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    House GOP's immigration problem: No path to 60 in Senate

    House GOP's immigration problem: No path to 60 in Senate

    Moderate Senate Democrats and a handful of GOP senators are wary of using the Homeland Security spending bill to thwart Obama’s immigration policies.

    By MANU RAJU and SEUNG MIN KIM
    1/9/15 7:01 PM EST


    House Republicans rolled out an aggressive response to President Barack Obama’s immigration policies on Friday, rallying conservatives hungry for a confrontation between the GOP-led Congress and the White House.

    But a big hurdle stands in their way: the United States Senate.


    Moderate Senate Democrats and a handful of GOP senators are balking at a House plan that would block Obama’s new policy of deferring deportations for millions of undocumented immigrants, along with the administration’s earlier protections for immigrants brought to the country illegally at a young age. While those senators oppose the president’s unilateral moves on immigration, they are wary of linking the issue with a must-pass bill to fund domestic security programs, worried that a stalemate could shut down the Department of Homeland Security.

    The opposition from these key senators makes it almost certain that the plan would fail to gain the 60 votes needed to break a Democratic filibuster, reigniting long-festering tension between the House and the Senate that GOP leaders have been eager to avoid.


    “I think the defunding action leads us to a potential government shutdown scenario, which is a self-inflicted political wound for Republicans,” Sen. Mark Kirk, a moderate Illinois Republican facing reelection in 2016, said in an interview.


    “I don’t want to,” West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin, a Democrat who has opposed Obama’s executive action on immigration, said when asked if he’d back the House’s approach. “I really don’t want to.”


    The comments speak to the sharp limits Republicans still face in advancing a conservative agenda, despite taking control this week of both houses of Congress for the first time since 2006. While they have their biggest House majority in decades, Republicans are still six votes shy of breaking a Senate filibuster — much less the two-thirds majority needed to override a veto.


    The dynamic presents a fresh test for the newly empowered House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.). They must appeal to their conservative base, which is eager to roll back Obama policies over health care, energy and immigration. But lacking votes to enact laws to build the Keystone XL oil pipeline, chip away at Obamacare and roll back the White House immigration order, Republican leaders are trying to find a way to score legislative victories without provoking a government shutdown or a national debt default. In essence, they will have to quickly find a Plan B to move their policies — or move on to issues that could garner White House support.


    “We’ve got to stop negotiating with ourselves here … based on, ‘What will the Senate do?’ and ‘What will the president do?’” said Rep. Lou Barletta (R-Pa.), who has sat in on a series of meetings with leadership this week to determine the legislative strategy on this issue. “We are at a point in time where the American people expect us to do what is right, and that policy to do what is right should not be based on what the Senate may do.”


    Tension between the chambers is hardly a new dynamic. For decades, the fast-moving House — with its rules that allow the majority to rubber-stamp legislation — has long been consistently thwarted by the more deliberative Senate, where the minority has enormous power to derail legislation. With liberals dominating Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid’s (D-Nev.) caucus and a powerful White House veto pen behind them, Republicans are bound to face a recurring dilemma over the next two years: Should they fight mainly to show a contrast with Democrats, or should they compromise and water down legislation that could upset the right?


    The battle over the homeland security funding bill presents Republicans with their first real test.


    “I’m a little leery about it,” Republican Sen. Dean Heller, whose home state of Nevada has an influential Latino voting bloc, said of the House GOP plans. “I just want to make sure those individuals that are affected by that legislation are treated respectfully. I just want to be very, very careful that we do it in the right manner, and we don’t do it in a way that is offensive.”


    On Friday, House Republicans unveiled an immigration plan that moves significantly to the right of what they had considered earlier in the week, which would have solely targeted the executive actions Obama announced in November.


    The new proposal would block Obama’s post-election move, gut a 2012 directive that shielded young undocumented immigrants from being deported and thwart a series of 2011 administration memos meant to limit deportations of people who weren’t criminals or serial immigration violators.


    The House plan also includes measures to toughen enforcement of immigration laws, including by reviving a 2008 program known as Secure Communities, which called on local law enforcement officials to provide federal immigration authorities with fingerprints of people booked into jails. The administration dropped that program as part of its executive actions last November.


    Obama’s latest executive actions could grant nearly 5 million undocumented immigrants a three-year reprieve from deportations and give them accompanying work permits. Democrats and immigrant-rights activists largely supported the moves, but they face legal challenge from two dozen states – led by Texas – that contend the action is unconstitutional. Texas Sens. Ted Cruz and John Cornyn, along with about two dozen other House and Senate conservatives, filed an amicus brief supporting the states’ lawsuit, which a federal district court in Southern Texas will hear next week.


    The GOP measures, slated to come to the House floor next week, are the opening salvo in what could be a weeks-long battle to fund the Department of Homeland Security, which oversees critical national operations in addition to immigration and border enforcement.

    Money for the agency runs through Feb. 27, and the House plans to add the immigration plan as an amendment to the $39.7 billion funding bill.


    Polls show voters take issue with how the immigration changes were enacted – not necessarily the substance. A CNN/ORC poll from late November showed that while 50 percent of voters thought Obama’s immigration moves were “about right,” only 41 percent supported doing so through executive action. About 56 percent said executive action was not the right way to go, something that could put moderate Democrats in a tough spot.


    But so far, the House push isn’t gaining much traction among centrist Senate Democrats.


    “I’m not looking for a political fight,” Sen. Heidi Heitkamp (D-N.D.), who warned last fall that Obama’s executive actions would “poison” prospects for compromise, said in an e-mailed statement. “I’m looking to solve a problem.”


    Sen. Angus King (I-Maine), who caucuses with Democrats and has sharply criticized executive action, poured cold water when asked about the House proposal to block the policies through the appropriations process.


    “I don’t think it’s a good idea,” King said in an interview.


    Sen. Jon Tester (D-Mont.) said he would oppose the House plan “unless they’ve got a solution that will fix” the immigration system.

    Speaking to reporters this week, McConnell made clear that the fight over immigration would not jeopardize funding for Homeland Security.

    “At the end of the day, we’re going to fund the department,” McConnell said.


    Republican leaders know full well the challenges of enacting their conservative policies. They are intentionally starting the process early so they can potentially modify their immigration proposals to find enough votes to secure passage and fund the department.


    “I suspect there will be several, probably, iterations of it before it’s all said and done,” said South Dakota Sen. John Thune, the No. 3 Republican. “But we’ll see. Maybe we find the sweet spot that addresses the issues as we see it and something that the president feels like he needs to sign.”


    But if Republicans give in and pass a clean funding bill that doesn’t stop the immigration actions, they are bound to upset many on the right — especially after GOP leaders urged conservatives to hold their fire on a spending fight in the lame-duck session of the last Congress. Back then, they argued they would have more power to fight Obama in the new GOP-controlled Capitol early this year.

    “We don’t want to get in the position of negotiating against ourselves and saying Senate’s gonna do this, Senate’s gonna do that,” said Rep. Robert Aderholt (R-Ala.), who wrote much of the legislation overriding Obama on immigration. “We’ll work the will of the House here.”

    Maine Sen. Susan Collins, the moderate who once served as the top Republican on the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, said that while she opposed the president’s immigration moves, “my inclination is that we should challenge it in court on constitutional grounds. But I’ll take a look at what’s been done.”


    But Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a long-time supporter of a comprehensive immigration bill who has also criticized the executive action, seemed ready to fight the Obama plan through the funding process.


    “It may not be too bad to shut down a small portion of the government, depending on what you’re shutting down,” he said, referring to “non-essential” services.


    He quickly added this when asked about a GOP Plan B: “It has not jelled yet.”


    Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/0...#ixzz3ORSaxPRO
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    This article is from Politico, an oftentimes one sided publication.
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    When will we quit being made fools of by the GOP? So,me more of kicking the can down the road just like in Dec. they would not do anything because we will have a larger majority in the new year. These phony representatives have been doing tis for 29 years and they will not stoop doing it as long as we don't stop voting for them or otherwise challenge them. What is it that causes Americans to accept being treated as fools? Never mind, no one can answer that!
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    Moderate Senate Democrats and a handful of GOP senators are balking at a House plan that would block Obama’s new policy of deferring deportations for millions of undocumented immigrants, along with the administration’s earlier protections for immigrants brought to the country illegally at a young age.
    I see this plan as a problem because I don't think the time is right to attack what Obama has already done on temporarily legalizing the folks that came here illegally as children. Let stick with what it would take to stop Obama in his tracks where the legalization of 5 million illegals is concerned. By including Obama's program for temporarily legalizing those that came here as children, the Republicans are making it impossible to get a bill through the Senate. Of course I have to ask myself, is it actually Boehner's plan not to get a bill through the Senate? While unlikely, it may be possible to get the 6 Democrat votes we need if we stay away from the illegal alien kid thing because there might be 6 Democrats that agree that Obama went too far with his Amnesty by Executive Order. The amnesty for illegal alien kid fight is something that can be attacked tomorrow, but today we need to concentrate on halting Obama's plan to legalize another 5+ million illegals!

    Does what I'm saying make any sense to anyone or is my train (thoughts) running on the wrong track?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MW View Post
    . . . The amnesty for illegal alien kid fight is something that can be attacked tomorrow . . .

    Does what I'm saying make any sense to anyone or is my train (thoughts) running on the wrong track?
    Any time, any place is a good time for a fight against amnesty for any illegal alien.

    Tomorrow. New place, new time NEW FIGHT.

    THIS FIGHT HAS TO BE FOUGHT ALL DAY EVERY DAY.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDoe2 View Post
    Any time, any place is a good time for a fight against amnesty for any illegal alien.

    Tomorrow. New place, new time NEW FIGHT.

    THIS FIGHT HAS TO BE FOUGHT ALL DAY EVERY DAY.
    I think you're missing my point. Like I said, I'm not sure Boehner's intentions are sincere. I say this because I think he is reaching too far in an attempt to make it easier for the bill to be voted down in the Senate. Hmmm, guess you disagree with me on this. What I'm suggesting may not be easy for some to understand but it makes sense to me.

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    ACTION ALERT

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    Congress to vote on defund amendments this week -- Urge your U.S. Representative to vote yes
    Dear activists,
    We're expecting votes on two separate amendments in the House of Representatives later this week that would take the crucial first step in defunding Pres. Obama's executive actions on immigration.

    Reps. Robert Adertholt (R-Ala.), Mick Mulvaney (R-S.C.), Lou Barletta (R-Penn.), and Marsha Blackburn have offered amendments to the must-pass DHS spending bill that would:


    • Defund implementation of all Obama and DHS November 2014 memoranda
    • Defund the processing of applications and renewals of Obama's 2012 Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program
    • Defund 4 of the 5 Morton Memos that deal with prosecutorial discretion and detail who ICE agents can and can't deport
    • Prohibit federal benefits from being given to any illegal alien covered by the November memoranda

    1) CALL REPRESENTATIVE DAVIS
    You can call by dialing the Capitol Switchboard at 888-995-2086, and use the following talking point when connected to Representative Davis's office.
    I urge you to vote YES on both the Aderholt and Blackburn amendments to the DHS spending bills. These important amendments would defund Pres. Obama's November executive amnesties and his 2012 DACA amnesty. These votes are the first step to ending this use of executive overreach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MW View Post
    I see this plan as a problem because I don't think the time is right to attack what Obama has already done on temporarily legalizing the folks that came here illegally as children. Let stick with what it would take to stop Obama in his tracks where the legalization of 5 million illegals is concerned. By including Obama's program for temporarily legalizing those that came here as children, the Republicans are making it impossible to get a bill through the Senate. Of course I have to ask myself, is it actually Boehner's plan not to get a bill through the Senate? While unlikely, it may be possible to get the 6 Democrat votes we need if we stay away from the illegal alien kid thing because there might be 6 Democrats that agree that Obama went too far with his Amnesty by Executive Order. The amnesty for illegal alien kid fight is something that can be attacked tomorrow, but today we need to concentrate on halting Obama's plan to legalize another 5+ million illegals!

    Does what I'm saying make any sense to anyone or is my train (thoughts) running on the wrong track?
    I understand what you're saying, but it's all the same thing. It's an executive amnesty whether they're children or not. And what is the age of these "children" under DACA? Came here before they were 16? How old to apply? It was 31 but now there's no limit. These are not children. These are illegal aliens most of them grown adults by now. There's over 1.8 million of them if you believe the government so we know the number is much higher than that. It's probably 20 to 25% of the entire illegal alien population in this country and it has to stop.

    The only way to stop it is not allow it. If we oppose executive amnesty, then we have to oppose all of it, right? How can we go forward with a forked tongue that some 30 year old illegal alien who claims they came here when he/she was old enough to have sex and drive and to stand trial for murder and a death sentence was too young to know they were violating US immigration law when they came here sneaking through the desert, stuffed into the dash of a car, covered up on a truck, or riding the train top? What if every American under the age of 17 claimed they didn't know their crimes were wrong, because of their age? Our juvenile detention centers are full of Americans who could make the same claim. These people knew they were breaking the law, they knew by the way it happened, they knew from listening to their parents, they've known all along they are immigration criminals.

    And what about all the lies they've told and ruses they've been a part of every day since they were here? This whole notion "through no fault of their own" is a totally deceptive ruse to tug at the hearts and good will of the American People when we think with our dunce caps on. None of this is our fault. It's their fault, only theirs. And when it boils down, most of their tales are just that, tall tales, fabricated stories, presented in ways and manners that no one here can verify as true or not, and most of it is fiction with no or very little truth to it.

    There is no "innocence" involved with illegal immigration. It's a scheme, it's filled with plot after plot, crime after crime, and oh my God, the best acting jobs by any criminal group ever, they should all be given an Academy Award Statue and put on the first bus out of here. These are wiley people, which is why they rely on coyotes to haul their asses in here. These are not people looking for a better life, they can all find those in their own countries, these are mostly agents of drug cartels who arrange the money to finance their trips here, the rest is paid by their governments. We can not tolerate any of this, we can not let such a precedent of lawless foolishness prevail, we have to hard-line this thing, all the way with no exceptions, no mercy, no emotions, a simple: you're here illegally and now you're out of here.

    The solution is very simple, and the only right thing to do. Think of our country as a home, what American would hand over their home to anyone simply because someone wants it? Who would hand over their job to a foreigner simply because the foreigner wants it? There is no more serious action needed than to stop this nonsense once and for all and it must be by stopping it 100% with no exceptions and no mercy. Obama went too far on all of it, DACA and his Executive Amnesty. No American should have to pay a dime to support even 1 minute of 1 day of an illegal alien in the US, not with taxes, not with debt, not with charity, not with wages, not with businesses and not with jobs.

    That means it all has to stop and that means they all have to go home.

    Think back to the recession when Americans were losing their homes because they lost their jobs. All new job growth has gone to illegal aliens and immigrants. Was there any sympathy anywhere for the Americans? For their children? Very little that I read about. The story line was always the same, they couldn't make their payments, so they rightfully lost their house and became homeless or went to live in the projects or with relatives. And why did that happen? Because all the new jobs that were created went to the wrong people, illegal aliens and immigrants, instead of to unemployed and underemployed Americans. There is a terrible horrific price Americans have paid for this lawless nonsense, and who can or will ever make that right?

    No, it all has to stop and if this Republican Senate can't negotiate the additional votes it needs to shut it down, then throw their useless asses out next election and replace them with people who have a better skill set. We are not interested in excuses and the blame game, any GOP Republican who doesn't realize that Democrats need their jobs and homes back the same as Republicans, needs to resign, go home and turn the seat over to someone who can drive the points home with their colleagues, command the votes to defeat all amnesty and put an end to this insanity.
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    The House voted 237-190 on legislation to fund the Homeland Security Department
    through the rest of the budget year to the tune of $40 billion. But as part of that legislation, Republicans approved provisions to gut the president's immigration directives.


    One amendment would undo executive actions Obama announced in November that provided temporary deportation relief, and offer work permits, to some 4 million illegal immigrants. Another amendment would cancel Obama's 2012 policy that's granted work permits and stays of deportation to more than 600,000 immigrants who arrived in the U.S. illegally as kids. . .

    http://www.alipac.us/f9/house-votes-...senate-316795/
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