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    Republicans for Clinton: Why we oppose Trump

    Republicans for Clinton: Why we oppose Trump

    By John Stubbs
    Updated 12:13 PM ET, Sun September 4, 2016

    (CNN)Steve Moore has unleashed a wild jeremiad against fellow Republicans who have said they can't back Donald Trump and want to defeat him by voting for Hillary Clinton this year.

    Under the nasty headline, "The Republican Turncoats," Mr. Moore begins with the sort of ad hominem attacks that he's avoided throughout his career. He claims Republicans who plan to vote for Clinton -- and according to polls, there are at least six million of us -- "believe their anti-Trumpism is a principled act of heroism," reeking of "self-righteousness" and "defiance."

    He says we are "subversive," that we're sore-loser Bush and Romney "operatives" doing it to appeal to the Washington Post and the New York Times. All, utter rot.

    Then he rolls out three straw men and sets them afire. He says we're voting against Trump because he "can't win," that he is "not for free trade," and that Republicans need to concentrate on the Senate and the House.

    Actually, few, if any, anti-Trump Republicans oppose him because they think he can't win. We are motivated, in large part, by the fact that if Trump has a 1 in 30 chance of being president, we are not comfortable with those odds. But he is not running as a fringe third party. He is on the Republican ticket and his chances are far better than 1 in 30.

    More to the point, we oppose him because, for example, "he lacks the character, values, and experience to be president" and that he "would be the most reckless president in American history." Those are comments from a letter signed by 50 national security experts who served in Republican administrations, including two former Homeland Security secretaries, two former deputy secretaries of State, a former CIA director, and so on.

    On trade: Sure, I'm troubled by Trump's protectionism. So is Steve Moore. A year ago, he and Larry Kudlow wrote a piece in the National Review, criticizing what they call "Trump's Fortress America Platform," finding the candidate's trade policies similar to those of Herbert Hoover, and positing that the "recent panic in world financial markets is in part a result of the Trump assault on free trade."

    Moore and Kudlow added, "Trump is also running full throttle on an anti-immigration platform that could hurt growth as well as alienate the GOP from the ethnic voters it needs to win in 2016."

    Trump's trade and immigration policies derive from isolationism, fueled by race-baiting fearful white supremacists, which should be repugnant to any Republican. I was four years old when Ronald Reagan was elected, and his vision of optimistic globalism is what shaped my childhood and attracted me to the party in the first place.

    It's why I vote Republican and why I later worked for Jack Kemp, Rob Portman, Susan Schwab, Josette Sheeran and Bob Zoellick, among other Republican leaders very different in worldview, fitness and preparation than the current nominee.

    Trump, by contrast, has touted an approach he calls "America First." Who knows whether he has read enough history to recognize this term? It was, of course, used by the pro-German, anti-Semitic organization that in the 1940s tried to get the U.S. to sign a treaty with Hitler and stay out of World War II.

    On the third straw man: I could not agree more. Republicans should focus their on congressional races. That's why we asked the RNC to shift resources to those races. That's why we asked Republicans giving money to Clinton's campaign to stop, and give it instead to House and Senate races. Because of Trump, and only because of Trump, the GOP may lose control of the Senate and suffer significant losses in the House.

    The New York Times now has the likelihood of Republicans losing their 4-seat majority in the Senate to the Democrats at 60%. Prior to the conventions the forecast was 60% for Republicans. I would encourage Mr. Moore to not discourage ballot-splitting, and instead, help us get the millions of Republicans disaffected by Trump to the polls.

    I don't agree with all of Clinton's policy positions, but I am confident she will be a better president than Trump. In my admittedly limited experience -- I worked for Republicans in my 20s and not as an operative but as a nerd, writing memos -- he simply does not have the temperament for a serious job, and she does.

    Often in foreign policy we focus on least worst options. And there are no heroes. There is only living to fight another day.

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    And who is John Stubbs? Here's who he is:

    Berkman Klein Center for Internet and Society at Harvard University:

    John Stubbs
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    A former staffer with the Office of the United States Trade Representative (USTR), John Stubbs is a Fellow at Harvard University’s Berkman Center for Internet and Society where he is researching transparency and international trade agreements.

    From 2001-2007 John served three consecutive USTRs to advance US objectives among foreign and domestic constituencies. John created numerous initiatives to increase stakeholder participation in trade policy development, including the first online access ramp for US private sector advisors to view classified materials. During John’s time at USTR, the United States successfully launched the Doha Development Agenda at the WTO and approved Free Trade Agreements with 13 countries.

    In 2007 John founded Romulus Global Issues Management, a Washington, DC-based consulting firm that helps executives navigate cross-border issues related to crisis, transition or growth. In particular, John’s work focuses on technology transfer, adoption and uptake in emerging markets. Romulus consultants have worked in more than 80 countries and clients include multinational corporations, startups and non-governmental organizations.

    John has played a role in creating several new ventures. He founded the Global Innovation Forum and led the organization from 2009-2014. In 2008 John helped launch Farmstead Wines, a boutique importer of sustainably produced wines, and in 2011 he co-founded ecommerce company The Daily Hookup, Inc.

    John received his BA in economics from George Washington University where he was President of GW’s policy debate team. He is a board member of the National Foreign Trade Council Foundation, a term member of the Council on Foreign Relations and a member of the Krewe of Bacchus in New Orleans, Louisiana.
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    LOL!! All these traitors want to tell you they were this and that in some former life but never want to tell you where they are NOW!!

    John Stubbs lines his pockets representing the Globalist Multi-Nationals selling out our country!! And when he was a former this and that, he was writing the damn trade deals that have bankrupted our country!!

    By the way, Smoot-Hawley didn't cause the Great Depression. The Great Depression was caused by the Wall Street crash of 1929. Smoot Hawley wasn't even a law until June of 1930. Exports before the Depression were 6% of GDP. During the Depression they were 5%. The GDP fell 15% during the Great Depression, so any claim that Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act of 1930 had anything at all to do with causing or prolonging the Depression are just Democratic lies fostered to win the election in 1933. And of course our Democratic controlled public education system perpetuates the lie, just like it teaches the Civil War was fought over Taxes instead of Slavery.

    It's sickening what Democrats have done to our country, and any Republican who would vote for Clinton instead of Trump was not a Republican to begin with.

    Republicans have always opposed massive immigration and free trade treason. Always. Republicans were always for limited immigration and strong trade protections. That's not isolationism. It's simply protecting your own nation, citizens, jobs, businesses and economy which is the constitutional duty of the United States government.
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    Judy, Exactly! they are worried about a change and losing their side income. They have made a lot of promise to a lot of big money donors. These career politicians all need to go. They all have their own agendas and none that are actually helping the American taxpayers. Trump will need new people willing to work with him. These good ole boys won't change, They can't; they have made promises and prostituted themselves for money. Vote them all out and lets start over.

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    They will trot out any old body who can make the appearance of a credible argument against Trump. They are really going to have to scrape the bottom of the barrel. This has turned into the most disgusting circus---ever. MSNBC is starting to look good compared to CNN.
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    Republicans have always opposed massive immigration and free trade treason. Always.
    Unfortunately, regarding free trade, this statement is not true at worst and very ambiguous at best. Most free trade agreements are passed through a majority Republican vote. I'm certain most of the Democrat opposition to free trade comes from pressure from U.S. labor unions who are opposed to free trade. Heck, I remember the labor unions fighting like the dickens to stop NAFTA, but of course, as history shows, they failed in their endeavor.

    To prove a point. 132 Republicans and 102 Democrats voted for NAFTA approval in the U.S. House while 156 Democrats, 43 Republicans and one independent were opposed. In the U.S. Senate 27 Democrats supported it and 28 were opposed while 34 Republicans supported and 10 opposed.

    As a lifelong Republican, I do not support my parties typical majority support of free trade agreements. I hate to expose their frequent support, but the truth is important because it's hard to fix something you don't know is broken ....... and the Republican party is often broken where free trade is concerned. Hopefully that is in the process of changing but I'm not holding my breath on it.

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    Republicans have always opposed free trade treason. Always. Starting with Bush One, Republican politicians were bought up by the big donors of Multi-National Corporations and sneaked through the trade agreements. As I would hope you're learning from this election there is a huge disconnect between Republican members of Congress and members of the Party.

    It's why Donald Trump won the nomination and why he's so adored by his Trump Supporters and despised by the Republican Establishment in Washington.

    I hope he wins this election so he can put an end to both problems of massive immigration and free trade treason for our country and set our party straight on these and some other issues. If he wins, he will.
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    Reagan Embraced Free Trade and Immigration

    By Daniel Griswold
    June 24, 2004
    In the many eulogies to Ronald Reagan since his passing, virtually all acknowledge his role in defeating Soviet communism and reviving America’s self-confidence. But another aspect of Reagan’s record that should not be forgotten was his commitment to keeping America open to trade and immigration.
    Reagan’s vision of an America open to commerce and peaceful, hardworking immigrants contradicts the anti-trade and anti-immigration views espoused by Lou Dobbs, Bill O’Reilly, Pat Buchanan, Rep. Tom Tancredo of Colorado, and many others who claim to speak for the conservative causes Reagan largely defined.
    Reagan’s heart and head were clearly on the side of free trade. While president, he declared in 1986: “Our trade policy rests firmly on the foundation of free and open markets. I recognize … the inescapable conclusion that all of history has taught: The freer the flow of world trade, the stronger the tides of human progress and peace among nations.”
    It was the Reagan administration that launched the Uruguay Round of multilateral trade negotiations in 1986 that lowered global tariffs and created the World Trade Organization. It was his administration that won approval of the U.S.-Canada Free Trade Agreement in 1988. That agreement soon expanded to include Mexico in what became the North American Free Trade Agreement, realizing a vision that Reagan first articulated in the 1980 campaign. It was Reagan who vetoed protectionist textile quota bills in 1985 and 1988.
    During Reagan’s eight years in office, Americans eagerly expanded their engagement in the global economy. In 1980, the year before Reagan became president, Americans spent a total of $334 billion on imported goods and services and payments on foreign investment in the United States. By 1988, his last year in office, American spending in the global economy had nearly doubled, to $663 billion. If Reagan was a “protectionist,” it had no discernable effect on the ability of Americans to spend freely in the global marketplace. Fittingly, one of the major federal buildings on Pennsylvania Avenue is named the Ronald Reagan Building and International Trade Center.
    Like most post-war presidents, Reagan championed free trade while selectively deviating from it. Critics of trade note correctly that Reagan negotiated “voluntary” import quotas for steel and Japanese cars and imposed Section 201 tariffs on imported motorcycles to protect Harley-Davidson. All true. But those were the exceptions and not the rule. They were tactical retreats designed to defuse rising protectionists pressures in Congress.
    Reagan’s words and deeds regarding immigration were equally expansive. At a ceremony at Ellis Island in 1982, he spoke movingly of immigrants who “possessed a determination that with hard work and freedom, they would live a better life and their children even more so.” As with trade, Reagan’s record on immigration was mixed. He signed the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986, which included stepped up border enforcement and sanctions against employers who knowingly hire illegal workers. But that legislation also legalized 2.8 million undocumented workers. More immigrants entered the United States legally under President Reagan’s watch than under any previous U.S. president since Teddy Roosevelt.
    Like President George W. Bush today, Reagan had the good sense and compassion to see illegal immigrants not as criminals but as human beings striving to build better lives through honest work. In a radio address in 1977, he noted that apples were rotting on trees in New England because no Americans were willing to pick them. “It makes one wonder about the illegal alien fuss. Are great numbers of our unemployed really victims of the illegal alien invasion or are those illegal tourists actually doing work our own people won’t do?” Reagan asked. “One thing is certain in this hungry world; no regulation or law should be allowed if it results in crops rotting in the fields for lack of harvesters.”
    In his farewell address to the nation in January 1989, Reagan beautifully wove his view of free trade and immigration into his vision of a free society: “I’ve spoken of the shining city all my political life, but I don’t know if I ever quite communicated what I saw when I said it. But in my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and heart to get here.”
    Compare Reagan’s hopeful, expansive, and inclusive view of America with the dour, crabbed, and exclusive view that characterizes certain conservatives who would claim his mantle. Their view of the world could not be more alien to the spirit of Ronald Reagan.

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    The Republican Party has never supported free trade treason. Ever. And posting information about former Republican Presidents and members of Congress who did doesn't change the fact that the party itself and its members do not and never have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    Republicans have always opposed free trade treason. Always. Starting with Bush One, Republican politicians were bought up by the big donors of Multi-National Corporations and sneaked through the trade agreements. As I would hope you're learning from this election there is a huge disconnect between Republican members of Congress and members of the Party.

    It's why Donald Trump won the nomination and why he's so adored by his Trump Supporters.

    I hope he wins the election so he can put an end to both problems of massive immigration and free trade treason. If he wins, he will.
    President George H.W. Bush was the one that negotiated and pushed for the North American Free Trade Agreement. While Bill Clinton tied the ribbon around the package, it was the elder Bush that packaged and gift wrapped it with the Republican party majority support. So once again, no, the Republicans haven't always opposed free trade agreements. This isn't about Trump, this is about an inaccurate statement that I'm attempting to correct so as not to mislead anyone on the unfortunate history of the Republican party where free trade is concerned.

    George W. Bush implemented a bunch of free trade agreements, including the Central America Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA) which is another disaster. This big business supported extension of NAFTA received 44 of the 56 Senate Republicans vote, while 33 of the 43 Democrats voted against it. In the House only 15 of 202 Democrats voted in support of it. Once again, another disaster of a free trade agreement passed by Republicans!

    The Republicans have a horrible history in support of free trade agreements and no amount of soap or spin can wash that filthy record clean! So again, the truth is the Republican party has not always been opposed to free trade agreements. Actually, history unfortunately shows they seldom are. The truth is important.



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    You have to stop judging Republicans by the sell-out Republican politicians we're trying to throw out of office. What are you trying to do? Convince the world that the Republican Party members support free trade treason and massive immigration when we don't and never have? What do you think this Trump Movement is about? It's about taking our country back including the Republican Party.

    I wanted to impeach George W Bush over his immigration and trade policies. The Republican Party and its Platform has never supported free trade treason or massive immigration. The Republican Party and its Platform always opposed massive immigration and free trade treason. They used to call it protected trade that we support, now they call it "fair trade" to avoid the label of "isolationism", which protected trade is not and never has been.

    Again citing what some of our sell-out politicians have done or wanted to do does not speak for the members of the Republican Party.

    We opposed NAFTA, FTAA, CAFTA, TPP and all the ones in-between that we knew about. Most of us didn't even know the role of G H W Bush in NAFTA until years after he done his filthy deeds.

    It's why we don't care what Trump says about the Bushes, because we think they're traitors who sold out our country through their treasonous immigration and trade policies.
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