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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    There will be more than an argument. Who do you think is behind Trump challenging the Iowa Caucus vote? It's Trump Supporters. Trump Supporters are the ones upset with what happened. Also Carson Supporters. But if you think voter fraud is okay, you're entitled to your opinion, but most Americans don't like to see that in our elections, whether it's our candidate like Trump being cheated, or another Republican candidate like Carson and possibly others were cheated by these dirty tactics, or whether it's a Democratic candidate like Bernie Sanders who loses Iowa over coin tosses?

    We owe our election process including the primary process a lot better than at least 3 examples of voter and election fraud in a single primary caucus plus the bull that went on in the Democratic vote in Iowa that required not one but 6 coin tosses? This is ridiculous. I hope Trump Supporters in Iowa raise holy hell and get tot he bottom of what happened in the Iowa Caucus and hold those responsible fully accountable for it.
    Judy, this isn't voter fraud and the whining will not make it so. In the worst case scenario it was a misunderstanding. King said it "looked" like Carson was pulling out because of something he heard about Carson going home. Furthermore, Cruz has apologized for the misunderstanding. There was absolutely not intent of deception by Cruz here. He was not the one that sent the tweet out and is not directly responsible for it being sent.

    I'm a Trump supporter too, however, I don't see anything to the accusations. Considering Trump came in 2nd, I just don't see that the potential negative publicity of being considered a whiner as worth it.

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    Carson looks like he is out. Iowans need to know before they vote. Most will go to Cruz, I hope. https://t.co/lW5Js50EMA
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    This is from a member of the United States Congress, from Iowa, telling everyone on Twitter than Carson is out, they need to know so hopefully they vote for Cruz instead. "Iowans need to know before they vote".

    Is this how Steve King operates in the US Congress? Is this the type of person we hail as one of our guys? Why didn't he text the Carson campaign and ask "are you out?" This was taking a simple report by CNN that Carson was going home to Florida to get a change of clothes as Carson suspending his campaign? No, that is not a mistake. That's a fraud telling "Iowans need to know before they vote" and hope they vote for Cruz, voters stuck in a Caucus line with no way of finding out what the hell he's talking about, having to stand there and trust a member of the US Congress. No, that's fraud. Fraud has many faces, and this is one of them.

    Steve King's lies about Trump and the endorsements on Caucus day, that's fraud and slander. Ted Cruz's mailer, that's fraud. Maybe in some different world of liars, thieves and thugs this is just business as usual, but in my world, that's fraud and that's what I called it before Trump did, so I imagine thousands of Trump Supporters called it the same which is why Trump is making a deal of it, as he should.

    Apologies aren't worth the time it takes to listen to it in something as important as an election to select the next President of the United States.

    Maybe people should ask Steve King why isn't he moving his bill in Congress to stop anchor baby citizenship through the Congress instead of spending all this time being a dirty politician in the Cruz campaign? How many years have these so-called "our guys" been introducing bills that could solve some problems and letting them rot in committee?

    I think we need to wake up and smell the crap on both sides of the aisle. We've been duped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016...tricks-n509396

    This is from a member of the United States Congress, from Iowa, telling everyone on Twitter than Carson is out, they need to know so hopefully they vote for Cruz instead. "Iowans need to know before they vote".

    Is this how Steve King operates in the US Congress? Is this the type of person we hail as one of our guys? Why didn't he text the Carson campaign and ask "are you out?" This was taking a simple report by CNN that Carson was going home to Florida to get a change of clothes as Carson suspending his campaign? No, that is not a mistake. That's a fraud telling "Iowans need to know before they vote" and hope they vote for Cruz, voters stuck in a Caucus line with no way of finding out what the hell he's talking about, having to stand there and trust a member of the US Congress. No, that's fraud. Fraud has many faces, and this is one of them.

    Steve King's lies about Trump and the endorsements on Caucus day, that's fraud and slander. Ted Cruz's mailer, that's fraud. Maybe in some different world of liars, thieves and thugs this is just business as usual, but in my world, that's fraud and that's what I called it before Trump did, so I imagine thousands of Trump Supporters called it the same which is why Trump is making a deal of it, as he should.

    Apologies aren't worth the time it takes to listen to it in something as important as an election to select the next President of the United States.

    Maybe people should ask Steve King why isn't he moving his bill in Congress to stop anchor baby citizenship through the Congress instead of spending all this time being a dirty politician in the Cruz campaign? How many years have these so-called "our guys" been introducing bills that could solve some problems and letting them rot in committee?

    I think we need to wake up and smell the crap on both sides of the aisle. We've been duped.
    This still was not voter fraud. To successfully sue on election fraud the accuser would have to prove the results were altered through deception or misrepresentation and that he sustained injury. It's easy to whine that this happened, but it's all together another thing to prove it. Rep. King did not say Carson was definitely out, he said it looked like he was. In his perception it may very well have seemed that way. Nope, there is no provable voter fraud here and anyone that attempts to make an issue of it is just spinning their wheels needlessly.

    Attacking Rep. Steve King in the vicious way you have does not do our cause any good, especially when you have no proof that he purposely set out to deceive us. You're basically telling the world (or at least all ALIPAC forum readers) that Rep. Steve King is trash and can't be trusted. Rep. King has been a huge ally to our cause and has always stood by us. To denigrate him publicly and attempt to embarrass him in this manner over something so trivial is to forget all he has done and/or attempted to do for our cause.

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    Trump and Carson both sustained injury from voter fraud. This was a Caucus, so it's a private matter between the candidates and the party. You lie about Ben Carson suspending his campaign during a Caucus vote, that's a lie with consequences. You send a fraudulent mailer through the mail that's voter fraud through mail fraud. You use your position as a member of the US Congress to tell the public on Caucus day that "I know things" and accuse Trump of buying endorsements, that's fraud. These are at minimum torte cases that impact the fair election process for selecting nominees for President of the United States.

    But that's fine if it doesn't bother you. But, it's bothering a lot of people, including Trump and Carson Supporters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    Trump and Carson both sustained injury from voter fraud. This was a Caucus, so it's a private matter between the candidates and the party. You lie about Ben Carson suspending his campaign during a Caucus vote, that's a lie with consequences. You send a fraudulent mailer through the mail that's voter fraud through mail fraud. You use your position as a member of the US Congress to tell the public on Caucus day that "I know things" and accuse Trump of buying endorsements, that's fraud. These are at minimum torte cases that impact the fair election process for selecting nominees for President of the United States.

    But that's fine if it doesn't bother you. But, it's bothering a lot of people, including Trump and Carson Supporters.
    There is no voter fraud here. Furthermore, you're placing words in King's mouth. He did not say Carson was definitely suspending his campaign ....... please read the tweet YOU provided here on this forum.

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    I didn't say King said Carson was "definitely suspending his campaign". As you point out, I posted exactly what he said. Cruz is cooked. No one wants a cheat, no one wants a thug. We've already had enough of those.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    I didn't say King said Carson was "definitely suspending his campaign". As you point out, I posted exactly what he said. Cruz is cooked. No one wants a cheat, no one wants a thug. We've already had enough of those.
    No, Cruz is not cooked. Cruz didn't send the tweet, nor did he sanction the sending of it.

    I didn't say King said Carson was "definitely suspending his campaign".
    There is no denying your implications.

    No one wants a cheat, no one wants a thug. We've already had enough of those.
    Cruz didn't cheat and he certainly didn't show himself as a thug. Actually Trump has been more of a thug than Cruz. If would be so nice if you would just stick with the facts and minus all the senseless name calling.

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    Cruz is a crook, a liar and a thug. That's my opinion and it's not debatable. You're free to disagree. When you're a Harvard attorney who can't file a form and disclose his loans, who doesn't know that he's not eligible to run for the office, he doesn't know he's a Canadian citizen, he doesn't know that when you testify that you support comprehensive immigration reform and legalization of illegal aliens that that's what it means unless you're lying to the Senate and the American Public, he doesn't know that his National Co-Chair is tweeting Caucus voters while they're in Caucus when he's on the Tweet list, he supports accusing Trump of buying endorsements through his National Co-chairman, and this is just what we know about so far. There will be much more.

    To me, Cruz is a crook, he's a liar, he's dishonest not just in election work, not just in the Iowa Caucus, he crooked to the core.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    Cruz is a crook, a liar and a thug. That's my opinion and it's not debatable. You're free to disagree. When you're a Harvard attorney who can't file a form and disclose his loans, who doesn't know that he's not eligible to run for the office, he doesn't know he's a Canadian citizen, he doesn't know that when you testify that you support comprehensive immigration reform and legalization of illegal aliens that that's what it means unless you're lying to the Senate and the American Public, he doesn't know that his National Co-Chair is tweeting Caucus voters while they're in Caucus when he's on the Tweet list, he supports accusing Trump of buying endorsements through his National Co-chairman, and this is just what we know about so far. There will be much more.

    To me, Cruz is a crook, he's a liar, he's dishonest not just in election work, not just in the Iowa Caucus, he crooked to the core.
    I should expect nothing less from someone who feels Cruz is a huge threat to Trump. I disagree with you 100%. Time to wake up and realize Cruz isn't our enemy, the establishment candidate is.
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    They're all threats to us, except Trump. But if you want to support Cruz, that's your choice, same as mine to support Trump. You can continue to attack Trump and I will continue to attack Cruz. That's our political process.
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