Thread: Cruz Attack Ad on Trump: Eminent Doman

Eminent Domain: The Widow and Donald Trump
Published on Jan 22, 2016

Rick Tyler, Cruz's national spokesman was on O'Reilly tonight and claimed several things and one was about this ad that Trump used eminent domain to take the private property for a parking lot and bull-dozed the home down. That's a lie. That never happened by Donald Trump. Trump tried to buy the property and the woman wouldn't sell, then the public authorities got involved and tried to take the property through eminent domain. They failed. Trump never got the property.

After she died and long after Trump had sold his Casino someone else bought the property from her kids and they bull-dozed the house down.

Rick Tyler lied and Cruz's ad is false.

Also discussed was Trump's immigration attack ad on Cruz. Rick Tyler said on the same show that Cruz introduced an amendment that passed and the bill failed because of his amendment. That is completely false. Cruz's amendment failed and the bill passed the Senate by a SuperMajority 68-32.

Rick Tyler lied. Trump's ad is true.

Actually the Casino Reinvestment Development Authority (CRDA) did attempt to take the property on behalf of Trump using eminent domain. However, the CRDA lost their eminent domain case in the Superior Court of New Jersey. Sure, Trump first attempted to buy the property, but when the widow refused to sell, he got the Casino Reinvestment Development Authority to act (CRDA) in an attempt to confiscation of the property through eminent domain. So yes, Trump did indirectly attempt to take the widows property through eminent domain.

The gang of eight bill did fail due to Cruz's amendment. His amendment showed the bill for what it was, an amnesty bill, which was in great part what influenced the House to not take the bill up. So they're right, the bill did fail. It may have passed the Senate (Cruz voted nay) but it failed to become law thanks Cruz's amendment and Sen. Sessions voice.

Originally Posted by MW

Actually the Casino Reinvestment Development Authority (CRDA) did attempt to take the property on behalf of Trump using eminent domain. However, the CRDA lost their eminent domain case in the Superior Court of New Jersey. Sure, Trump first attempted to buy the property, but when the widow refused to sell, he got the Casino Reinvestment Development Authority to act (CRDA) in an attempt to confiscation of the property through eminent domain. So yes, Trump did indirectly attempt to take the widows property through eminent domain.

The gang of eight bill did fail due to Cruz's amendment. His amendment showed the bill for what it was, an amnesty bill, which was in great part what influenced the House to not take the bill up. So they're right, the bill did fail. It may have passed the Senate (Cruz voted nay) but it failed to become law thanks Cruz's amendment and Sen. Sessions voice.

But they didn't take it. They lost in court. The woman won the case. They didn't bull-doze the house. Rick Tyler said Trump got the property and bull-dozed her house down. That's a lie.

Cruz's amendment FAILED, the Gang of Eight Bill PASSED the Senate by a SuperMajority 68-32. These votes are a matter of public record and indisputable, MW.

Ted Cruz testimony given UNDER OATH in US Senate Hearings supporting the Gang of Eight Bill, legalization of all illegal aliens with legal permanent residence is also a matter of public record and indisputable.

Whatever people may want this "poison pill" crap to be, it's nothing more than either lying under oath to the public in a Senate Hearing or a cover-up of failure trying to create a track record where there is none.

Either way, Americans don't need any more of it. We want straight-forward honest people in our government and that includes the US Senate and the US House of Representatives.

Americans want more than defeating amnesty. We want illegal aliens removed from the country, illegal immigration stopped, legal immigration paused and dramatically reduced, and Americans put back to work. Anyone who wants to ride on the laurels of defeating amnesty even when they had nothing to do with it are out of gas running on fumes, because Americans are fed up and want the problem solved.

Judy wrote (excerpts):

But they didn't take it. They lost in court. The woman won the case. They didn't bull-doze the house. Rick Tyler said Trump got the property and bull-dozed her house down. That's a lie.

Whether it's a lie or not isn't as important as the intent. The fact is, Trump wanted her property and when she wouldn't sell it to him, he tried to take it through eminent domain.

Cruz's amendment FAILED, the Gang of Eight Bill PASSED the Senate by a Super Majority 68-32. These votes are a matter of public record and indisputable, MW

Cruz's amendment was designed to fail. His bill was put forth to expose the gang of eight's goal, which was to give illegals a path to citizenship (amnesty). His amendment proved that nothing else was acceptable to them. The amendment did exactly what it was supposed to do and it worked! The U.S. House elected not to take the bill up in great part because Cruz exposed it for what it was. Didn't you watch it all unfold on C-Span like I did?

Cruz is lying about what happened in Atlantic City. These investors invested billions of dollars to revitalize Atlantic City. Her property was a low-rent boarding house right on the boardwalk, an eye sore, a terrible thing. She was offered millions of dollars for a property worth a few hundred thousand, plus a new home wherever she wanted and relocation expenses. She wanted more money and couldn't get it. When the most they could afford to pay had been topped, they tried the Redevelopment Authority through eminent domain because it was for a public parking lot, not just for Limousines but all traffic coming in and out of the Casinos. In this instance, Trump was doing the right thing. She wasn't.

She had no sense of community, no feeling or obligation of doing her part to help make Atlantic City nice for all the visitors and tourists coming in and spending money by the boatload in her town. No, she wanted to punish them by forcing them to look at her rat-trap. It was so ugly. We'd go there a lot and it just ruined the whole boardwalk, you'd walk by it and go "ooh, what's that?" Oh, a hold-out. Gawd awful. And it was long, went from the boardwalk all the way back to the next street, so it ruined the area from 4 directions. There's always one bad apple in the bunch.

So are you saying that the only reason the US House of Representatives didn't pass the Gang of Eight bill was because of the right to apply for citizenship after 13 years? Well, you know what? That's not something Republicans should advertise in an election year, because most Republicans think the House killed the bill so illegal aliens could be deported whenever we get a President willing to go door to door, work place to work place, store to store, corner to corner and round 'em up to achieve that.

Originally Posted by Judy

Cruz is lying about what happened in Atlantic City. These investors invested billions of dollars to revitalize Atlantic City. Her property was a low-rent boarding house right on the boardwalk, an eye sore, a terrible thing. She was offered millions of dollars for a property worth a few hundred thousand, plus a new home wherever she wanted and relocation expenses. She wanted more money and couldn't get it. When the most they could afford to pay had been topped, they tried the Redevelopment Authority through eminent domain because it was for a public parking lot, not just for Limousines but all traffic coming in and out of the Casinos. In this instance, Trump was doing the right thing. She wasn't.

She had no sense of community, no feeling or obligation of doing her part to help make Atlantic City nice for all the visitors and tourists coming in and spending money by the boatload in her town. No, she wanted to punish them by forcing them to look at her rat-trap. It was so ugly. We'd go there a lot and it just ruined the whole boardwalk, you'd walk by it and go "ooh, what's that?" Oh, a hold-out. Gawd awful. And it was long, went from the boardwalk all the way back to the next street, so it ruined the area from 4 directions. There's always one bad apple in the bunch.

No Trump most definitely was not doing the right thing. If you can find anyone here that would agree with you on that, I would be shocked. Sorry, you are most certainly on the wrong side of this issue as is Trump. Please don't let your love for Trump blind your logic and sense of fairness.

Researching the facts and creating an editorial with the facts being manipulated to fit your own agenda in support of Trump doesn't work. Why not link your source and let us judge it for truth and fairness.

Let's try this one (excerpt from linked source):

For more than 30 years Vera Coking lived in a three-story house just off the Boardwalk in Atlantic City. Donald Trump built his 22-story Trump Plaza next door. In the mid-1990s Trump wanted to build a limousine parking lot for the hotel, so he bought several nearby properties. But three owners, including the by then elderly and widowed Ms Coking, refused to sell.

As his daughter Ivanka said in introducing him at his campaign announcement, Donald Trump doesn't take no for an answer.

Trump turned to a government agency – the Casino Reinvestment Development Authority (CRDA) – to take Coking’s property. CRDA offered her $250,000 for the property – one-fourth of what another hotel builder had offered her a decade earlier. When she turned that down, the agency went into court to claim her property under eminent domain so that Trump could pave it and put up a parking lot.

Peter Banin and his brother owned another building on the block. A few months after they paid $500,000 to purchase the building for a pawn shop, CRDA offered them $174,000 and told them to leave the property. A Russian immigrant,

Baninsaid: “I knew they could do this in Russia, but not here. I would understand if they needed it for an airport runway, but for a casino?”

Ms Coking and her neighbors spent several years in court, but eventually with the assistance of the Institute for Justice they won on July 20, 1998. A state judge rejected the agency’s demand on the narrow grounds that there was no guarantee that Trump would use the land for the specified purpose. “TRUMPED!” blared the front page of the tabloid New York Post.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...st-widow-house

Sure, I'm more than happy to post a link.

A.C.'s little house on the prairie sells for $530,000
By Amy S. Rosenberg, Inquirer Staff Writer
Posted: August 02, 2014

ATLANTIC CITY - Vera Coking finally cashed in. And like the rest of Atlantic City these days, the price came at a steep discount.

The white boardinghouse that Coking could have sold for millions to Donald Trump years ago fetched $530,000 Thursday at a lackluster auction in the shadow of a now-hobbled Trump Plaza.

With a 10 percent commission price, the winning bidders, Atlantic City lawyer Pat Agnellini and Stanley Realty Co., will pay $583,000 for the three-story property.

Agnellini declined to identify himself at the auction except to state the obvious - that he was not representing Donald Trump. He later came forward to say he was the buyer of the iconic property, at a fraction of what Trump was willing to pay.

"I don't exactly know what I'm going to do with the property yet," Agnellini said. "Beyond that, I have no comment."

Coking, who purchased the house for $20,000 in 1961, became a folk hero after turning down millions from Trump, who wanted her house for a limousine staging area for the Trump Plaza.

She had stood firm while Penthouse publisher Bob Guccione built an iron structure literally up and over her house. Perhaps most significant, Coking successfully resisted state efforts to take the property by eminent domain.

The winning bid came after about an hour of action in the parking lot separating Trump Plaza from the 29-room boardinghouse owned by Coking.

Some onlookers suggested that the home be preserved to honor Coking's fight; others, specifically Trump Plaza employees, hoped the winning bidder would also buy the casino, slated to close Sept. 16. (Unlikely, said Agnellini.)

The house had been listed for $995,000 for about a year. For a time Thursday, as auctioneer Oren Klein dipped his opening bid price below $200,000, it seemed nobody wanted to bid at all.

"It's a piece of history," he urged the group of potential bidders. "You're in the path of progress."

At another point he said, "This woman didn't fight for nothing. There is a lot of value here."

Indeed, the property sits tantalizingly close to the site of the new Bass Pro Shops and is one block from the Boardwalk.

Klein speculated that the owner of the property might eventually sell to whoever takes control of the Trump Plaza property.

Coking, 91, now lives in a retirement home in California. For decades, her refusal to sell helped define Atlantic City - a place where casinos were supposed to lead to an urban renaissance, but one that frequently called upon citizens to sacrifice in the name of further casino development. Many called her a hero. Others blamed Atlantic City's failings on the difficult climate created by holdouts like Coking.

The sale price nearly matched the property's assessed value of $580,000, but fell far short of the asking price of $995,000, and was a fraction of Trump's alleged offers from years before.

Among the losing bidders was a contractor from Hammonton who said he was also trying to buy the tower of Trump Plaza, and Ned Sakhai of New York, who said he wanted to turn the property into a go-go bar.

Members of the family listened in on the phone to the auction and approved an opening bid of $175,000, below the stated minimum bid of $199,000. They did not respond to efforts to contact them.

Trump said this week that there was no convincing Coking.

"She could have lived happily ever after in Palm Beach, Fla.; instead, she was an impossible person to deal with," Trump told the Associated Press.

In addition to millions of dollars, Trump said, he had offered Coking housing for the rest of her life in one of his properties.

But Coking never wanted to sell. Her family has said it was never about the money. She simply wanted to remain in the home she had bought with her husband.

The auction attracted a small gathering of onlookers, including several employees of Trump Plaza, a once-dominant casino now scheduled to close Sept. 16. It presages next week's high-profile auction of the Revel casino and hotel, also expected to sell at a deep discount.

Lois Chiles, visiting from New Haven, Conn., said the home was historic and should remain as a tribute to Coking. "She's a model," she said. "She stood her ground."

The Casino Reinvestment Development Authority spent five years trying to force Coking to relinquish the property through eminent domain. A judge ultimately sided with Coking.

Glenn Zeitz, the attorney who represented Coking in the eminent-domain case, said her fight set an important precedent for New Jersey homeowners.

"She's a heroine," he said Thursday. Any public officials who think she obstructed development in Atlantic City, he said, should "look in the mirror."

"They had an opportunity that was squandered," Zeitz said. "That's really what happened. Imagine what they'd done if they'd really reinvested in the city. It's a shame."

BY THE NUMBERS

$20,000

What Vera Coking and her husband paid for the 29-room boardinghouse

in 1961.

$530,000

Price fetched

at auction.

$995,000

Asking price.

$2M

Amount Donald Trump offered

as recently as several

years ago.

arosenberg@phillynews.com

609-823-0453

@amysrosenberg

www.inquirer.com/

http://articles.philly.com/2014-08-0...g-donald-trump

Donald Trump was right on the Vera Coking deal and he tried for a long time to do the right thing for her, his business and the community. She wanted $5 million instead of the $2 million plus another place to live at his expense for the rest of her life and relocation costs he offered. It wasn't about her husband, it wasn't about her "home", it was a rat-tap boarding house. But she "stood her ground", cost herself and her family a lot of money, made the Casino Area of Atlantic City ugly and incomplete, and showed no concern at all for the businesses, investors, employees, residents, customers or the community at large. This case didn't have anything to do with the Kelo Case, because it was years before.

In her case, she won. But she didn't win anything. Donald Trump walked away from it, never got the property, and never bull-dozed it down. As soon as her war with progress ended and Trump walked away to leave her in peace, she moved to California. So it wasn't about her "home", the property was a rat-tap business property, a rooming house.

But if that's the "conservative" view of who is a "heroine" and a "villain", the people might need to make sure when their time comes to "stand their ground", they at least know what it is they're fighting for, because Vera Coking wasn't fighting for anything except money, and she lost on that one, big-time.