Hillary Clinton: Border needs wall

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/ ... 7915c.html

Hil: Border needs wall


Also backs legalization, but immig forces angry

BY LESLIE CASIMIR
and LEO STANDORA
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS

Taking her hardest line yet against illegal immigrants, Sen. Hillary Clinton told the Daily News she wants U.S. borders secured with a wall or fence, possibly surveillance drones and infrared cameras.

Clinton's proposal - which came just weeks after she blasted Republican crackdowns on illegal immigrants as un-Christian - raised the ire of activists.

But she tempered her remarks by saying that, while she supports a barrier to stem new illegal immigrants, she favors a legalization process for the 11 million undocumented aliens already here.

In an exclusive interview with the News' Michael Goodwin, Clinton said that she envisions a two-stage plan in which border security is beefed up, followed by legalization efforts in a year or two.

"A physical structure is obviously important," the New York Democrat and possible presidential contender told Goodwin. "A wall in certain areas would be appropriate," she said, endorsing a high-tech "smart fence" that could spot people approaching from 200 or 300 yards.

Embracing both conservative and liberal goals, Clinton said said she backs citizenship rather than amnesty for illegal immigrants, as long as it's "earned."

At the same time, she welcomed tougher enforcement of federal laws punishing employers who hire illegal immigrants. Clinton also pooh-poohed a work and school boycott by advocacy groups set for May 1.

At a planning meeting yesterday for a human chain demonstration in the five boroughs that day, immigrant advocates booed Clinton's get-tough stance.

"To see the senator from New York, which is clearly an immigrant state, take a position that harsh is not the real solution," said Gouri Sadhwani, executive director of the New York Civic Participation Project and La Fuente. "The flow of undocumented immigrants into our country will not be stopped by putting up a fence along the Mexican border."

Saul Campoverde, 35, a construction worker from Bushwick, Brooklyn, who came to the U.S. illegally from Ecuador 10 years ago, also ripped the fence plan.

"That would be like clipping the wings off a bird - that would kill many people's dreams of having a better opportunity, future for their families," he said.

Activists were happier with what Clinton had to say last month when she lambasted GOP moves to brand undocumented immigrants as felons.

"It is certainly not in keeping with my understanding of the Scriptures," she said then. "This bill would literally criminalize the good Samaritan - and probably even Jesus himself."

Originally published on April 23, 2006

I'm so sick of this two-faced American people back stabbing b????. She's trying to play both sides of the fence, and she knows she pissed off too many Americans by speaking in favor of legalizing illegals at one of the protests. Now she's going to do an about face?? She'd never get my vote!!

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http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/411372p-347915c.html

Hil: Border needs wall


Also backs legalization, but immig forces angry

BY LESLIE CASIMIR
and LEO STANDORA
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS

Taking her hardest line yet against illegal immigrants, Sen. Hillary Clinton told the Daily News she wants U.S. borders secured with a wall or fence, possibly surveillance drones and infrared cameras.

Clinton's proposal - which came just weeks after she blasted Republican crackdowns on illegal immigrants as un-Christian - raised the ire of activists.

But she tempered her remarks by saying that, while she supports a barrier to stem new illegal immigrants, she favors a legalization process for the 11 million undocumented aliens already here.

In an exclusive interview with the News' Michael Goodwin, Clinton said that she envisions a two-stage plan in which border security is beefed up, followed by legalization efforts in a year or two.

"A physical structure is obviously important," the New York Democrat and possible presidential contender told Goodwin. "A wall in certain areas would be appropriate," she said, endorsing a high-tech "smart fence" that could spot people approaching from 200 or 300 yards.

Embracing both conservative and liberal goals, Clinton said said she backs citizenship rather than amnesty for illegal immigrants, as long as it's "earned."

At the same time, she welcomed tougher enforcement of federal laws punishing employers who hire illegal immigrants. Clinton also pooh-poohed a work and school boycott by advocacy groups set for May 1.

At a planning meeting yesterday for a human chain demonstration in the five boroughs that day, immigrant advocates booed Clinton's get-tough stance.

"To see the senator from New York, which is clearly an immigrant state, take a position that harsh is not the real solution," said Gouri Sadhwani, executive director of the New York Civic Participation Project and La Fuente. "The flow of undocumented immigrants into our country will not be stopped by putting up a fence along the Mexican border."

Saul Campoverde, 35, a construction worker from Bushwick, Brooklyn, who came to the U.S. illegally from Ecuador 10 years ago, also ripped the fence plan.

"That would be like clipping the wings off a bird - that would kill many people's dreams of having a better opportunity, future for their families," he said.

Activists were happier with what Clinton had to say last month when she lambasted GOP moves to brand undocumented immigrants as felons.

"It is certainly not in keeping with my understanding of the Scriptures," she said then. "This bill would literally criminalize the good Samaritan - and probably even Jesus himself."

Originally published on April 23, 2006

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Ms. forked tongue can't get it in her head it is 20 + million and hell no: NO AMNESTY.

Can you ever believe a word of what Hillary says?
Even when she says something accurate?

Hi Dannah1965. Welcome.

Jesus must have told Hillary a wall was okay. :wink:

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Jesus must have told Hillary a wall was okay. :wink:

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LMAO :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006 ... 0825.shtml

Sunday, April 23, 2006 9:06 a.m. EDT
Hillary Clinton Comes Out for Border Wall


Responding to polls showing that a strong majority of Americans support building a wall across the U.S.-Mexican border, 2008 presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton announced Saturday that she backs a border wall plan that would include both physical barriers and a "smart fence."

"A physical structure is obviously important," Mrs. Clinton told the New York Daily News. "A wall in certain areas would be appropriate."

The News said she also supported deploying a high-tech "smart fence" that could spot people approaching from 200 or 300 yards. Clinton said the deployment of surveillance drones and infrared cameras should be considered as well.

A Time magazine poll released two weeks ago showed that 56 percent of Americans supported building a wall along the entire 2,000 mile U.S.-Mexican border - with only 40 percent opposed.

Still, most immigration reform plans currently being considered by Congress make no mention of a wall. Mrs. Clinton's previous proposals on illegal immigration, detailed extensively on her Senate web site, also ignored the issue.

The former first lady said she welcomed tougher immigration enforcement against employers who hire illegal immigrants. She blasted a planned pro-illegal immigration work and school boycott set for May 1 as a bad idea.

Mrs. Clinton said she favored a carrot and stick approach - with a plan that would first seal the borders followed a year or two later by a legalization process for the 11 million illegal aliens already here.

The top Democrat told the News that she backs citizenship rather than amnesty for illegal immigrants, as long as it's "earned."

But her new get-tough rhetoric on the border wall angered illegal immigration advocates, who were under the impression she was in their corner.

"To see the senator from New York, which is clearly an immigrant state, take a position that harsh is not the real solution," Gouri Sadhwani, executive director of the New York Civic Participation Project and La Fuente, told the News.

"The flow of undocumented immigrants into our country will not be stopped by putting up a fence along the Mexican border," he added.

Clinton's repositioning on border enforcement moves her significantly to the right of President Bush on the issue - and places her in agreement with conservative 2008 presidential hopeful, Sen. George Allen, who came out for a partial border fence two weeks ago.

Despite her new tough tone, Clinton's record on illegal immigration has been inconsistent over the years.

In 2003, for instance, she proclaimed: "I am adamantly against illegal immigrants," saying the U.S. should consider implementing a national ID card to beef up border enforcement.

But in 2005 she voted against a Senate bill that would have expanded illegal immigration detention centers and funded the hiring of new border patrol agents.

Last month, Clinton condemned a House plan that racheted up penalties against illegals and included the construction of a border fence, saying it would "criminalize even Jesus himself."

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"That would be like clipping the wings off a bird - that would kill many people's dreams of having a better opportunity, future for their families," he said

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Ooooh, ain't that just too bad!!!!

Last time I heard her other face talk, she said Jesus Christ would be deported if he were here now. She sees hopes of a Presidential Nomination fading, so she's jumped under the same umbrella Bush is under. The same old story, we won't allow any more to come, but we must give our transitional guests that are already here a break.

We are blaming Bush, but Clinton looked the other way for 8 years while the stampede across the border went unchecked. But Bush gave them the green light for this current madness.

What about the statement that a fence will kill hopes and dreams of a better life. I must have missed a meeting where Americans became responsible for providing a better life to every Mexican citizen. That's their Government's responsibility and I wish they would take the matter up with them.

But it does sound like Hillary is leaning more to the right on this issue. Hopefully, the pressure is working.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ideas_o ... 7791c.html

Border battler

Hillary wants to build a U.S.-Mexico fence first — and she's right



Apart from a well-chosen warning about criminalizing Jesus, Sen. Hillary Clinton hasn't waded too deeply into the details of the immigration mess. Until now.
In an interview Friday, she cited specific goals that could, and hopefully will, become the heart of bipartisan legislation that might actually fix this national crisis.

A fence or a wall? She's for it.

A two-step process, where our borders are secured before the 11 million illegal immigrants already here begin to get legalized? She's for that, too.

The sudden crackdown by Washington on employers who hire illegal immigrants? She welcomes it.

The work and school boycott advocacy groups are planning for May 1? She's against it.

And she said she favors a "carrot-and-stick" approach with Mexico to provide that government and its "oligarchs" the incentives to give Mexicans more and better jobs in their own country.

"A country that cannot control its borders is failing at one of its fundamental obligations," she said of America's "broken system." She also said that "we do need an earned path to citizenship" for illegal immigrants here.

Because she is effectively embracing both conservative and liberal goals, and because she attaches a caveat to each, she will be accused of Clintonesque parsing and wanting it both ways. She may well be guilty, but, on the basis of two conversations with her, I'm persuaded she believes in both border security and firm, practical measures to deal with those already here.

Most important, her support for a time lag between the two steps, with border security coming first by as much as two years, could be the right mix that breaks the congressional deadlock and solves much of the immigration problem.

"I would not support it if the legislation was just for border security and we had to come back to Congress for everything else," she said. "We need to structure it as one piece of comprehensive legislation, with a staged implementation." For example, she said, the legalization process could begin "12 to 24 months" after border control measures take effect.

As for how to stem the tide of illegal immigrants, "A physical structure is obviously important," she said. "A wall in certain areas would be appropriate," as long as it was not a "dumb wall" that could be scaled or tunneled. Advocating "smart fencing," she added, "There is technology that would be in the fence that could spot people coming from 250 or 300 yards away and signal patrol agents who could respond."

She also talked of using drones and infrared cameras and, when asked, agreed that Israel's anti-terror wall, which she has seen, might help guide the U.S.

When Congress returns tomorrow from its two-week spring break, immigration will be front and center. Clinton, correctly, is suspicious of the timing of the crackdown announced by Homeland Security on Thursday. Seven managers of a Houston-based pallet supply company were arrested and more than 1,100 illegal immigrants were detained in what officials said was a start to aggressive enforcement of employer sanctions.

"It's obviously a political decision, but I welcome it," Clinton said. "We need to send a clear message to employers and anyone else who would exploit immigrants, including smugglers." Lest anyone think she's soft on President Bush, she faulted his administration for being "incompetent and all over the place" on enforcement.

Yet neither is she behind advocates who want an immigrant boycott of school, work and shopping for May 1. "To me, it's not necessary," she said.

Although she attended a New York rally where she had only praise for marchers, who included illegal immigrants, she seemed exasperated at being categorized. "I'm frustrated and I'm in an uncomfortable position," she said. "People often want to put you in an either-or category in American politics. It can be difficult to stay where you are."

Whoa — she might have been talking in cosmic terms there! No matter. On immigration, she has found the right mix. Here's hoping she stays where she is.

Originally published on April 22, 2006

So encourage her to help get the fence built - still wouldn't vote for her.

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So encourage her to help get the fence built - still wouldn't vote for her.

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amen, use her like she uses the voters.

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Hillary is mocking the Minutemen effort - she's trying to put a you-know-what in the punch bowl.
No fence will stop Hillary from increasing the H-1B count or from sending our jobs to her buddies at Tata, or from supporting the latest amnesty bill.

Look at the list of crooks the Clintons pardoned. Add to that list, 22 million illegals Hillary will vote to give amnesty and citizenship to.

http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pardonchartlst.htm

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic ... E_ID=21859
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1184118.stm


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Hillary brought Tata, of Bangalore, India, into upstate NY. Guess where the jobs went.
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I'm so sick of Hillary Clinton, Ted Kennedy and John McCain -- they are an embarassment to this country ...

I doubt if there was ever an Indian Chief that would smoke a peace pipe with Hillary Clinton -- she talks with a forked tongue -- talks out of both sides of her mouth

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Originally Posted by Mamie

I doubt if there was ever an Indian Chief that would smoke a peace pipe with Hillary Clinton -- she talks with a forked tongue -- talks out of both sides of her mouth

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Hi Mamie, mostly true, however there are at least 2 Indians that already have - from Bangalore, India.
The billpayers are thousands of American I.T. workers who sacrificed their jobs to Tata as they were forced to train their replacements from Bang Town, India.

She already has two very powerful buddies who are Indian and Chiefs:

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Subramaniam Ramadorai, Tata CEO
and
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Ratan Tata

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I'm so sick of Hillary Clinton, Ted Kennedy and John McCain -- they are an embarassment to this country ...

I doubt if there was ever an Indian Chief that would smoke a peace pipe with Hillary Clinton -- she talks with a forked tongue -- talks out of both sides of her mouth

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Now on the news yesterday we had Kennedy saying he will back Kerry in the 08 presidential run. So McCain vs Kerry, two who were traders against their fellow vets. My write in will be for porky pig he would be more trust worthy :twisted:

COTO

this is really pathetic -- they have even replaced our American Indians with foreign Indians

I wonder if Clinton, Kerry and McCain will follow the lead of the Mexican presidential candidates that kicked off their campaigns in Los Angelos ....

to get off on the right foot, these three should just kick their campaign's off in Mexico City since the Mexican vote is so important to them, that way the American people can see where their loyalties lie

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These articles, to me, show that Hillary is not good for America. JMO

Hillary
you lie like hell you never said anything about the border until trump said it first
he is the one tell it like it is he want to help the usa . not you or obama or joe
don't come &say we need a wall you lie like hell
I would not vot for you at all . i would vote for sara Palin &gov jan judge jeanine
for sure
& you want a wall that a good one