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    THE FUTURE MUST NOT BELONG TO THOSE WHO SLANDER CHRISTIANS BY HARPING ON THE CRUSADES

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    THE FUTURE MUST NOT BELONG TO THOSE WHO SLANDER CHRISTIANS BY HARPING ON THE CRUSADES


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    by JOHN HAYWARD5 Feb 20152871

    The easy joke about Barack Obama’s bizarre, bigoted rant at the National Prayer Breakfast today is that he was trying to do Brian Williams of NBC News a favor, by taking attention away from him with a firestorm of outrage.

    Stunned and horrified Americans, and indeed Christians around the world, not to mention victims of Islamist horror from every religious background, will be trying to process Obama’s idiotic words for days to come.

    Yes, folks, the President of the United States just told the civilized world it has no moral standing to criticize the head-choppers, child-crucifiers, slave-takers, and auto-da-fe enthusiasts of the modern world, because the Crusades happened a thousand years ago.

    The basic concept here is nothing new. Lazy, arrogant liberals have been babbling about the Crusades and Inquisition ever since Islamist terrorism became a big problem for the Western world. I’m sure some of these tools whined about the Crusades while one of the World Trade Center towers was still standing. It’s the sloppiest intellectual dodge imaginable, a cheap and easy way to sound impartial and high-minded: hey, all of those knuckle-dragging religious types are prone to violent outbursts.

    It’s also a way that an arrogant leftist such as Barack Obama positions his own religion, the glory of the State, above all others. Obama’s world-view holds that everything prior to his own enlightened reign was a time of darkness and ignorance. Notice how he goes out of his way in these comments to bash not just the Crusades, but also Christianity’s alleged defeat at the dawn of tolerant New Leftism: “In our own home country, slavery and Jim Crow were all too often justified in the name of Christ.” So was everything Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. said and did, you callow fool. Try looking up William Wilberforce and digesting what motivated him.

    To say that every strong belief system, religious or otherwise, can be abused by those hungry for power, or eager to justify their worst impulses, is such a banal observation as to be unworthy of utterance at any significant event, let alone the President speaking at the National Prayer Breakfast. The issue on the table is whether there are particularly dangerous belief systems at work in the world right now. Not only is Obama obscuring that issue, he’s actually saying Christianity is worse than Islam, because he accepts at face value the notion that Islamist atrocities have absolutely nothing to do with the religion cited to authorize them, but he holds Christianity totally and perpetually responsible for the Crusades.

    It would be a frustrating waste of time to try educating someone like Obama on the actual origin of the Crusades as a defensive war against aggression; he’s probably at least dimly aware of that, but it’s an inconvenient fact of no use to his ideology, so he casts it aside. The story he wants to tell is of benighted, ignorant, crude humanity raised up by the glorious wisdom of the secular State and the moral colossi who command it, among whom Barack Obama stands as the greatest titan of all. He came to the National Prayer Breakfast to call for worship of himself. Note how he follows up his Christian-bashing with a celebration of his glorious expedition to fix India last week:

    But we also see faith being twisted and distorted, used as a wedge — or, worse, sometimes used as a weapon. From a school in Pakistan to the streets of Paris, we have seen violence and terror perpetrated by those who profess to stand up for faith, their faith, professed to stand up for Islam, but, in fact, are betraying it. We see ISIL, a brutal, vicious death cult that, in the name of religion, carries out unspeakable acts of barbarism — terrorizing religious minorities like the Yezidis, subjecting women to rape as a weapon of war, and claiming the mantle of religious authority for such actions.
    We see sectarian war in Syria, the murder of Muslims and Christians in Nigeria, religious war in the Central African Republic, a rising tide of anti-Semitism and hate crimes in Europe, so often perpetrated in the name of religion…
    Humanity has been grappling with these questions throughout human history. And lest we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ. In our home country, slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ.

    Michelle and I returned from India — an incredible, beautiful country, full of magnificent diversity — but a place where, in past years, religious faiths of all types have, on occasion, been targeted by other peoples of faith, simply due to their heritage and their beliefs — acts of intolerance that would have shocked Gandhiji, the person who helped to liberate that nation.

    He mentions the horrors of the Islamic State mostly to excuse himself for refusing to accept the religious motivations of the savages — they can declare themselves warriors of Allah and Mohammad all they want, but the only part of their rhetoric Obama ever hears is when they piss and whine about the Crusades and Andalusia — so that he can tie yesterday’s horrors to thousand-year-old excesses carried out by armored knights on horseback. It’s all equally foolish and disruptive to Barack Obama, compared to the pure glory of the Religion of the State. Remember, he’s prone to seeing his political adversaries as reactionaries “bitterly clinging to their guns and religion.”

    Also, as a minor point of order, the exact words used by Obama are monumentally stupid: “And lest we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ.” The Crusades and Inquisition did go down in “some other place.” It’s not even reasonable to tie them to the 18th-century governments of Europe, but if you’re minded to do so, the country that elected Obama President was founded in revolution against those European states. Why, the Founders even made a rather big deal about avoiding the official government sanction of a particular religion. This man’s allegedly a college graduate? I think it’s long past time his records were released — so we can see what his grades looked like.

    “We see sectarian war in Syria, the murder of Muslims and Christians in Nigeria, religious war in the Central African Republic, a rising tide of anti-Semitism and hate crimes in Europe, so often perpetrated in the name of religion…” All of them equally? Or is there one in particular that comes up more than the others, in the rhetoric of the aggressors and abusers? Is there one that seems to have changed and grown a bit less than the others over the past millennium?

    Obama also took the opportunity to repeat a favorite criticism of ISIS: “We are summoned to push back against those who would distort our religion for their nihilistic ends.” This is a variation on his theme of ISIS as a pointless exercise in insane brutality, conducted on the “wrong side of history.” ISIS is many horrible things, but they’re not nihilistic. They intend to build something powerful, enduring, and horrifying atop the mountain of corpses they piled up. They’re evil as hell, but they’re not a mindless frenzy that will burn itself out soon.

    What sheer, blind foolishness. What dangerous idiocy. It’s terrifying to think our national defense is headed up by someone so willfully blind and shallow, someone whose opinion of his own nation and its history is so bleak and slanted. He really can’t see anything beyond the unyielding borders of his ideology. I hope the Islamic reformation ends well for them, and everyone else, but until that great struggle is complete, we have plenty of mournful examples of what nations governed by sharia law look like. We saw what nations founded on the principles of amoral, atheist materialism looked like in the first half of the Twentieth Century, and the good men of the world were obliged to burn them all to the ground. And we know what a nation founded upon Judeo-Christian principles looks like. Well, most of us do.

    Resolved: The future must not belong to those who would slander Christianity by endlessly harping on the Crusades.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...-the-crusades/


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    On this issue, if you want your religious organization to interfere in our government, then vice versa, the government will interfere in your religion. Our government is supposed to be separate from religion, this protects all religions. So, it's important that our religious organizations keep their distance from politics and simply enjoy the freedoms our great Constitution has guaranteed for them. Our religions might also want to get off the gravy train of the income tax and support the FairTax, since filing for 501 C 3 status requires disclosures and conduct that you might not wish to abide, and filing tax exempt tax returns and other reports to the government means you are nothing but pawns of the government selling your privacy for a tax exemption. Religion is a personal spiritual event, and there's no reason at all for the government to be involved in your activities or spending without a warrant. Religion is also not a charity, although you use a 501 C 3 "charity" status to avoid income tax when religion is not a "charity" at all, it's a personal belief.
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    Are we running the danger of Muslim becoming the State sponsored religion? They seem to be favored and given special concessions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newmexican View Post
    Are we running the danger of Muslim becoming the State sponsored religion? They seem to be favored and given special concessions.
    It could. When we start commingling religious beliefs with political princiles and policies, we pave the road and lay the foundation for at least a state-preferred religion, which could be any religion. Today, we have 6 of 9 Justices on the US Supreme Court who are Catholic, including the Chief Justice, even though only 23.9% of our population is or when asked in polls or census data claim they're Catholic. The US House of Representatives through John Boehner has actually invited the Catholic Pope to address our Congress in our Capitol Building in September. The other 3 Justices are Jews, when Jews only represent 1.7% of our population. And Netanyahu was also invited to address our Congress in our Capitol Building.

    Protestant is the majority religion of the people of the United States, yet there is not one Protestant on the US Supreme Court. It's ironic that evangelical protestants as well as others are the ones who opened the door to lobbying the government and our politicians about their religious beliefs on gays and abortion, yet all they did was pave a road for different religions to monopolize court decisions. Sometimes that may work out for them, but on the big national issues like immigration, trade, health care, taxation, jobs, income, poverty and public debt, the things that really matter to a free nation of free people, it works against our citizens.

    Does someone's religion impact their political and legal views or the composite of their character and core beliefs that guide their "interpretation" of law, policy or Constitution? Well, I believe the answer to that in most instances would be at least to some degree it either would or could especially on issues that derive from a religious view to begin with. It's a very dangerous road to commingle religious views with government, politics and laws.

    Source of Religion Info: CIA World

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newmexican View Post
    Also, as a minor point of order, the exact words used by Obama are monumentally stupid: “And lest we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ.” The Crusades and Inquisition did go down in “some other place.” It’s not even reasonable to tie them to the 18th-century governments of Europe, but if you’re minded to do so, the country that elected Obama President was founded in revolution against those European states. Why, the Founders even made a rather big deal about avoiding the official government sanction of a particular religion. This man’s allegedly a college graduate? I think it’s long past time his records were released — so we can see what his grades looked like.

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    A bit of levity.


    Good News


    From the White House


    Concerning Pensions, Healthcare


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    نور اگر رفت سايه پيدا نيست نقش ديوار و چشم خيره
    ما نقش سايهدگر نمي دان نور اگر رفت سايه. ر رفت
    نور اگر رفت سايه پيدا نيست نقش ديوار و چشم خيره ما نقش سايهدگر نمي دان نور اگر رفت سايه. ررفت ديوار و چشم خيره ما نقش سايه دگر نمي دان نور اگر رفت سايه پيدانيست نقش ديوار و چشمخيره ماسايه
    ديوار و چشم خيره ما نقش سايه دگر نمي دان نور اگر رفت سايه پيدانيست نقش ديوار و چشم خيرهماپيدا



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    Quote Originally Posted by Newmexican View Post
    A bit of levity.


    Good News


    From the White House


    Concerning Pensions, Healthcare


    and Benefits:








    نور اگر رفت سايه پيدا نيست نقش ديوار و چشم خيره
    ما نقش سايهدگر نمي دان نور اگر رفت سايه. ر رفت
    نور اگر رفت سايه پيدا نيست نقش ديوار و چشم خيره ما نقش سايهدگر نمي دان نور اگر رفت سايه. ررفت ديوار و چشم خيره ما نقش سايه دگر نمي دان نور اگر رفت سايه پيدانيست نقش ديوار و چشمخيره ماسايه
    ديوار و چشم خيره ما نقش سايه دگر نمي دان نور اگر رفت سايه پيدانيست نقش ديوار و چشم خيرهماپيدا



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    " It's a very dangerous road to commingle religious views with government, politics and laws." Our very own Constitution was wrote and inspired by the Judeo-Christian Values of the Founders. Seems the CIA is out of touch on historic matters and views.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reciprocity View Post
    " It's a very dangerous road to commingle religious views with government, politics and laws." Our very own Constitution was wrote and inspired by the Judeo-Christian Values of the Founders. Seems the CIA is out of touch on historic matters and views.
    The CIA religion information was just the % of our population that subscribed to the specific religions. The other comments are mine, not the CIA's. As to the religious affiliation of the 55 delegates to the Constitutional Convention that created our Constitution, 53 were Protestant and 2 were Roman Catholic.

    In terms of religious affiliation, the men mirrored the overwhelmingly Protestant character of American religious life at the time and were members of various denominations. Only two, Carroll and Fitzsimons, were Roman Catholics.
    http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/cha..._overview.html

    That's why I make the point here:

    Protestant is the majority religion of the people of the United States, yet there is not one Protestant on the US Supreme Court.
    So when we wonder why things have changed so much in our country and we look at religious backgrounds of those in charge, then it's pretty easy to see why there are so many differences, variations and diversions from the original dream of our nation when we allow religious agendas to commingle with our government, law, and politics.

    For the most part, the Roman Catholicofficial religion supports population growth instead of economic growth, they support illegal immigration instead of immigration controls, they support Obama Care instead of private care, they support "charities" and government welfare instead of worker protections and free enterprise, they support income taxes instead of consumption taxes, and so forth.

    There are distinct differences in the political philosophies of most Protestants and Roman Catholics, at least from the standpoint of the positions of the organized religions. So IF one's religion commingles with their values pertaining to government, law and politics, then in all likelihood there will be a different outcome based on the religious backgrounds of those in charge.

    When the US Supreme Court as today has no one from the Protestant religion that was the predominant religion in the nation when it was founded and the Constitution was written, and instead has 6 Roman Catholics including the Chief Justice and 3 Jews, and if you believe that one's religion impacts one's views on issues and matters, then it's easy to see why our government, law and politics has the majority of the country upset with all three. Add to that that the Speaker of the House of Representatives is Roman Catholic and it's quite an overload in our power structure of a significantly minority religious view that doesn't adequately represent the views of the citizens of our country.

    So the solution is for those in charge not to commingle their religious views in their roles and duties that apply to government, law and politics. Otherwise, one day we'll wake up and find ourselves nothing but a big colony of the Vatican. Add to that, the Roman Catholic Speaker of the House has invited the Roman Catholic Pope from the Vatican to address our Congress, which is an outrage and just as inappropriate as his inviting Netanyahu, the leader of a Jewish State, to address our Congress.

    Our nation is opposed to religious states of any kind, our Protestant-inspired Constitution is absolutely clear on that, yet we're now allowing the leaders of 2 Religious States to address our full combined session of Congress in our Capitol Building for the sole purpose of influencing legislation, elections and impacting public policy with one to whine for peace and more poverty while the other whines for sanctions against Iran and more money?

    This is so beyond the pale, our founders are rolling in their graves. I make this point just so people will give more thought to using their personal religion to influence our government, law and politics, because no good will come from it. Our religious views are important to us personally, but they need to be set aside and kept separate when working on matters that pertain to government, law and politics. That is and has always been a fundamental characteristic of our country and when we stray from that separation, the outcomes are very different and are not in the best interest of our citizens or nation. That's why all these religious and "charity" 501 C 3 tax exempt orgies are prohibited by our laws from using their organizations to influence legislation, impact public policy or effect the outcome of elections. Unfortunately, like our immigration laws, our government has chosen not to enforce these laws, and we are paying a huge price for that, much of it irreparable at this point.

    It's a diffilcult topic because people are easily offended by it, but as Americans it's one we must face and deal with effectively so we can return to a nation whose government is separate from any establishment of religion. That doesn't mean we can't have a Christmas tree on the lawn of the White House, it means our government, law and politics are as blind to religious preferences as Lady Justice is to prejudice, corruption and special favors.
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