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    They're gypsies. That should tell you all you need to know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    They're gypsies. That should tell you all you need to know.
    To a point, but most all of them in Texas, still have their roots firmly planted in Mexico. They are here because they can profit from it and truly many hope and believe it will once again, be part of Mexico.

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    Yes, of course they do. But not to confuse them with the millions and millions of Mexican Americans. Illegal aliens are a gypsy breed of invader, they were this way in Mexico and their other home countries, they were the ones who couldn't and wouldn't fit in and make it in their own countries, they are not of the same stuff as Americans. Millions and millions of Americans for generations grew up and lived poor as dirt. You don't abandon your country and family, leave your kids, and invade another nation because you want a little more money. You left because you were on the lam or in the outs or working for the cartels. Take your pick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nntrixie View Post
    To a point, but most all of them in Texas, still have their roots firmly planted in Mexico. They are here because they can profit from it and truly many hope and believe it will once again, be part of Mexico.
    Bingo! You hit the nail on the head with this comment, even though most people are afraid to say it out loud, even though they know it's true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    Yes, of course they do. But not to confuse them with the millions and millions of Mexican Americans. Illegal aliens are a gypsy breed of invader, they were this way in Mexico and their other home countries, they were the ones who couldn't and wouldn't fit in and make it in their own countries, they are not of the same stuff as Americans. Millions and millions of Americans for generations grew up and lived poor as dirt. You don't abandon your country and family, leave your kids, and invade another nation because you want a little more money. You left because you were on the lam or in the outs or working for the cartels. Take your pick.
    I disagree that the Mexican Nationals coming here are just "gypsies". They have been encouraged by their government to ignore the laws of this country for Mexico's economic gain. Mexico has long advocated the US stole their land, he reality of the cancelled check is never mentioned. Mexico has found a way to export it's poverty, created by Mexico's institutional racist caste system, and relieve the social demands itself to the US.

    See here:

    This is what the Mexican illegals are a accustomed to yet they come here whining "racism" to get away with their crimes. Illegal entry is just the beginning of the crime spree necessary to stay here. JMO

    The Mexican Caste System

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    Colonial Mexico had a legal racial caste system that was very complex and detailed. It was a legal caste system, imposed by the Spanish government, and ones caste determined how high in society one could go. The caste system defined three main categories of humans, and then further broke that down into 16 distinct racial subcategories. In fact, the Spanish were so obsessed with race, that they even had the equivalent of posters commissioned by artists to describe the 16 official racial mixtures. Hundreds of these paintings survive to this day.

    Mexico has assisted and encourage it's poor to come here, even giving them a roadmap and instructions for how to get as much as they can. In retrospect the entire Mexican economic invasion appears to be state sponsored. The number of Mexican consulates that have sprung up to advocate for Mexicans citizens living here illegally is more proof.

    This is from 2005 and I agree with J.D, Hayworth. What has changed??

    Mexican State Issues 'How To' on Border Jumping
    Published March 23, 2005 Fox News


    LOS ANGELES – Critics of illegal immigration say America's borders have always been too easy to cross, and now one Mexican state is trying to make it easier than ever.

    The state of Yucatan (search) has issued a new 87-page handbook that tells people how to get across the U.S. border illegally. The guide, which has an accompanying DVD, contains a section on how to apply for a lawful visa but the remaining 50-plus pages are filled with instructions about how to safely sneak into the United States, then blend in.

    "They need to cease and desist and, in fact, return to a position of being an ally of the United States instead of an adversary," said Rep. J.D. Hayworth (search), R-Ariz.

    But Sara Zapata Mijares, president of the Yucatecan Club (search) of Los Angeles, called the guide a "life-preserving document."

    Mijares and officials in Yucatan say illegal immigration is a reality and the guide is a necessity to save lives. But she points out that in the handbook, the dangers of crossing the border are illustrated with photographs of tombs.

    "You tell me if this is an image that promotes immigration," she said.

    Last year, the Mexican Foreign Ministry (search) published a similar guide, but in comic book form, that angered some U.S. lawmakers.

    The newest guide also tells immigrants where to find health care, how to get their kids into U.S. schools and how to send money home — the reason some say Mexico is encouraging people to come to the United Sates illegally.

    "This is really the way they keep their corrupt system afloat, by sending their excess workers to the United States and getting billions of dollars in remittances every year ... so for them this is a worthwhile investment," said Ira Mehlman of the Federation for American Immigration Reform (search).

    Hayworth and several of his colleagues have written a strongly worded letter to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, encouraging her to tell Mexico to stop undermining U.S. immigration laws. If they do not, Hayworth suggests tough consequences, including sanctions.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/2005/03...r-jumping.html


    2006 brought massive numbers of illegals into our streets demanding citizenship and waving Mexican flags. The optics were so bad that the illegal immigration handlers went so far as to pass out American flags for the illegals to carry, which were discarded in the streets when their marcha was over.

    This is being taught by the University of Dayton.

    From 2006.

    https://www.alipac.us/f9/u-dayton-sc...can-war-21119/
    U of Dayton School of Law Recap of Mexican American War


    As taught by the University of Dayton Law School, this is the timeline of the land theft from Mexico by the United States.
    Some of the verbiage used in the "quotes of the time" is inflammatory and would be considered racist in our current society, I personally find some them offensive, but these quotes are what is being taught. By referring to this to "retake" a developed country in this century is looter mentality.
    There are other articles that one might find interesting at this web site.

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    Did you know that until 1848 California, New Mexico and other portions of the Southwest were internationally recognized provinces of free Mexico, until the U.S. decided it wanted those provinces, declared war on Mexico, and stole them? Read on for the chronology of these events, and then ask yourself : "Who are the real illegal in California?"
    Prior to 1822 What is today Mexico, Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Utah, and California are all Spanish colonies.
    1822 Mexican colonists, following the American revolution, rebel against Spain and win their own revolutionary war, making Mexico a free nation just like America.
    1844 James Polk campaigns for the U.S. presidency, supporting expansion of U.S. territories into Mexico.
    February, 1845 James Polk, on his inagauguration night, confides to his Secretary of the Navy that a principal objective of his presidency is the acquisition of California, which Mexico had been refusing to sell to the U.S. at any price.
    Early 1845 The Washington Union, expressing the position of James Polk, writes: "...who can arrest the torrent that will pour onward to the West? The road to California will be open to us. Who will stay the march...?" "A corps of properly organized volunteers...would invade, overrun, and occupy Mexico. They would enable us not only to take California, but to keep it."
    Early 1845 John O'Sullivan, editor of the Democratic review writes it is "Our manifest destiny to overspread the continent ...for the free development of our yearly multiplying millions."
    Early 1845 James Polk promises Texas he will support moving the historical Texas/Mexico border at the Nueces river 150 miles south to the Rio Grande provided Texas agrees to join the union. "The traditional border between Texas and Mexico had been the Nueces River...and both the United States and Mexico had recognized that as the border." (Zinn, p. 148
    June 30, 1845 James Polk orders troops to march south of the traditional Texas/Mexico border into Mexican inhabited territory, causing Mexicans to flee their villages and abandon their crops in terror. "Ordering troops to the Rio Grande, into territory inhabited by Mexicans, was clearly a provocation." (Zinn, p. 148
    "President Polk had incited war by sending American soldiers into what was disputed territory, historically controlled and inhabited by Mexicans." (John Schroeder , "Mr. Polk's War")
    Early 1846 Colonel Hitchcock, commander of the 3rd Infantry regiment, writes in his diary: "...the United States are the aggressors....We have not one particle of right to be here....It looks as if the government sent a small force on purpose to bring on a war, so as to have a pretext for taking California and as much of this country as it chooses....My heart is not in this business."
    May 9, 1846 President Polk tells his cabinet: "...up to this time...we have heard of no open aggression by the Mexican Army."
    May 10, 1846 Violence erupts between Mexican and American troops south of the Nueces River. Of course Polk claims Mexicans had fired the first shot, but in his famous "spot resolutions" congressman Abraham Lincoln repeatedly challenges president Polk to name the exact "spot" where Mexicans first attacked American troops. Polk never met the challenge.
    May 11, 1846 President Polk urges congress to declare war on Mexico.
    May 12, 1846 : Horace Greeley writes in the New York Tribune: "We can easily defeat the armies of Mexico, slaughter them by thousands, and pursue them perhaps to their capital; we can conquer and "annex" their territory; but what then? Who believes that a score of victories over Mexico, the "annexation" of half of her provinces, will give us more Liberty, a purer Morality, a more prosperous Industry...?
    1846 Congressman Abraham Lincoln, speaking in a session of congress "...the president unnecessarily and unconstitutionally commenced a war with Mexico....The marching an army into the midst of a peaceful Mexican settlement, frightening the inhabitants away, leaving their growing crops and other property to destruction, to you may appear a perfectly amiable, peaceful, un- provoking procedure; but it does not appear so to us."
    after war is underway, the American press comments: February 11, 1847. The "Congressional Globe" reports: "...We must march from ocean to ocean....We must march from Texas straight to the Pacific ocean....It is the destiny of the white race, it is the destiny of the Anglo-Saxon Race."
    The New York Herald: "The universal Yankee Nation can regenerate and disenthrall the people of Mexico in a few years; and we believe it is a part of our destiny to civilize that beautiful country."
    American Review writes of Mexicans "yielding to a superior population, insensibly oozing into her territories, changing her customs, and out-living, exterminating her weaker blood."
    1846-1848 U.S. Army battles Mexico, not just enforcing the new Texas border at the Rio Grande but capturing Arizona, New Mexico, Utah, Colorado, and California (as well as marching as far south as Mexico City).
    1848 Mexico surrenders on U.S. terms (U.S. takes over ownership of New Mexico, California, an expanded Texas, and more, for a token payment of $15 million, which leads the Whig Intelligencer to report: "We take nothing by conquest....Thank God").
    (date unknown) General Ulysses S. Grant calls the Mexican War "the most unjust war ever undertaken by a stronger nation against a weaker one."
    Primary Source: "We take nothing by conquest, Thank God", in A People's History Of the United States, 1492-Present, Howard Zinn, NY: HarperCollins Publishers, Inc. (This book is available on the shelf at virtually every bookstore in America. The New York Times Book Review says it "...should be required reading for a new generation of students...." )
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    We should go ahead and shut down this zombie government that betrays the American public on almost every important issue because by the numbers this government became insolvent many years ago. No American family or buisness would be allowed to continue if our finances looked like the fed's!

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    Mexico Is Sending Us Colonists, Not Immigrants

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    by TOM TANCREDO

    30 Apr 2016


    “Mexico First” has been the open, avowed policy of the government of Mexico for a generation, and Mexico expects its former residents to be loyal to Mexico for the next 200 years.

    Yet, when Donald Trump calls for an “America First” foreign policy, as he did in a speech this past week, he is denounced by pundits and the national security establishment for “nativism” and “demagoguery,” as if that policy is a novel and radical idea.

    Well, not in Mexico.

    I know that for a fact because I had it explained to me in Mexico City back in 2001 by a Mexican cabinet official. His name was Juan Hernandez and you may have seen him on television in 2008 when he was candidate John McCain’s presidential campaign liaison with Mexican-American voters. You see, Juan Hernandez is a dual citizen with dual loyalties, just like many of the 30-50 million Mexican Americans in the United States.

    In my conversation with Hernandez in Mexico’s capital city, he explained quite eagerly and candidly the reasons for the Mexican government’s active encouragement of Mexicans to “go north” — legally and illegally. Senor Hernandez was the head of a department in the Mexican government called the Office of Mexicans Living Outside Mexico– an entire government agency devoted to communicating with and assisting Mexicans living in the United States.

    Hernandez bragged about the many programs for encouraging and helping Mexicans to move north, programs that provided “survival kits” and maps for the journey, helpful hints on how to deal with the U.S. Border Patrol, and how to deal with American officials if apprehended on the border. He was not apologetic or shy about these “educational services,” and answered my questions freely.

    Being surprised by the brazenness of this government official, I asked Hernandez, “Aren’t you a little bit ashamed or embarrassed to admit that your government is actively encouraging and helping people to cross the United States border illegally? He laughed. I remember his words clearly: “Congressman, really! The southwest is not two countries, it’s a region.”

    Why does Mexico devote so much effort to promoting and helping millions of its citizens leave Mexico and start a new life in “el Norte”? Does the fact that the millions of Mexicans living in the U.S. send $25 billion dollars in cash remittances annually back to relatives in Mexico have anything to do with it– cash that provides 30 percent of Mexico’s foreign investment, rivaling tourism in importance to the Mexican economy?

    Mexico sees Mexicans in the United States as strategic assets in every sense of that word. They are seen as extensions of the Mexican state and partners in Mexico’s plans,

    Hernandez then explained that the Mexican government had recently changed its Constitution to allow dual citizenship and to allow Mexicans living outside Mexico to vote in Mexican elections.

    Mexico not only promotes emigration “northward” to grow the Mexican population inside the United States, it officially practices a policy of treating all Mexican-Americans as “Mexicans First” and Americans second.


    Mexico officially conveys Mexican citizenship to the children of Mexicans born in the United States– they have dual citizenship from birth, and thus, they can vote in Mexican elections just like their parents. By law, this dual citizenship is conveyed to ALL Mexicans born in the U.S., and it does not matter if a Mexican immigrant becomes a naturalized U.S. citizen, he is still a citizen of Mexico.

    Those policies cannot be dismissed as mere expressions of Mexican pride. They are indications of a policy of planned interference in American domestic affairs. The policy of dual citizenship is only the visible tip of the iceberg of a strategic plan for active and overt involvement in American politics to advance Mexican government interests.

    Anyone who thinks I am exaggerating should do a little research and listen to the words of Mexican leaders. For example, Vincente Fox, President of Mexico from 2000-2006, proclaimed from a Texas stage that Mexico believes any person of Mexican descent owes a loyalty to Mexico “unto the seventh generation.”

    The most interesting thing to me is not that these examples of Mexican nationalism are abundant and not hidden. The interesting thing is that so few American politicians are willing to talk about them or their significance.

    And, of course, Mexican nationalism is officially welcomed and accommodated by the Obama administration’s “Welcoming New Americans” policy of officially abandoning assimilation as a bedrock goal of immigration policy.

    But the real scandal in American journalism and American politics is how Americans are held to a different standard while Mexican nationalism is defended.


    • Why is it that to the American news media, American academic institutions and American political elites, Mexican nationalism is good thing and a healthy thing, but American nationalism is dangerous and “extremist”?
    • Why is an “America First” foreign policy politically incorrect, but Mexico and every other nation on the planet is expected to put its own national interests first and foremost in its relations with other nations?


    When hundreds of people waving Mexican flags attack Americans attending a Trump for President rally in southern California, the media excuses the violence and the bullying as a justifiable expression of Mexican distrust of Trump’s policies.

    Why is Mexican nationalism a good thing but putting American interests first needs defending? Why is building a fence or a wall to block illegal entry an unacceptable step in protecting American sovereignty, but it is just fine for the Mexican government to actively violate American sovereignty on a daily basis?

    Back in 2006 when the Kennedy-McCain amnesty plan was being debated in Congress, similar events took place with Mexican flags prominently displayed in rallies supporting the amnesty legislation.

    In one scene captured by a news photographer, an American flag flown at a California university campus was taken down and then flown upside down by protesters waving Mexican flags. That photo and similar pro-Mexican images generated an understandable backlash that turned the debate around and defeated the amnesty plan.

    “America First” is a policy that makes sense not only in US-Mexican relations, it makes sense across the board. Maybe the political elites who think differently are about to be taught a lesson.

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    Good points, Newmexican. I can remember several years ago when we referred to them as an advance force to take over our country, which much of me still believes to be the case.
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    If you would like to see how desperate Americans can feel when they realize they have lost their voice in their state go to facebook and join the group Californians for Trump.
    Here on ALIPAC we understand what is happening, but there are so many Americans in California that are in total shock and trying to understand how the people are being ruled by a select few. How can they keep taking our taxes and give them to illegal immigrants. Free college and healthcare and even legal help for illegals.

    In doing my research I have found that California has been taken over by anchor babies who all belong to MECha. They want to drive out all white Americans and claim California. Californians voted for Trump hoping he would come to our rescue, but as he continues to ignore California more and more Californians are preparing to leave.

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