Thread: fighting immigrants is not the solution

I'm LAUGHING, Rakishoner!! I can just picture your SCARY face playing some miniature VIOLIN!

77......as others have noticed, you're lost. Hope you find your way back home, wherever the heck that may be.

77 must have realized they were LOST and redirected themselves to a different route!!!

Originally Posted by thelmahopkins

exactly !-ace backwards- you made your own country ,now live in it-

* poor and working class people are subject to the whims of the corporate/governmental neo-liberal globalization policies and are directly effected by them - did you not get this point:

"For the past two decades, Mexico's neoliberal policies followed the "free market" model (dictated by the IMF and World Bank) by largely ending subsidies for grain production, especially corn. Under NAFTA, protective tariffs on corn are scheduled to end in 2008. Even before tariffs are eliminated, corn prices fell by 48% between January 1994 and August 1996 as imports from the United States increased dramatically, undercutting the national market and forcing many small and medium sized producers to look for other sources of income."?

so who is making whose country now? you think these poor people have control over their plutocratic government - they are in direct cahoots with the multi-national corporate interests who are going to sell you up the river one day too(if it hasn't already happened)? you think YOU have control over your U.S. government? who runs things???? the corporate/financial elite - they are the ones making these laws, we are just the cattle played off of one another to drive wages down into the ground. Paul Wolfowitz is smiling.

"Many campesino producers grow corn both for self-consumption and for local markets, offering a source of income for products that campesino families are unable to produce themselves, for example, school supplies, tools, cookware, medicines, etc. By undercutting prices in local markets, campesinos are forced to look elsewhere for a source of income, while continuing to produce for self-consumption. (According to Arturo Leon, Mexican lands dedicated to corn production have actually increased in the past two decades, while corn imports from the US are also increasing at staggering rates. Demographic factors cannot account for both increases, and presumably the vast majority of increased campesino production is for auto-consumption and is, to some extent, replacing more expensive nutritional sources such as animal protein.) In the context of neoliberal capitalism, migration to large cities, border maquiladoras or, increasingly, the United States often offers the only available alternative. Displaced rural dwellers from central and southern Mexico are converted into the maquiladora workforce, a process known as proletarianization."

* The reason that these people can be exploited is because they are not organized into a force that can demand higher wages - you want to know an effective solution? Organize with one another! - Organize yourselves with these Mexicans, then the global elites can't play you of of one another - you watch how they change their tune. Are you interested in real solutions??

Not the ones you propose. I don't intend to organize with ANY CITIZENS from ANY COUNTRY other than the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

We have sufficient problems of our own not to have to take on the problems created by the governments of Mexico and other countries. And, we have the same opportunity to change OUR GOVERNMENT as they do. It's called the BALLOT BOX.

Vicente Fox is the one who is pushing NAFTA down our throats and our leaders have sold us down the river on that one and all of the other trade agreements BUT the solution lies in correcting the problem with our elected officials--NOT taking in every illegal immigrant who is not happy in their own country.

They are the ones who are sucking US dry. IF, and that is a BIG IF, they came here LEGALLY, CONTRIBUTED to our country, OBEYED OUR LAWS and, most important of all, ASSIMILATED, it would be a completely different story. In fact, if all of those conditions had been met, there would be NO NEED FOR ALIPAC.

Originally Posted by 77

Explosive population growth means two things. First, in combination with meager (and decreasing) tax receipts from the dominant maquiladora sector, city services are severely overburdened. Many migrant workers live in barrios with unpaved roads and without water, sewer or electricity. Newly arrived migrants are often forced to live in cardboard shacks located long distances from the maquiladora industrial parks. It is not uncommon for maquiladora workers to travel two hours or more on uncertain public transportation to reach their workplace.

Second, constant migration means a huge unemployed reserve workforce that forces down wages. Turnover rates in the maquiladora sector are extremely high as workers constantly search for better and safer working conditions.



http://www.mexicosolidarity.org/Alte...Neoliberalism/

77 with this that you put on here. This is just a reinforcement of why we are here. Thank you. You have giving with this, some more documentation of what Mass Immigration does to any city or The United State. I hope you don't mind me sending this to my congressman. So he can see the other side.

Good idea, Scubayons!

the point i am trying to get at is that with neo-liberalism, there is a dynamic between the U.S. and Mexico that is at the heart of the situation. liberalized trade policies are FOR the corporate sector - what happens is that Mexicans who traditionally would be able to subsist and live in their home country can NO LONGER do so becuase trade policies have made them unable to compete with the big guns who have been allowed access to their lands and markets(through the neo-liberal trade policies). these people don't WANT to leave their families! they have been forced to roam! we know that poverty is what breeds crime - yes we don't want that in our towns and cities, but we have to RECOGNIZE that these are SYMPTOMS of a root problem. unless that ROOT problem is addressed, then we will just be fighting the symptoms. and believe me, the corporate will always always get their way - even if they put up a border fence or wall - be assured that undocumented workers will STILL be coming into this country through certain routes. whoever will work for the lowest wage will be allowed into the job markets.

the idea is that the best tactic is to pressure the US to get the heck out of the business of other countries such as Mexico which ruins the ability of the poor people to find a livelihood there and are forced to come here in search of work. that is the idea behind "their struggle is our struggle" - because it is two sides of the same coin.

77 - please dont use dont slogans like "their struggle is our stuggle" we have half a million of you're downtrodden peasants living here in the portland oregon area now- and I assure you- these people are out for themselves . they see the united states and it' citizens as a candy store-and they have their hands out .
they have our jobs,our food stamps, our energy assistance- subsidized housing- free medicaid- decent housing- quality public schools. they're here to take what they can . I dont see them giving back- except to mexico-
also , we know about mexico's corruption- maybe the liberals should go down there and demonstrate to create a better mexico-
it seems instead, they have come here and if we have any resistance to being force fed the largest immigration in over a hundred years. well then we're called racist.
its the first word of english they learn- they are very good at the giult thing-
I could give you a list of virtually every business in the portland area that hires the mexicans- but the elderly the disabled the poor white and black citizens are at the bottom of the hiring list.
during the depression, the mexicans were deported. Iwish we had that kind og government backbone now -rebecca

Yeah- I'am not done- 77 I know what kind of mindset you operate in. the vegan non profit groups full of sincerity and a certain comfort in knowing that you're belief system is the righteous good one.
the reason the united states government in abandoning United states citizens to this invasion- is money- these peasants are young ,are avid breeders and consumers - corporations and the feds will abandon their own countryman just for the bucks.
if these mexicans come here and are free to break laws, cause life is so hard- well then why should any american continue to pay taxes , etc/
time for civil disobediance.
rebecca