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    Question Hillary: 'Unborn Person' Doesn't Have Constitutional Rights

    "That is not something that exists..."

    4.4.2016 Sarah Fisher


    On Sunday's Meet the Press, presidential candidate Hillary Clinton asserted that an "unborn person" does not have constitutional rights.

    "Well, under our laws currently, that is not something that exists," Clinton told Chuck Todd.

    "The unborn person doesn't have constitutional rights. Now, that doesn't mean that we don't do everything we possibly can in the vast majority of instances to, you know, help a mother who is carrying a child and wants to make sure that child will be healthy, to have appropriate medical support.

    "It doesn't mean that you don't do everything possible to try to fulfill your obligations. But it does not include sacrificing the woman's right to make decisions," Clinton explained

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    An unborn baby is not yet a person under the Constitution. It's rights and future come through the woman carrying it until it's born. It has to be this way, no other way makes sense, because if her rights aren't first in line, then a fertilized egg, a zygote, a fetus take priority over her, leaving her with no rights at all which results in women being nothing more than the breeding vessels of the Club for Growth who want transactions for business profits instead of citizens for a country.

    This madness about breeding has no end. Look what they do in puppy mills. Think about that same mentality being applied to girls and women. If they can force you under the law into childbirth against your will, they can force you into pregnancy against your will. If the government believes it has the right to interfere in your reproduction, then by all logic and reason, it believes it has the right to control your reproduction and use laws to force you to comply with whatever the government decides it wants you to do.

    Government should have no role in decisions to breed and reproduce or not. There is no inalienable right greater or more important than the right to control your own reproduction.
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    Yes, Judy, you hit on the central point which advocates on both sides try to obfuscate. The key questions that need be debated are:

    1. What rights does a human being in the fetal stage of development have? In particular what rights does it have to the use of its mother's body?

    2. What civil rights does a human being in the fetal stage of development have? What civil rights should it have?

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    It would have none but what the girl or woman carrying it wishes to grant. Upon birth, then it becomes an independent individual with all civil rights. There really is no other way for it to be without denying the girl or woman her rights.
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    The debate seems to revolve around language and its abuse. Calling the contents of a woman's uterus an "unborn child" or "unborn person" starts as political language.

    But we already have words that are necessary to use when describing the contents of a woman's uterus.

    When the woman's egg becomes fertilized by the man's sperm it becomes a zygote.

    The fertilized egg starts to divide and becomes what is known as a blastocyst, this becomes implanted into the lining of the uterus, called the placenta and starts developing into a embryo.

    After about ten weeks the embryo becomes a fetus and it remains a fetus until it is born and becomes a baby or infant.

    The whole process from beginning to end is known as gestation.

    The process that people go through is common to all mammals, including cats, dogs, horses, mice, etc.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pregna...bryo_and_fetus

    As a political discussion the anti-abortionists describe anything from the zygote on to the fetus as an "unborn person".
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