posted in.

    VDARE is being called racist and that link cannot be used out there on the streets. Apparently, VDARE is being called racist because some of the writers who contribute to the column have written slanted articles in the past. Whatever...

    Thank you.

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    In the states that lost a seat because of non-citizens, only 1 in 50 residents is a not a U.S. citizen, compared to 1 in 7 residents in California, which picked up most of the seats.
    More BS-although California leads the country in Illegal Aliens,most don't vote.Don't believe this crap you read about illegals swaying the vote.If they voted (and now California is unofficialy nearing 80% Hispanic) do you think that an anti-Mexican Arnold would've beat a pro-illegal Lt.Governor named Torres?Most of America doesn't realize that Arnold beat a Mexican American pro-illegal immigration from Mexico Lt.Governor with many years under his political belt.Illegals have nothing to do with it.What is everything to do with it is California is the biggest earner in the Union even through we're supposedly broke.If it were a country all by itself it would be one of the 10 richest in the world.And as long as it stays that way we will always have an illegal immigration problem because every state wants to earn and some feel that even with its huge drawbacks Ca. is the model to by.

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    Rick--The article is right. It's not talking about who won the election, its talkng about population demographics in 2000 that changed the distribution of Congressman within states. This is based upon population. If aliens were counted in the population which they are, then this added population increased the number of Congressman in California and reduced the number of Congressman in these other states.

    Also, if you go to my article I posted entitled "We Can Turn Elections", that is a statement by the President of the Hispanic Association of Corporate Responsibility. He says their mission is to increase the political power of the Hispanic Community and want to push for greater participation whether the voter is legal or not.

    When a state gets more Congressional seats, they have more votes in Congress and it changes everything unnaturally when that redistribution is the result of a large number of illegal aliens in the population count.

    The distribution is supposed to be based upon a legal population and presumes the population is free of aliens when due to illegal immigration it is not. The entire Congressional balance of power has been distorted by an illegal alien population of substantial numbers in California...enough to have changed political power in the United States Congress.
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    This is the fault of our government for such idiotic rules-not the illegals.The illegals are just being used to the political advantage of the conress of certain states-not the congress being used by the illegals.These people are an entire seperate country within our country.Most couldn't tell you who their district supervisors or mayors are let alone what's going on in Washington.They don't care.Other than the fact that the live,eat,sleep,and work here-everything-news,sports,politics,lies in Mexico.People don't realize that most illegal aliens from Latin America don't want American citizenship.Why should they?The get all the benefits and then some without giving up citizenship to their beloved home country.That's why I say this whole political angle is just BS.The states that lost at the illegal immigration game are just mad that they didn't get the results they were seeking.

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    Rick!! Very good to know!!! Thanks for the post and the clarification. And you're right!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by shaw
    Mamie.. if you could post a link with the article, I will be able to use it. We will be able to use it. And we can bring the issue up in a forum post and send the reader to that new item as it was published, and PARTICULARLY ... which news orginazation it was posted in.


    Thank you.
    it was posted at NewsMax http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...4/112120.shtml

    A new report by the Center for Immigration Studies shows how non-citizens have robbed U.S. citizens of political representation. Among the findings
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    Feds Let Illegal Aliens Steal Congressional Representation F

    it also linked to this article


    Feds Let Illegal Aliens Steal Congressional Representation From Citizens
    Steve Brown, CNSNews.com
    Friday, Oct. 24, 2003


    The heavy influx of immigrants cost the Republican Party nine House seats during the 2000 political redistricting process, according to a report released Thursday. At least one of those seats was lost as a result of illegal aliens being counted as part of the national population by the U.S. Census Bureau, the report's authors said.

    The report, "Remaking the Political Landscape: The Impact of Illegal and Legal Immigration on Congressional Apportionment," was compiled by the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS). It examined the redistribution of House seats as a result of immigration.

    The nation's 435 U.S. House seats are distributed among the states based on the census results every 10 years, with each state automatically getting at least one constitutionally mandated seat.

    For example, as millions of Americans have left Northern states for warmer climates in the South, those Southern states have gained more seats. The influx of illegal aliens and other non-citizens has also affected congressional reapportionment because census takers count those individuals as well.

    Dudley Poston, a Texas A&M sociology professor and author of the CIS report, examined how congressional seats would have been reapportioned if the Census Bureau had not counted naturalized American citizens, legal permanent residents (green-card holders), illegal aliens and those on long-term temporary visas.

    "If we do this, there's a 16-seat change [among the states] in the 2000 apportionment. California loses nine of its 53 seats. This means that nine of its 53 seats are attributable to its immigrant population," Poston said. It could even be more than nine, Poston said, because some immigrants end up bearing children in the United States who are not considered foreign-born. "So California is the big winner," he said.

    Poston then turned to the partisan implications by designating states Republican or Democrat based on the 2000 presidential election results, the big red-and-blue map.

    "If the foreign-born were excluded, the Republicans would gain nine seats," Poston said.

    Steven Camorata, CIS director of research, added: "The nine seats redistributed by non-citizens has a very serious effect when one considers that only a total of 12 seats in their entirety changed hands in 2000."

    Poston used state estimates prepared by the Immigration and Naturalization Service, which indicated that nearly 7 million illegal aliens were counted in the 2000 Census. The illegal alien population, which Poston said is heavily concentrated in just three states - California, Florida and New York - resulted in the creation of at least one new Democrat-dominated congressional district and at the expense of the Republican Party.

    The report did not pinpoint a particular district that Democrats, traditionally the favorite party of illegal aliens, seized from Republicans. Rather, the combination effect of the illegal population in America produced the GOP loss of at least one seat, according to the report.

    "Illegal immigration also has a significant effect on presidential elections because the Electoral College is based on the size of congressional delegations," the CIS study indicated.

    'Voter Erosion' of Citizens

    According to the report, many low-immigration states that might seem unaffected by immigration experience "significant voter erosion" of their political influence in Washington.

    "Taking away representation from states composed almost entirely of U.S. citizens so that new districts can be created in states with large numbers of non-citizens makes immigrant-induced reapportionment very different from reapportionment caused when natives relocate to other states," Camorata pointed out.

    Of the nine states that lost a seat in 2000, only one in 50 residents is a non-citizen, the report revealed. By contrast, one out of every seven California residents is a non-citizen and six of the nine seats redistributed due to non-citizens went to California.

    These findings, Poston suggested, might spur a movement among the public and lawmakers to revise the method of census taking.

    "The exclusion of illegal immigrants may well be the scenario most likely to gain popular support and spark a legal challenge," Poston said.

    The report noted that the Supreme Court has never addressed the substantive legal arguments surrounding the exclusion of illegal aliens in the census. The Federation of Americans for Immigration Reform (FAIR) filed two lawsuits challenging the Census Bureau's methodology of counting illegal aliens, but both suits were dismissed. In the latter suit, plaintiffs included 40 members of Congress and the commonwealth of Pennsylvania.

    "Trying to deal with this problem by excluding non-citizens, illegal or legal, would be very difficult politically and is probably impossible as a practical matter," Camorata concluded.

    According to Noah Pickus, the director of North Carolina's Institute for Emerging Issues and a participant in Thursday's panel discussion, the findings lend credence to the notion that states have a "perverse" incentive to attract larger populations of illegal aliens, which "undermines the very notion" of the representative republic on which the country was founded.

    "The country faces a choice: Either continue to have record amounts of illegal immigration and therefore continue to redistribute seats away from states comprised mostly of American citizens to states with large numbers of illegal and legal immigrants, or better enforce immigration laws so as to reduce if not eliminate illegal immigration," Camorata said.



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    Quote Originally Posted by rickesteves
    In the states that lost a seat because of non-citizens, only 1 in 50 residents is a not a U.S. citizen, compared to 1 in 7 residents in California, which picked up most of the seats.
    More BS-although California leads the country in Illegal Aliens,most don't vote.Don't believe this crap you read about illegals swaying the vote. .
    it was representation based upon "illegal aliens" -- they didn't have to vote. If 20% of the "residence" were legal voters the could elect a governor that was not pro-illegal. However, the other 80% gave them additional representation in Congress and affected the "electoral vote" -- the votes of the state
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    Quote Originally Posted by rickesteves
    .Other than the fact that the live,eat,sleep,and work here-everything-news,sports,politics,lies in Mexico.People don't realize that most illegal aliens from Latin America don't want American citizenship.Why should they?The get all the benefits and then some without giving up citizenship to their beloved home country. That's why I say this whole political angle is just BS. .
    EXACTLY! they have no allegiance to this country. Citizenship would also subject them to military service
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