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    Trump faces big choice on Moore’s fate

    Trump faces big choice on Moore’s fate

    By Jonathan Easley and Jordan Fabian
    11/14/17 06:00 AM EST

    President Trump is set to play a decisive role in the Republican battle over Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore — if he chooses to do so.

    Trump, who so far has declined to directly address the allegations against Moore, is facing pressure from both sides.

    Senate Republicans signaled on Monday that they want nothing to do with Moore and will work to prevent his seating, with Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) saying he believed Moore’s accusers.

    Key parts of Trump’s political base, however, are sticking with the former chief justice of Alabama’s state Supreme Court. Breitbart News and Trump’s former White House strategist and political guru Stephen Bannon are both fighting for Moore, who remains the favorite in Alabama — a state Trump won in last year’s election by 28 points.

    Trump’s instincts would also appear to guide him toward Moore — despite the fact that he campaigned for the conservative’s GOP opponent in the Republican primary.

    “The challenge here is that Trump usually goes against what the establishment wants,” said a GOP strategist with close ties to the White House and Senate leadership.

    Trump sided with McConnell in the GOP primary, where Moore defeated Sen. Luther Strange. Moore won days after Trump campaigned in Alabama on behalf of Strange and against the Bannon-backed Moore.

    Yet Trump’s embrace of Strange was hardly strong, either.

    The president openly said at the event in Huntsville, Ala., that he might have been making a mistake in traveling to campaign in Alabama for Strange.

    “If Luther doesn’t win they’re not going to say, we picked up 25 points in a short period of time,” Trump said.

    And he said that if Moore won, he’d be “campaigning like hell for him.”

    That, at least, seems like an impossibility given the allegations that Moore, at the age of 32 in 1979, had a sexual encounter with a 14-year-old.

    On Monday, the controversy surrounding Moore deepened as a new accuser came forward alongside attorney Gloria Allred — who has represented dozens of women who have brought charges of sexual harassment or assault against famed men, including Trump. Beverly Young Nelson said Moore sexually assaulted her one night after work when she was 16 years old.

    Moore had offered to give her a ride home after her shift at a local diner upon noticing that her boyfriend was running late to pick her up, according to Nelson’s account.

    But instead of driving her home, Nelson said he parked the car at the back of the restaurant, where “there were no lights,” and began groping her.

    “I was alarmed and I immediately asked him what he was doing,” she said at a press conference.

    “Instead of answering my question, Mr. Moore reached over and began groping me,” she said, adding that Moore reached over and locked the car door while she yelled at him to stop and continued to try to fight him off.

    Moore then grabbed her neck and pushed her head toward his crotch, she said.

    “I was terrified. He was also trying to pull my shirt off. I thought that he was going to rape me. ... I had tears running down my face,” she said.

    Nelson said Moore eventually gave up and threatened that no one would believe her story. She said she kept quiet for fear he would retaliate.

    Moore’s campaign released a statement maintaining his innocence and blasting Allred.

    “Gloria Allred is a sensationalist leading a witch hunt, and she is only around to create a spectacle,” Moore’s Senate campaign chairman Bill Armistead said in a statement.

    “We’ve said this before and we’ll say it again: Judge Moore is an innocent man and has never had any sexual misconduct with anyone,” he added.

    It’s possible Allred’s entry into the Alabama story could push Trump toward Moore.

    The worst thing for the establishment, one GOP source said, was that Allred convened Monday’s press conference.

    “Trump hates Gloria Allred after what she did to him during the election. So I don’t know. You could see him siding with Bannon against the establishment crowd, but maybe his tripwire in going against what Bannon is pushing for is the fact that kids are involved. I don’t know. It’s not good.”

    Some Trump supporters say it makes sense for the White House to keep its powder dry on Moore’s candidacy, while at the same time distancing itself from the Senate candidate.

    “This is a no-win situation and the worst thing the White House could do is take ownership of the situation,” said Barry Bennett, a former Trump adviser. “You just have to express publicly the seriousness of the charges and allow Alabama voters to make their choice.”

    Notably, the Republican National Committee, which is closely aligned with Trump, had not cut ties with Moore as of Monday evening.

    If additional accusers come forward, it could close off any viable path to victory for Moore and force him from the race while saving Trump from wading into a nasty intraparty fight.

    Trump’s own past battles over reports of misconduct also could play into his thinking.

    The president survived the “Access Hollywood” scandal involving his past lewd remarks about women just a month before Election Day 2016. Multiple women then came forward accusing Trump of sexual assault, allegations that the president has denied. If Trump came down hard on Moore, it could open the president up to charges of hypocrisy.

    Bannon and his allies are aggressively seeking to tamp down the controversy around Moore by discrediting his accusers and suggesting that Democrats or establishment Republicans are behind the attacks.

    “I think there’s going to be some pretty interesting stories about how that information got dropped and who paid for it and who weaponized it,” Bannon said in a speech to The Citadel Republican Society over the weekend.
    Moore is already fundraising off that notion.

    “According to sources, establishment Republicans are colluding with the Obama-Clinton Machine behind-the-scenes in a desperate effort to sabotage my campaign and keep me out of Washington,” Moore wrote in a campaign mailer that was sent out with the subject line: “McConnell’s dirty plot to destroy me.”

    The White House was quiet about the story on Monday, but remarks the day before on NBC’s “Meet the Press” from legislative director Marc Short reflected the tightrope it has sought to walk so far.

    Short said that “no Senate seat is more important than the notion of child pedophilia.”

    But he also praised Moore as “somebody who graduated from West Point, he served our country in Vietnam, he’s been elected multiple times statewide in Alabama.”

    “The people in Alabama know Roy Moore better than we do here in D.C., and I think we have to be very cautious ... of allegations that are 40 years old that arise a month before Election Day,” Short said.

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    Short said that “no Senate seat is more important than the notion of child pedophilia.”
    Nothing Roy Moore has been accused of has anything to do with "pedophilia". These women were way beyond the age of pedophilia. These were teenagers, some of them 17 or 18, 1 claims she was 16 and another claims she was 14, but based on her talk about having a phone in her room, her mother says she had that phone when she was older. In any event, this is not child molestation or pedophilia which stops at 13.

    Here are the facts of life. Some men like younger women. Some women like older men. My parents fit the ages of this very scenario. My Dad was 33, my mom was 18 when they got married. They'd dated a year or so prior to that. It was my mom who pursued my Dad for months prior to their first date. She'd get with her girlfriend, take my grandpa's car and drive all over town hoping to see my Dad out and about so she could bump into him and say something to him. Eventually, he took notice and asked my grandpa if he could take mom out on a date. Grandpa wasn't sure because of the age difference, but mom wanted to go so bad grandpa gave permission. They loved each other as much as any two people could every day of their lives. They were both mature, gorgeous, classy, debonair and 2 of the finest people I've ever known.

    The problem with recounting stories even when they're basically true is that people's memories are bad, their recollections of dates and times are inaccurate, and exactly what happened gets fuzzy, and context is off, it may not change the overall truth of the incident, but it impacts the details of the incident, what year, exactly how old you were, what was said and done exactly. When stories are being pushed by the Washington Post and Gloria Allred, the interviewers are leading the witnesses to try to make it all worse than it is to make a good story or a good case. This reality is precisely why we have statutes of limitations.

    Roy Moore has been married to the same woman, without story or incident since around 1986 and has 4 children. Whatever Roy Moore did in his search for love or a mate 40 years ago is water under the bridge under our rule of law and should have no bearing at all on this US Senate race.

    And for those who don't know, Roy Moore was a Democrat when all of this was supposedly going on. That's right, Roy Moore was a DemoQuack Liberal until 1992. So whatever he did during those years accrues to the Democrats, not Republicans. Best I can tell, he's been a pretty straight arrow with his Bible First and his 10 Commandments on the wall ever since he became a Republican.

    So, it seems to me, this Senate race in Alabama needs to be decided by the people of Alabama based on policies important to their state and crucial to our country and citizens.
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    Senate Republicans signaled on Monday that they want nothing to do with Moore and will work to prevent his seating, with Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) saying he believed Moore’s accusers.
    This is Alabama's choice to make and Mitch McConnel needs to keep his personal opinions out of it!

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    Sounds to me like another plot cooked up by the left. Only way they can win is by cheating. Kind of strange it took 40 years to come out and after Moore happened to be on the ballot and in the lead over the Democrat. The timing says more to me than anything. He is accused and not found guilty yet and possibly never will be. But just enough time to put it out there to try and make Moore loose. Time for there republicans to start sweeping up some dirt on the dems. Fight fire with fire.

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    Have any facts, real facts, come out? I realize things like this are a 'she said-he said' situation and are the facts are hard to determine.

    Also, memories change with time. The human mind is not the steel trap some people believe it is.

    Again, I won't cut him any slack, if it is true. This hasn't been reported as a love story - but something worse.

    Everyone needs to back off and let the facts come out -

    The danger is, again, the hypocrisy.

    Look up some of the videos of Joe Biden during swearing in ceremonies of congresspeople.

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    Here's the history of Roy Moore.

    He was a Democrat until 1992 when he was recruited by the American Family Association to run for Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court. Roy Moore became a Republican for political purposes driven by the far-right. He won. It was the first election he ever ... won. He'd run for office numerous times before and lost every time. With the support and prodding of a national far-right group, he changed his political affiliation in 1992 and ran for Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court and won.

    My opinion is that Alabama needs to send Roy Moore to the US Senate and let the cards fall where they may once he's there so we can keep our Senate count. If Bannon hadn't done what he did, Luther Strange would be the next Senator from Alabama, someone who voted with Trump every single time without asking for anything in return. The people of Alabama made a different choice, so Republicans in Alabama need to hold the line, even if it means holding their nose, and send this Republican to the US Senate.

    The United States can not afford a loss of even one Republican vote in the US Senate. Everything we want to do depends on a Republican Majority in the US Senate, no matter how small. The issue with the women when they were in high school 40 years ago will have to work itself out on a separate basis AFTER the election and AFTER Moore is in the Senate. Furthermore anyone who thinks Roy Moore might be the first member of Congress to chase young women around the desk, needs to wake up.

    There will be another election in 3 years. This election does not seat Moore in the Senate for 6 years. He will have to run again in 2020.

    Moore isn't going to support the insurance repeal/replace bills or the tax bill in my opinion, so Trump and the Republicans have to get the tax bill with the repeal of the individual mandate finished before the December 12th election in Alabama, regardless of who wins it. Hopefully that will be done and finished in time. ALIPAC believes Moore can be counted on to vote against all amnesty, DACA, Dreamer, etc. bills, this is very important because if Jones wins, he will vote with Democrats to pass those bills.

    Alabamans have to make the decision, but that is my opinion based on the national implications of this election. My opinion would be the same regardless of state or person. We have to elect Republicans to Congress to fix our country, not just re-elect incumbents, but re-elect incumbents and more new Republican members. We have to grow the majorities in both House and Senate If you don't like the incumbent, that's a primary issue, once that primary is over, it's go big, go bold and make damn sure whoever you elected in the primary wins the General.
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    I think Mitch McConnell will make it clear to President Trump that if he does not disavow Roy Moore the future will not be pleasant. I still believe this is McConnell versus Bannon and payback for voters electing Roy Moore over Luther Strange in Alabama.
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    McConnell didn't have anything to do with this story about the women. McConnell would never jeopardize a majority in the Senate over anything Bannon does or says. Bannon caused this mess so he needs to figure out a way to get his candidate to the US Senate on December 12 with almost no endorsements and no money. Bannon thinks of himself as the smartest guy in the room, when he isn't.

    SHOW TIME BANNON! Get a Republican from Alabama to the Senate on December 12, or you're finished.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    McConnell didn't have anything to do with this story about the women. McConnell would never jeopardize a majority in the Senate over anything Bannon does or says. Bannon caused this mess so he needs to figure out a way to get his candidate to the US Senate on December 12 with almost no endorsements and no money. Bannon thinks of himself as the smartest guy in the room, when he isn't.

    SHOW TIME BANNON! Get a Republican from Alabama to the Senate on December 12, or you're finished.
    So exactly how did Bannon cause this mess? The only thing Bannon is guilty of is supporting one candidate over another (Moore over Strange). Honestly, I give Bannon credit for sticking with Moore while everyone else is using the unproven allegations as an excuse to purge Moore.

    I don't know if Roy Moore is guilty or not, but I certainly know Bannon didn't cause the problems he's currently experiencing. Furthermore, should Roy Moore somehow be overcome by the allegations, I don't see how it would have anything to do with Bannon's future one way or another.

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    I realize you don't understand what's going on, so I'm just going to leave it with this: You better hope Moore wins on December 12.
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