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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinssdad View Post
    . . . Are these stories being manufactured abroad to arouse more sympathy in America and bring pressure upon us. Seems funny to me the first from Germany is a very sympathetic story for the middle aged woman involved, too. Considering todays press, I think it possible to be manufactured. However, there is the Switzerland story, too.
    With so many people being paid to produce "NEWS" about whatever someone wants produced it is very possible. The media, online sites, blogs, think tanks, etc., it's all a blurry mess now. You can find someone who will produce any data you want, for the right price.
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    My former post is a reply to Judy's last post. Bill Gehn I have been unable to edit my post please help with this problem.

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    I have often been very forceful in criticizing the Christian churches when they have been pushing for amnesty. But when I talk about cultural Marxism and its cynical drive to destroy the West, you try to divert the debate to gay marriage and abortion and Christian opposition to them as if they were the ultimate cause for the illegal alien invasion. Apparently you keep pushing the idea that the key to electoral victory lies in a candidate being for abortion or gay marriage. Sorry dear Judy but those are fringe issues at best. Those issues are not a priority for the great majority of voters. They will not influence the vote of the great majority of people, those who are not already hardcore leftist.. The problem is not Christianity with all of its errors, the problem is that through our universities and colleges Marxist thinking now dominates all of our major cultural institutions, movies, music, magazines, newspapers, television colleges and now the major religious organizations, the labor unions, the tech industries and big corporations. Wall Street is dominated by rich, businessmen Marxists. Other than faux Christians none of these has anything to do with religion, or gays or abortion. The problem is the near monopoly of our culture by Marxists. The churches are just one part of the great picture. If every Christian in the US were denied the vote, there would be no significant change in the suicide of the West.
    The issue kevinsdad and I were discussing was overpopulation, which is not a fringe issue, it's the number one threat to the survival of the free world. Marxists get their foothold in countries who have more people than jobs, more kids than money to support them, that'd where socialism breeds, to take from those who have it and give it to those who don't.

    There's a reason we have laws that prohibit Medicaid funding to help a young girl or poor woman to have an abortion which costs about $600 or less, but provides unlimited 100% Medicaid funding for childbirth including pre-natal and post-natal care which costs $10,000 to $15,000 a procedure assuming there are no complications and up to hundreds of thousands of dollars if there are complications.

    Why would such stupidity exist in our laws? Because Pro-Life candidates care more about the welfare of a fetus than the pregnant girl or woman. I have never pushed for a candidate who is "for abortion", I support candidates who are Pro-Choice and believe the decision to have an abortion is with the girl or woman, not someone else and most certainly not the government at any level.

    It doesn't matter that much to me about the use of federal funds for abortions, because I don't think federal funds should be used to fund any pregnancy related medical care. But to freely fund the latter and not the former makes no sense. It is a War on Girls and Women in my view to make things difficult for those who are poor or too young to have their own money, and it's just mean, very mean to force a pregnant girl or woman into childbirth against her will. I really don't want to elect mean people into government who have such little regard for girls and women in such stressful life-altering and life-threatening situations. To me it's barbaric.

    To me, it's the same with gays, to discriminate against them, is mean, too, because it forces them into loneliness or false life-styles with a heterosexual when the idea of having sex with that person makes them sick.

    Take that Kim Davis down there in Kentucky, making a big deal over doing her job to provide marriage licenses. That woman has been married 4 times. What if someone decided that she shouldn't have a second marriage license because that's adultery under someone's religious beliefs? How would she feel about that, I wonder?

    Or how would all those religionists fighting against abortion and gay rights feel if someone in the local Social Services Office responsible for Medicaid decided because of their religious beliefs they would refuse to sign up single pregnant girls or women for Medicaid, because they are fornicators, sinners, having sex out of wedlock?

    Wouldn't that send some shockwaves through our "Christian" community? Lord have mercy, there would riots on the streets coast to coast and all points in between, but it would sure cut the hell out of Medicaid spending.

    You know what my favorite Bible verse is?

    Matthew 7:1.

    Judge not, lest ye be judged.

    The suicide of the west is stupidity, not being able to think clearly with common sense, intelligence and loyalty to their own people and of course low math skills which is why they can't balance a check book, demand enough wage to cover their cost of living, run a government that spends within its means, count illegal aliens or the cost of them being here, or figure out why admitting over 1.3 million legal immigrants a year is bankrupting our country.

    See, Trump may not be Mr. Nice Guy when he's counter-punching, but that man can count and he's not stupid. He's probably the smartest most responsible person we've had to vote for in a very, very, long time, possibly the smartest one since Teddy Roosevelt. I don't agree with his newly found "Pro-Life" position, but we don't know how far if any distance he plans to go with that, hopefully none, since I believe he's too smart to actually use it to change policy against girls and women. If he does, then we'll just have to push him back on that stuff.

    In the meantime, we'll get secure borders, a beautiful wall, removal of illegal aliens in less than 2 years, stopped/reduced legal immigration, E-Verify, defunding of sanctuary cities, no more tax credits, and end to birthright citizenship to children of illegal aliens, no more catch and release, no more welfare benefits to immigrants, no more visas or green cards that cost Americans their jobs, wages or educations, and an end to this free trade treason nonsense. He'll make friends with Russia, put Japan, China, Mexico and all the rest that are eating our lunch in their proper place, he'll fix the roads, bridges and airports at a fraction of the cost these morons are spending now, and hopefully he'll help US pass the FairTax which will bring our industries and investment capital back home.

    That's a lot. And for now, that's enough for me.

    GO TRUMP!!
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    To JohnDoe2: I don’t understand how the fabrication of a story like the plight of a middle-aged German woman would “bring pressure” on the US to bring in more Muslim immigrants. If anything it would make Americans concerned about the consequences of a government committed to policies of unlimited mass alien migration. Even though the younger Germans and even the parents of younger Germans have never been Nazis (having been born after the defeat of Nazism in 1945I) after 70 years of inculcated guilt there is a psychotic German guilt about Hitler. I have been to Europe many times and the people’s brains there have been so screwed up by Marxism that it is to be expected that things like this would be happening. I would be amazed if this story was not true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by csarbww View Post
    To JohnDoe2: I don’t understand how the fabrication of a story like the plight of a middle-aged German woman would “bring pressure” on the US to bring in more Muslim immigrants. If anything it would make Americans concerned about the consequences of a government committed to policies of unlimited mass alien migration. Even though the younger Germans and even the parents of younger Germans have never been Nazis (having been born after the defeat of Nazism in 1945I) after 70 years of inculcated guilt there is a psychotic German guilt about Hitler. I have been to Europe many times and the people’s brains there have been so screwed up by Marxism that it is to be expected that things like this would be happening. I would be amazed if this story was not true.
    This has actually happened already in the United States. When Americans lose their jobs to illegal aliens, refugees, asylum-seekers, and legal immigrants, they those their homes because they either can't pay the rent, make the mortgage payment or pay the property taxes if they own their homes. This crazy immigration disaster couples with the loss of jobs due to free trade treason has displaced so many Americans from their employment, livelihoods, benefits, retirements, futures, and of course homes.

    Millions of Americans have had to bunk up with relatives, move back home with their parents, parents move in with grandparents, or with uncles, aunts, cousins, siblings, or friends and for those who have no place to bunk up, they're homeless, living in their cars, in little tents under an overpass or in a tent city in some park or field or forest or a homeless shelter.

    What's happening in our country is unbelievable and what has happened to our dear fellow citizens is the greatest tragedy of my lifetime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by csarbww View Post
    To JohnDoe2: I don’t understand how the fabrication of a story like the plight of a middle-aged German woman would “bring pressure” on the US to bring in more Muslim immigrants. If anything it would make Americans concerned about the consequences of a government committed to policies of unlimited mass alien migration. Even though the younger Germans and even the parents of younger Germans have never been Nazis (having been born after the defeat of Nazism in 1945I) after 70 years of inculcated guilt there is a psychotic German guilt about Hitler. I have been to Europe many times and the people’s brains there have been so screwed up by Marxism that it is to be expected that things like this would be happening. I would be amazed if this story was not true.
    My comment relates ONLY to the POSSIBILITY that it was a manufactured story.
    I did NOT comment on the intent or possible results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by csarbww View Post
    My former post is a reply to Judy's last post. Bill Gehn I have been unable to edit my post please help with this problem.
    I think I have fixed it for you. Please let me know if this what you had in mind. If not send me a PM and we will work on it.

    Originally posted by Judy

    Yes, but in our country, whites still control policy, and our policies on this crucial survival and sustainable issue is going the wrong way because too many are wrongly weaving their religion into our politics. Fix that problem and enforce separation of church and state, and Congress and unravel this bad cloth that's been woven for all the wrong reasons, and soon it can fix itself, then help fix the country. When US policy is right, the world will follow, at least it always has.

    When we have Hobby Lobby and the Catholic Organizations fighting for the right to discriminate against reason based on religious beliefs, then oh my god, we're going to hell in a hand-basket.

    STOP THIS INSANITY!

    Feel free to live your own life according to your own religious beliefs, but do not, DO NOT, bring those into our politics, policies or laws to invoke them on others against their will.


    I have often been very forceful in criticizing the Christian churches when they have been pushing for amnesty. But when I talk about cultural Marxism and its cynical drive to destroy the West, you try to divert the debate to gay marriage and abortion and Christian opposition to them as if they were the ultimate cause for the illegal alien invasion. Apparently you keep pushing the idea that the key to electoral victory lies in a candidate being for abortion or gay marriage. Sorry dear Judy but those are fringe issues at best. Those issues are not a priority for the great majority of voters. They will not influence the vote of the great majority of people, those who are not already hardcore leftist.. The problem is not Christianity with all of its errors, the problem is that through our universities and colleges Marxist thinking now dominates all of our major cultural institutions, movies, music, magazines, newspapers, television colleges and now the major religious organizations, the labor unions, the tech industries and big corporations. Wall Street is dominated by rich, businessmen Marxists. Other than faux Christians none of these has anything to do with religion, or gays or abortion. The problem is the near monopoly of our culture by Marxists. The churches are just one part of the great picture. If every Christian in the US were denied the vote, there would be no significant change in the suicide of the West
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    Ok, let this old woman throw in her two cents about over population. I remember very clearly in the late 50's and early 60's all the children dying in places like India, Africa and even Mexico. We were shown pictures of all these kids. We, were told that in all these third world countries people were not educated. They knew nothing of birth control. Instead of Climate Control being the big issue it was all about over population. If they were not educated, if they did not know about birth control the world would be destroyed. We were told to cut back on having children. Two was the number of kids for the educated. It was our duty to join groups and educate these people about birth control.

    So many of my generation bought into this theory and limited ourselves on how many children we had. What we were not told was that if we went by their theory of controlling our population growth, that we would still be impacted by the over population from other countries. We did not know we would someday be told that we were not having enough babies and we needed immigrants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MontereySherry View Post
    Ok, let this old woman throw in her two cents about over population. I remember very clearly in the late 50's and early 60's all the children dying in places like India, Africa and even Mexico. We were shown pictures of all these kids. We, were told that in all these third world countries people were not educated. They knew nothing of birth control. Instead of Climate Control being the big issue it was all about over population. If they were not educated, if they did not know about birth control the world would be destroyed. We were told to cut back on having children. Two was the number of kids for the educated. It was our duty to join groups and educate these people about birth control.

    So many of my generation bought into this theory and limited ourselves on how many children we had. What we were not told was that if we went by their theory of controlling our population growth, that we would still be impacted by the over population from other countries. We did not know we would someday be told that we were not having enough babies and we needed immigrants.
    Exactly! That's exactly what happened. And while we were right to limit to the extent people were comfortable with doing so to smaller families, because it raised our standard of living, reduced poverty and brought forth some of the best times in our history.

    Then, it happened. Bad people got involved in our government who wanted to steal what we had by sneaking in immigrants with green cards and visas, unknown by most Americans, and of course illegal aliens sneaking in over the borders and through the ports with no green cards or visas. There so many that people began to notice and talk about it a little bit, and the next thing we know Reagan issued his Giant Amnesty, then Clinton used that law to Amnesty More and More, and then Bush who just said "ya'll come, I'll git you a guest worker permit"/

    So by the time Americans realized what was really happening to the level that it was, it was the 6th year of the Bush Administration and there were so many of them here that Tom Ridge, head of DHS actually said "we can't do anything about it, because we don't know who they are, where they or what they're doing".

    And that was as big a lie as there are WMD's in Iraq, because they did know who they were, where they were and what they were doing. They were given driver's licenses, they were at Walmart, they were on street corners waiting for day labor companies to pick them up, they were in the hospital emergency rooms, they were in our schools, they were on the streets and highways, they were at the checking cashing stores and Western Union, they were at the Sprint cell phone store, they were on every construction site, they were in New Orleans after Katrina, they were in factories, they were everywhere, except "in the shadows".

    They were out there in broad daylight taking over the place bold as hell so they knew they had protection during the Bush administration, which has continued full steam under the Obama Administration.

    Why would any President, Reagan, Clinton, Bush, or Obama want to do this terrible thing to our country and citizens? The terrible harm they have caused our citizens is beyond the pale. And it's not over. It's still on-going.

    So, Senators like McCain, Graham and Rubio, well, they deserve every name Trump can come up with to throw at them.
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    Excellent post MontereySherry.

    We were not having babies when the whole other world were propagating without limitations. Now we see the results.

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