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    Illegals at our local army base??

    Hello all. I haven't posted in a long time; for the most part do to computer(opperator) issues. I have however been on here staying updated on the issues and I am glad to see that common America is starting to get it's voice back so to speak.

    There are some negative things happening locally. In a comunity where illegal immigration has never been a problem, we are now starting to see the numbers, and signs grow rapidly. You know, it really doesn't take long for these groups to grow. In the last six months I have been seeing buildings and billboards getting tagged. I see "alleged" illegals wandering the streets at all hours. And a trip to Wal-Mart (It's a small town) is now like a trip to Mexico.

    I contract at Ft. Polk. It is a local Army base. One thing that is really bothering me is that there is an out of state lawn company that has brought in alot of latinos. Now I know that being latino doesn't make someone an illegal alien, but none of these guys speak english. The company is Munie. They are based out of Illinois. I know that these guys were checked out, but I really aint buying that they are legal residents. I see these workers roaming housing, cutting the grass, and every time I see a kid playing I worry about their safety. I'm sorry, but I think we can all agree that alot of these people child molesters. It would be very sad to have an incident where one of our soldier's children became a victim and it would all be for the small ammount of money that was saved on fair labor costs.

    I am just wondering if any of yall have any ideas that may help at least bring this issue to the army's att. Would it be crying wolf to report this company to ICE or another thing I was gonna do was make some flyers and post them in housing just asking if anyone else has noticed and has a problem with possible illegal immigrants being able to be on a military base? I may be wrong and they may in fact be legal immigrants. But I would think that if they were, they would at least speak some english. I would appreciate a little outside feedback. I think we all owe it to those that are abroad protecting our freedom to keep an eye on their loved ones while they are away. Thanks, Johnny

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    On a Military Base? Holy cow. How do you know they are not terrorists. Terrorists are Hispanic too and they are so corrupt that someone can pay them to plant a bomb. Who can be called about this?
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    Try to find out why an out of state company was brought in to begin with. If possible. (I guess they won the contract, perhaps?)

    Yes, report them to ICE, but make sure you get as much info on them as you can, including names, addresses, phone numbers, web site address if applicable, etc. If they have a website, see if they have references, and call the references. Might be worth a shot.

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    I agree that this is not a good situation. The Homeland security shoud be interested in this situation. It's not crying wolf, in my opinion. You have legitimate concerns about the safety of soldier's families. It's great that you are looking out for them and don't let any fear of being politically incorrect stop you from reporting.

    Ostrich's advice is wise. Get all the information you can about the company before you make your reports. Your idea about flyers is also good. There is high possibility of attacks this summer. It is just these innocent-looking situations that are setting us all up if we don't ask the hard questions and ignore "political correctness".
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    They busted some illegals running heavy equipment last year
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    contract at Ft. Polk. It is a local Army base. One thing that is really bothering me is that there is an out of state lawn company that has brought in alot of latinos. Now I know that being latino doesn't make someone an illegal alien, but none of these guys speak english.
    I would suggest that you notify the Base Commander or the someone in the military lawyers office on base. There are not supposed to be illegal aliens at government worksites, but then again, they're not suppose to be in the country.
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    Don't believe for one minute that your concerns are unfounded. A few months ago, it was discovered that illegals were working for a government contractor at Fort Belvoir in Northern Virginia. Not only were they given unfettered access to the base, they had also been given access to "top security" areas.

    Surprisingly, it was covered by the Wash Post. I'll see if I can locate the article.

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    DeCA Helps Sack Illegal Immigrant Baggers
    By Master Sgt. Stephen Barrett, USA
    American Forces Press Service


    WASHINGTON, Nov. 15, 1996 – Defense Commissary Agency officials are working with base commanders to detect illegal immigrants working at commissary stores.

    The agency's concerns follow the arrests of nine illegal aliens working as baggers at the Fort Belvoir, Va., commissary. U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service officers made the arrests. Documents showing questionable identity information led to the Immigration and Naturalization Service action.

    "People who want to do business on a military installation are licensed by installation commanders," said commissary agency spokesman Tim Ford. "This applies to baggers, insurance salesmen and others." He said the agency accepts the decisions commanders make in licensing eligible baggers at commissaries.

    However, Ford also said installation commanders would receive more information from DeCA's next "Commander's Update" newsletter to increase awareness on illegal immigrants.

    A visible part of commissary service worldwide, nearly 5,000 baggers work in stores but are not commissary system employees. Baggers earn wages from patron tips.

    "[Baggers are] authorized to enter the base for the purposes of carrying out a personal business for profit," said Philip F. Koren, DeCA's general counsel. "Commissary baggers are selfemployed, working under a license agreement with the installation commander."

    Prospective baggers must apply through the base for a work license under the rules of DoD Directive 1344.7, Personal Commercial Solicitation on DoD Installations. Each military service through its regulations determines its hiring guidelines. Post commanders then enforce those regulations at the local level.

    Applicants must present photo identification and a Social Security number to obtain a work license. In most cases, military police will conduct a local records check and work with the Immigration and Naturalization Service as a part of that process. By executive order, Koren said bagger applicants must be U.S. citizens or hold a "green card" from the Immigration and Naturalization Service.

    Once an installation commander approves a work license, each bagger must sign an agreement with the base commissary. The agreement acknowledges the bagger is not a commissary employee and not eligible for commissary benefits and incentives, health care or pension. The bagger must also agree to meet store requirements for bagging grocery items, maintain a neat, clean appearance and follow accepted personal hygiene standards.

    Baggers must also declare they will comply with all federal, state and local laws regarding legal employment, income tax and authorized access to the installation.

    Commissary officials said store officers control how baggers conduct bagging and carryout service, based on their agreement. Following those guidelines, store officers can suspend or revoke licenses, based on performance.

    Fort Belvoir officials said the casual nature of the employment and its cash basis make the job a magnet for illegal aliens. "It's a situation we pay constant attention to," said Lt. Col. Stephen Mongelluzzo, the Fort Belvoir provost marshal.

    Mongelluzzo called the arrests a step in the right direction. "It's kind of like speeding once you set up speed checks, people adhere to the limits. Then when you relax, people start to creep back up again."

    http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsart ... x?id=40651

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    Thanks for the advice everyone. I know that I need to draw attention to this. There is an issue of conflict that I may be facing. The lawn company that I am refering to is contracted through a property management company that has taken over housing at several of the bases. Part of the agreement when the management company was awarded the contract was that they would use local people where ever possible. They started out that way, but it didn't take long for them to start bringing contractors in from everywhere. Their arguement is that there isn't a good pool of workers to draw from so they need out of state help. This is the same management company that we contract through. I may be risking my position by drawing this negative publicity their way. Whatever I do, I need to make sure that it is done anonomously. I guess I will spend a little time thinking on it and see what I come up with. But I do believe that I need to do something. Thanks..Johnny

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