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    How Trump has already put the breaks on illegal immigration

    By Jonathan S. Tobin March 13, 2017 | 5:44pm



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    After a first few weeks best remembered for accusations about intrigue with Russia, gobsmacking presidential tweets about President Barack Obama and West Wing palace intrigue, the general impression is that the Trump administration has accomplished little but generate controversy.

    But what just happened at the southern border is a success — and it’s solely the work of President Trump.

    Though it received relatively little attention, a report from US Customs and Border Protection that noted a 40 percent decline in apprehensions of people illegally crossing into the country from Mexico shouldn’t be ignored. It was the lowest number in February in five years.

    More important, it was the first time since the feds starting keeping these numbers in 2000 that there was a decrease in those caught in February.

    What could account for such a marked decline? The answer is obvious. Mexicans and other Central Americans who seek to enter the United States illegally are aware of the election results. The inauguration of the man who not only said he would beef up border security while building a wall but also vowed to deport illegal immigrants in greater numbers than ever before was noted by potential migrants.

    Rather than face the dangers of an already perilous venture with an even worse chance of being able to stay, it appears many decided not to try.

    This is more than just speculation derived from statistics. The New York Times reported that interviews with those in shelters just across the border revealed many would-be migrants have decided sneaking into the United States isn’t worth the gamble, and “100 percent” say the reason is Trump.

    Many Central Americans there are either going back home or have surrendered to Mexican authorities. The same tale is told at shelters for illegal immigrants inside the United States that are usually full but now sit relatively empty.

    American politicians have been trying to deter illegal immigration for decades. But, aside from downturns in the US economy, nothing has worked as well as Trump’s harsh talk about a wall and deportations.

    This should teach both Trump and his critics some important lessons.

    Trump was scorned for what many considered, not without reason, absurd chest-thumping about a wall that Mexico will never pay for and for promoting the fantastical notion that 11 million people could be rounded up. But it’s time for even those who deplored his stands to admit they had a salutary impact on those who illegally immigrate into the United States.

    For decades, migrants have continued to come here secure in the notion that they have a fair chance of evading border security and that, once inside the country, the odds favor their being able to stay. They were provided further incentive when, in recent years, Obama and even some Republicans championed plans that would, in one form or another, grant them legal status.

    But Trump’s belligerent rhetoric changed all that. It doesn’t matter that it’s entirely possible that he might eventually change his mind about all of this and perhaps even grant legal status to the so-called Dreamers who came here as children. What matters is that the world knows Americans elected a president who thinks immigration is a priority issue and that he’s prepared to take action to stem the flow of illegal immigrants.

    Even if you disagree about whether their presence is a problem, you have to admit his words have done more to stop illegal immigration than that of any of his predecessors.

    But there’s also a lesson here for the president.

    Trump may think he can tweet with impunity and, as with his assertion that Obama specifically ordered the wiretapping of Trump Tower, then try to ignore the furor he created once his charge is debunked. He may have even conditioned us to automatically assume what he says is always for momentary political advantage or entertainment value rather than the truth.

    Trump will never act in the way presidents are traditionally supposed to behave, but those migrants voting with their feet should teach him the immense power of his words.

    If he can learn to focus that power on his objectives rather than giving his enemies ammunition and wasting so much of it on foolish grudges and venting spleen at critics, he might achieve more successes like the one at the border.

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    It doesn’t matter that it’s entirely possible that he might eventually change his mind about all of this and perhaps even grant legal status to the so-called Dreamers who came here as children.
    Giving amnesty to any illegal certainly matters to me!

    Keep your promise, Mr. President, end DACA now!

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    If he can learn to focus that power on his objectives rather than giving his enemies ammunition and wasting so much of it on foolish grudges and venting spleen at critics, he might achieve more successes like the one at the border.
    It seems to me that people need to do more watching and learning from Trump and less telling him what he needs to do.

    Trump's got this, in a way no one else ever has, a way that works. There's an ole saying, if it ain't broke, don't fix it, well Trump ain't broke and he doesn't need fixing.

    It's like the CBO report today on the GOP health care plan, on the one-hand claiming it reduces our debt by $337 billion over 10 years, while claiming 24 million more uninsured during the same period, because they didn't take into the account the new jobs, higher earnings, and employer benefit plans including health insurance. They also didn't take into account Trump's "mass deportation" of illegal aliens or his support for a bill in Congress that reduces legal immigration by 50%. So even the CBO can't keep up with Trump. That's why Trump didn't even waste time projecting on the GOP health care bill. He already knows there will far less uninsured, not more, and he's expecting that debt reduction to be a lot bigger than $337 billion over 10 years.

    Trump's ahead of the curve here. Trump's got this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    It seems to me that people need to do more watching and learning from Trump and less telling him what he needs to do.

    Trump's got this, in a way no one else ever has, a way that works. There's an ole saying, if it ain't broke, don't fix it, well Trump ain't broke and he doesn't need fixing.

    It's like the CBO report today on the GOP health care plan, on the one-hand claiming it reduces our debt by $337 billion over 10 years, while claiming 24 million more uninsured during the same period, because they didn't take into the account the new jobs, higher earnings, and employer benefit plans including health insurance. They also didn't take into account Trump's "mass deportation" of illegal aliens or his support for a bill in Congress that reduces legal immigration by 50%. So even the CBO can't keep up with Trump. That's why Trump didn't even waste time projecting on the GOP health care bill. He already knows there will far less uninsured, not more, and he's expecting that debt reduction to be a lot bigger than $337 billion over 10 years.

    Trump's ahead of the curve here. Trump's got this.
    Keep your promise, Mr. President, end DACA now!

    Trump's ahead of the curve here. Trump's got this.
    He's certainly not ahead of any curve on the DACA amnesty. Each day he delays canceling the program, illegals are renewing or submitting new applications. This is a program he himself has called unconstitutional and promised to cancel on day one of his presidency. All we're asking him to do is keep his promise to us.

    All this talk of "heart" and "they have nothing to fear" is very telling for anyone that cares to listen.





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    DACA doesn't prevent their deportation. It doesn't even prevent rapid deportation when they fall into one of the target groups as most of them do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    DACA doesn't prevent their deportation. It doesn't even prevent rapid deportation when they fall into one of the target groups as most of them do.
    Keep telling yourself that if you choose. DACA does protect the illegals signed-up and in good standing in the program.

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    It really doesn't. You'll figure that out soon enough.
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    I hope he can work it out.

    The fact is, he is the only chance we have, we do have to remember that.

    I don't agree with some of his ideas - school vouchers being one, but if he can fix the illegal immigration problem, we will be way down the road to saving this country.

    If he doesn't, we have lost our country - that is long and short of it.

    Sometimes I cringe when I hear him speak - at least during the campaign. The fact is, though, if he hadn't been so bombastic no one would have listened.

    That's the reason we need to begin some actions on our own.

    We need to stop feeding the beast that is devouring us.

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    Trump's going to fix it to the degree one person can, way beyond most of our reasonable expectations. Can he do it all? I don't know, what I do know is he'll do as much as any person in his position can do. He's going to fix illegal immigration, he's going to fix our bad trade deals, he's going to do something that fixes this health insurance mess for a few, and he's going to fix some parts of our inner cities, bring our good jobs back, raise wages, increase investment, improve our infrastructure, upgrade our military, reduce regulations, improve education results, reduce the cost of government, tighten the belt, drain the swamp and try to fix Iran, North Korea, Syria, Palestine/Israel and improve relations with Russia. He's also going to have tax reform and build the wall.

    There's a lot more, but I swear I can't keep up with all he's doing. He's like a whirlwind. I've never seen anyone work as hard on so many things as Donald Trump, big things, huge things, monumental things. Oh yeah, and reduce the debt. His health care plan with the "GOP" sucks CBO says, but then adds a little note that says it reduces the national debt by $337 billion over 10 years. OH! Well, howdy!! I'll take that alone over what we've got now if that's all it did.

    I'm looking for progress of any kind from any direction on anything. When I look at what Trump is doing, is progress of many kinds in all directions on everything.
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