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    GOP - Immigration Plan Questioned on health plan????

    Immigration Plan Questioned
    By Jennifer Bendery
    Roll Call Staff
    Nov. 10, 2009, 12 a.m.

    In the wake of House passage of a sweeping Democratic health care overhaul, conservative Republicans were perplexed and angry Monday that their leaders decided not to force Democrats into a tough immigration vote that they believe could have brought down the bill.

    House GOP leaders caught just about everybody by surprise Saturday when, toward the end of debate on the $1.3 trillion health care plan, they opted not to use a procedural motion to force a vote to bar illegal immigrants from buying insurance. Both parties were bracing for the vote and the potential fallout among Democrats divided on the issue.

    But in the end, Republican leaders used the motion to recommit — their most powerful tool in shaping debate — to force a vote on a different issue, tort reform, which Democrats handily defeated. And in the wake of losing round one in the health care debate, some GOP Members were looking back and questioning why party leaders didn’t act to defeat the health care bill when they had the chance.

    “If we had done that right, the bill would have been extremely unlikely [to pass], if we’d brought up the illegal immigration motion to recommit,â€

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    Can someone get me the names of the GOP leaders that made this decision.

    Looks like the top brass in the GOP sold out the nation in the final moments! We need their names!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ALIPAC
    Can someone get me the names of the GOP leaders that made this decision.

    Looks like the top brass in the GOP sold out the nation in the final moments! We need their names!

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    We sure do!
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    I would say the decision was up to the Minority leader Rep. John Boehner
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    [quote]Rules Chairwoman Louise Slaughter (D-N.Y.) said she also expected the motion to be on immigration and didn’t know why Republicans went with tort reform. “Somebody said they hated trial lawyers worse than they hated illegals, but I don’t know if that’s true,â€
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    I don't know for sure who specifically botched this decision, but as SOSAD notes, the GOP House leaders are likely culprits: John Boehner (GOP House Minority leader), Eric Cantor (GOP Whip) and Mike Pence (Chairman of the House Republican Conference):

    http://www.house.gov/house/orgs_pub_hse_ldr_www.shtml
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    [quote]“That would have been the coup de grace. It would have killed the bill.â€
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    "Regardless of whether it was part of their calculus, GOP leaders provided shelter to Hispanic Republicans by avoiding the immigration vote. At least one Member, Rep. Lincoln Diaz-Balart (R-Fla.), indicated during the Rules Committee debate on the bill that he would oppose any motion to limit the rights of illegal immigrants to buy their own insurance."

    By "Hispanic" with regard to the Republican Party, I believe they historically have meant "Cuban". This cohesive and strongly anti-Castro and Communism bloc based in Florida traditionally has voted Republican. However, I believe other "Latino" groups now have settled in Florida, and younger Cubans appear less interested in spending their lives re-hashing Cuban politics.

    I believe the leadership has decided that if they are to survive as a party, Republicans are going to have to be more "inclusive", and, unfortunately, this "philosophy of the future" seems to have taken precedence over defeating this terrible healthcare bill.
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    It looks like GOP Whip Eric Cantor had a lot to do with this bad decision. This is on NumbersUSA homepage now (11/11):

    "Just before the final vote on Saturday night, GOP House Whip Eric Cantor motioned to send the health care bill back to committee with instructions to add language requiring tort reform. Many Republicans were hoping the leadership's instructions would be over immigration, which is a much more devisive issue with the Democrats. Had the leadership included immigration instructions instead, the vote to recommit the bill may have been more narrow, if not accepted."

    Here's the Whip's website if you want to contact Cantor or post on his blog:

    http://republicanwhip.house.gov/
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