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    Illegal Immigrants And Crime (More Liberal Spin)

    ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS AND CRIME
    Sunday, June 01, 2008
    SUSHEELA JAYAPAL

    In his op-ed last Sunday ("Enable state's officers to aid federal enforcement efforts"), Richard LaMountain urged support for a proposed ballot measure beguilingly titled the Respect for Law Act. Among other things, this measure would repeal current Oregon law that prohibits using state law enforcement resources for activities focused solely on enforcing federal immigration law.

    To make his case, LaMountain cites an array of statistics that purport to show that we're facing a tidal wave of crime committed by illegal immigrants. Therefore, he argues, local police should make the enforcement of immigration law part of their job. Police departments and organizations (including the Major Cities Chiefs Association, comprising the police chiefs of the 64 largest cities in the country) have strongly opposed measures such as this one, and for good reason.

    First, they are unnecessary: Even assuming LaMountain's statistics are correct, local law enforcement agencies already have the authority and the tools to fight crime. Second, requiring local police to enforce immigration law would seriously erode public safety, not improve it. It would divert resources away from traditional police responsibilities, and it would destroy the relationships that urban police departments have built with their immigrant communities, deterring those communities from reporting crime or cooperating with police.

    As for those statistics: They're either unsubstantiated or so taken out of context as to have been wrenched from any mooring in the truth.

    Take, for example, the claim that illegal immigrants driving drunk kill 13 Americans a day. This claim is apparently based on another statistic frequently cited by U.S. Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa, and other anti-immigrant zealots -- that 28 percent of all prison and jail inmates in the country are illegal immigrants. This percentage is applied to a federal count of the number of alcohol-related accidents reported in 2004, yielding 13 such accidents a day.

    The problem is, that 28 percent number is just plain wrong. In 2005, the Bureau of Justice Statistics reported that fewer than 7 percent of inmates in federal, state and local prisons and jails were immigrants of any kind, legal or illegal. So that estimate of the number of people killed by drunken illegal immigrants? Also wrong.

    One more example: LaMountain cites The Oregonian as reporting last summer that 1,000 of Oregon's prisoners were foreigners. That's true. He neglects to mention, however, that the article in question actually contradicts his position: The headline is "Illegal immigrants aren't filling local jails" (Aug. 19, 2007), and the general thrust of the piece is that crime rates for illegal immigrants "are on a par with the general population."

    Respect for the law is founded on respect for the truth. LaMountain's argument in support of the Respect for Law Act is based not on truth, but on rank fear-mongering -- and as such, it deserves no respect.

    Susheela Jayapal is a community volunteer and a self-described recovering lawyer. She lives in Northeast Portland.

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    I think that arguing against the illegal aliens on the basis of their crime is a mistake. They are the victims of crime commited by other people as often as they commit crime. I would rather question their being here in the first place.


    This is like arguing that a girl is equally involved in a fight with a boy that breaks out in a womens bathroom. The girl might be just as guilty in an altercation but she at least has a legitimate reason for being there.
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    Reply letter sent to the Oregonian newspaper:

    The Oregonian
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    Dear Mr. Caldwell:

    Please pass this e-mail onto SUSHEELA JAYAPAL since there is no contact information associated with his op-ed piece, "Illegal immigrants and Crime".

    If the illegality of illegal immigration and the tremendous cost burden to American taxpayers, our economy, our society and our culture doesn’t infuriate you, then look over just a few studies that put illegal alien crime in focus:

    (1) Violating the immigration law is a CRIME
    (2) Forging documents is a FELONY CRIME
    (3) Passing forged documents is a FELONY CRIME
    (4) Stealing ID is a FELONY CRIME
    (5) Using stolen ID is a FELONY CRIME

    A US GAO study found in a study population of 55,322 illegal aliens incarcerated, on average, each had been arrested 8 times for a total arrest figure of at least 459,614 times. If that isn't astounding enough, these 55,322 illegals in the study population had been arrested for committing 700,000 criminal offenses, which averages 13 crimes per illegal alien. So, each illegal alien incarcerated had been arrested 8 times and had committed at least 13 crimes.

    According to the U.S. Bureau of Prisons, in 2005, 25% of prisoners in federal prisons were illegal aliens, and 4% were legal aliens. This proportion has not gone down; if anything, it has gone up markedly. Tom DeWeese, President of the American Policy Institute states that today, illegal aliens make up twenty nine percent of the U.S. prison population. Bill O'Reilly is on record more recently stating that illegal aliens account for 32% of the federal and state prison population.

    The US Justice Department reported that in 2003, alone, 270,000 illegal immigrants had served prison time. The Federation for American Immigration Reform reports: "In March 2000, Congress made public Department of Justice statistics showing that, over the previous five years, the INS had released over 35,000 criminal aliens instead of deporting them. Over 11,000 of those released went on to commit serious crimes, over 1,800 of which were violent ones; including 98 homicides, 142 sexual assaults, and 44 kidnappings. In 2001, thanks to a decision by the Supreme Court, the INS was forced to release into our society over 3,000 criminal aliens who collectively had been convicted of 125 homicides, 387 sex offenses, and 772 assault charges." http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006 ... shtml?s=ic

    According to the well-respected U.S. Center for Immigration Studies (www.cis.org), incarcerated convicted illegal aliens make up 29 percent of federal, state and local prisons at a cost of more than $1.6 billion annually. This number doubles when the costs for apprehension, the justice system, public defenders, interpreters, prosecutors and the courts add to the total.

    Illegals represent about 8 percent of Arizona's population and the Arizona Department of Corrections reports that Mexican nationals make up 12 percent of the state's 37,200-inmate prison population.

    Undocumented aliens, mostly from Mexico and Central America, now total 1953 inmates in the Maricopa County Sheriff’s jail system. That number represents 21 percent of the overall inmate population of men and women housed in the nation’s third largest jail system. Sheriff Joe Arpaio says that is just small part of the story about those incarcerated in his jails. He says that recent figures show that serious crime (class four felonies and above) are committed substantially by illegal aliens. During two recent surveys, between 27 and 53 percent of all suspects booked into the jail on serious felonies had immigration holds placed on them. The vast majority of those with holds were in the United States illegally. According to the Sheriff’s figures, illegal alien inmate population numbers have grown steadily in Arizona and other border states over the last several years. In March 2005, the illegal alien population in Arpaio’s jails totaled approximately 700. (Borderfire Report 2/28/08 )

    A new study shows one in five inmates in North Carolina metropolitan jails were not born in this country. The Sheriff’s Association believes a large number of those inmates are here illegally as well. (News 14 Carolina 2/21/08 )

    Members of Utah’s Congressional delegation contacted DHS Secretary Chertoff requesting an additional 22 ICE agents for deportations and to investigate crimes perpetrated by undocumented immigrants. "Our jails are full. The crime rates continue to increase, and we can no longer let this problem escalate," reads one of the letters, signed by Utah's two senators and three representatives. Numerous illegal aliens are committing crimes in Utah communities with virtual impunity," The state now has 25 such agents. (Salt Lake Tribune, 03/05/2008 )

    The conservative Federation for Immigration Reform contends that while illegal immigrants made up 3 percent of the total U.S. population in 2003 they made up 5 percent of the total prison population.

    The Violent Crimes Institute conducted a study in 2006 that determined there were more than 100 sex offenders crossing our southern border daily. Data indicates that there are approximately 240,000 illegal immigrant sex offenders in the United States who have had an average of four victims each, totaling over one million sex crimes.

    Illegal aliens are killing more Americans than the Iraq war, says a report from Family Security Matters that estimates some 2,158 murders are committed every year by illegal aliens in the U.S. The group says that number is more than 15 percent of all the murders reported by the Federal Bureau of Investigation in the U.S. and about three times the representation of illegal aliens in the general population.

    The report from FSM estimates that the 267,000 illegal aliens currently incarcerated in the nation are responsible for nearly 1,300,000 crimes, ranging from drug arrests to rape and murder. Such statistics debunk the claim that illegal immigration is a victimless crime. http://www.gopusa.com/news/2007/februar ... port.shtml

    Crimes committed by alien criminals costs U.S. taxpayers $1.6 billion in prison costs alone. The figure doesn’t include the cost of lost property, medical bills of the victims, lost work time for injury recovery, higher insurance costs, etc. –Tom DeWeese, President of American Policy Institute.

    In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens. The Illegal-Alien Crime Wave: City Journal, winter 2004 http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_1_t ... alien.html

    One thing that is never even mentioned by the champions of the illegal aliens nor is factored into any crime studies is the fact that ALL illegal aliens have a 3 – 5 crimes committed head start on American citizens (see the 5 point list above).

    Do you ever hear an acknowledgement from the illegal alien facilitators of the more than 50,000 Americans that have been killed by illegal aliens through murder, manslaughter and drunk driving just since 9/11/01? Of course not, that doesn't fit within their pre-determined conclusion that illegals are only hard working economically displaced ‘migrants’ that regardless of the laws they break by entering, remaining and operating in America, are only here for a better life at the expense of no one. Excuse me for being cynical but I’ve seen the data, read the studies, considered the facts and seen the reality. If you haven’t done the same, I urge you to do so without delay.

    Furthermore, legalizing an illegal alien’s presence in America by rewarding their illegal behavior through amnesty is not the way to build a good system of law and order. It only invites more criminal activity and non-compliance with our laws.

    The central question for everyone, including the facilitators, illegal alien advocates, the ‘no human being is illegal’ compassion crowd, every legislator and RESPONSIBLE MEDIA REPORTERS is this…Why should even ONE American suffer a crime OF ANY SORT at the hands of an illegal alien? With border security and zero tolerance for illegal immigration, these crimes against our citizens are essentially 100% preventable.

    I urge you to view this video that puts the tragedy of illegal alien crime victims into perspective: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpomTIkv ... 08&index=3

    Isn’t it about time that we engage in Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement rather than allow amnesty with Comprehensive Immigration Reform?

    Sincerely,
    xxxxx/American Citizen
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    I think Jayapal should explain why it is better to spend taxpayers money to clean up the mess---such as by incarcerating drug dealers to the tune of millions per year---than prevent it in the first place. Many small county law enforcement departments are struglling to cope, financially, with the wave of crime surrounding illegal aliens.

    Multi-Agency Probe Nets Drugs, Money and Guns - 7 Arrested
    March 22, 2007

    Police agencies in five counties worked together to break into a major drug distribution ring from Mexico supplying northwest Oregon and southwest Washington. The five-month-long investigation led to raids on three residences in Astoria, Oregon, this morning that netted nearly 2 pounds of meth and rock cocaine, valued on the street at $44,000, plus $16,800 cash, 10 guns, including an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle, and seven arrests.

    Pacific County Sheriff John Didion and Clatsop County Sheriff Tom Bergin attributed the success of the ongoing investigation to the cooperation of police agencies in Columbia and Clatsop counties in Oregon and Washington’s Cowlitz, Wahkiakum and Pacific counties. The investigation started in October with information developed by the Wahkiakum County Sheriff’s Office and the Pacific County Narcotics Enforcement Team.

    Clatsop County Inter-agency Narcotics Team, Wahkiakum County Sheriff's Office and Pacific County Narcotics Enforcement Team worked side by side to track the suspects’ alleged drug trafficking. The suspects live in Astoria and sold drugs to police in Pacific County through controlled buys. With the evidence from the joint investigation, search warrants were obtained for three residences -- two apartments at 1005 Exchange St. and one at 411 Bond St. in Astoria -- and for four vehicles.

    Sixteen officers from the Clatsop Sheriff’s Office, Oregon State Police and Astoria, Warrenton and Seaside police departments hit the three residences shortly after 7 a.m. The drugs, money and guns were all found inside the residences; police also seized three vehicles. Authorities believe most of the guns, which were new, were headed to Mexico, as was the money.

    The drugs, mostly meth, were packaged ready for delivery. The cocaine was wrapped in pieces that sold for $100 each. The meth was divided into cellophane-wrapped balls in various sizes from a quarter-ounce at $240 to a full ounce sold for $1,000.

    Neighbors expressed surprise at the drug trafficking that had been occurring just next door, Bergin said. As officers sorted the evidence later at the sheriff’s office, cell phones confiscated from the suspects were ringing with calls from their contacts. Some of the suspects had distributed drugs to residences in Columbia, Clatsop and Pacific counties.

    [b]Today’s raids made a temporary dent into the drug trafficking in this area, Bergin said. “The narcotics trade is a well-organized industry sapping thousands of dollars out of the United States and into the hands of Mexican drug lords.â€
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    Dang zeezil you're good. Thanks. Copying and printing for a future meeting with those who don't get it. I'll be kind and give them this information.

    I remember reading somewhere, I think on Alipac, that 25 people a day are killed by illegal aliens. Then I thought I read it was 19. Do you remember where that information came from? What source?
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    Richard, not sure why you think focusing on the crimes committed by IA's is a mistake? Committing a crime is an active disregard for the law, be it unwittingly or otherwise. However, ignorance of the law is no excuse. IMO, most of the crimes committed by IA's are value judgments, ie; they are committed because the action is within the value system of the IA who deliberately took the action. They see the crime as justifiable as a means to an end. A country can't survive without a value system that protects the entirety of it's citizens.

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    I think that arguing against the illegal aliens on the basis of their crime is a mistake. They are the victims of crime commited by other people as often as they commit crime. I would rather question their being here in the first place.


    This is like arguing that a girl is equally involved in a fight with a boy that breaks out in a womens bathroom. The girl might be just as guilty in an altercation but she at least has a legitimate reason for being there.
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    Richard, not sure why you think focusing on the crimes committed by IA's is a mistake? Committing a crime is an active disregard for the law, be it unwittingly or otherwise
    I agree. It is their mental attitude about respect for the law and from what I see where I live.......it's a general disregard for any of them and getting worse all the time. Not to mention many are more concerned about keeping their "culture" alive, being the "majority", than being able to live in peace with others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gogo
    Dang zeezil you're good. Thanks. Copying and printing for a future meeting with those who don't get it. I'll be kind and give them this information.

    I remember reading somewhere, I think on Alipac, that 25 people a day are killed by illegal aliens. Then I thought I read it was 19. Do you remember where that information came from? What source?
    25 Americans Are Killed by Illegal Aliens Daily
    By Joseph Farah
    © 2008 WorldNetDaily.com
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    Though no federal statistics are kept on murders or any other crimes committed by illegal aliens, a number of groups have produced estimates based on data collected from prisons, news reports and independent research.
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    Twelve Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens, according to statistics released by Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa. If those numbers are correct, it translates to 4,380 Americans murdered annually by illegal aliens. That’s 21,900 since Sept. 11, 2001.
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    While King reports 12 Americans are murdered daily by illegal aliens, he says 13 are killed by drunk illegal alien drivers – for another annual death toll of 4,745. That’s 23,725 since Sept. 11, 2001.
    While no one – in or out of government – tracks all U.S. accidents caused by illegal aliens, the statistical and anecdotal evidence suggests many of last year’s 42,636 road deaths involved illegal aliens.
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    A report by the AAA Foundation for Traffic Study found 20 percent of fatal accidents involve at least one driver who lacks a valid license. In California, another study showed that those who have never held a valid license are about five times more likely to be involved in a fatal road accident than licensed drivers.

    Statistically, that makes them an even greater danger on the road than drivers whose licenses have been suspended or revoked – and nearly as dangerous as drunk drivers.

    King also reports eight American children are victims of sexual abuse by illegal aliens every day – a total of 2,920 annually.
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    Thanks zeezil.

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    OOPS I just noticed this is in General Discussion. I thought I posted in News. Sorry. Can a moderator move it. Thanks
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