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    Immigration Measure Introduced

    More on the buffoonery in D.C. Fools, knaves and scalawags all.


    Immigration Measure Introduced

    By Darryl Fears
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Friday, May 13, 2005; Page A08

    A bipartisan bill introduced in Congress yesterday seeks to revise the current immigration system by allowing millions of illegal immigrants in the United States to apply to be temporary guest workers and permit residents of other countries to seek the same status if they can prove that a job is waiting for them.

    The new visa program proposed by Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.) would allow immigrant workers to leave and enter the United States as they please over the three-year life of the temporary visa.

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    McCain said current immigration policy is "unacceptable," in part because it forces Mexican nationals and others illegally seeking to enter the United States to rely on human smugglers or risk their lives crossing the desert alone. In addition, he said, porous borders are "leaving Americans vulnerable" to terrorism.

    The bill almost certainly faces a fight from Republicans who recently rejected amnesty proposals and this week helped win passage of the Real ID Act, which makes it more difficult for illegal immigrants to obtain federally recognized identification.

    Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-Colo.), a leading proponent of removing illegal immigrants, said the legislation is another form of amnesty. "There might be a little more lipstick on this pig than there was before," he said, "but it is most certainly the same old pig. Time and time again, history has shown us that amnesty actually increases illegal immigration."

    Under the bill, millions of illegal workers and immigrants who want jobs in the United States could eventually gain citizenship. Illegal workers in the United States would pay $1,000 each to apply for H-5B visas that would require them to work for six years before seeking permanent residency. Foreign nationals would pay $500 each and would have to prove that an employer has a job waiting for them. Both would be required to pass a battery of police background and medical checks.

    After working for three years, foreign national visa-holders could ask for three-year extensions and, in the meantime, apply for green cards. If the illegal immigrants continue working, pay an additional $1,000, study English and break no laws for six years, they could qualify for permanent residency. Ultimately, that could lead to full citizenship. In the meantime, visa-holders could leave and enter the United States legally.

    McCain said he asked the Bush administration to embrace the proposal. The senator said he did not get a firm answer, but was told that the bill is "in accord with the president's principles."

    In January, Bush called for a better program for illegal workers, saying that the United States "values immigration, and depends on immigration," and should enact immigration laws "that . . . make us proud."

    Judy Golub, senior director of advocacy and public affairs for the American Immigration Lawyers Association, said her organization favors the bill. "It'll create an enforceable system," Golub said. "Right now, we don't have an enforceable system. Not only is it not working, but we can't afford it."

    Rosemary Jenks, director of government affairs for Numbers USA, which advocates reducing the illegal-immigrant population, said her group "would support an exit amnesty, like a tax amnesty, that would allow illegal immigrants to leave and not apply a ban on future reentry."

    Jenks said the government should force employers to verify that workers are legal or face charges themselves. McCain, Kennedy and other supporters said those measures have not worked.
    When we gonna wake up?

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    Re: Immigration Measure Introduced

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    McCain, Kennedy and other supporters said those measures have not worked.

    Someone needs to explain to these dipsticks (problematic since they will need to catch Kennedy in a sober moment) that laws which are not enforced sorta have a tendancy to be ineffective.

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    McCain, Kennedy and other supporters said those measures have not worked.

    Those measures have not been vigorously and consistently applied.

    RR
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    McCain and Kennedy are indefatigable in their passionate quest to turn the U.S. into a 3rd world country. Have scientists yet isolated the virus which causes "chronic fatigue syndrome?" Perhaps, we can dip the pointed end of a dart with this virus and hit them as they exit the Capitol building after a hard day of working to dismantle our country. There must be some way to at least slow them down!!!

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    Senators McCain (R-AZ) and Edward Kennedy (D-MA) have introduced a
    new bill to Congress for an H-5 visa. The bill hasn't been registered
    online at Thomas.gov yet so I can't give you a bill number. It's called
    the "Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act". This bill sounds very
    similar to the bill introduced by McCain, Kolbe, and Flake in 2003
    called the "Worker Amnesty and Opportunity Act of 2003" which sought to
    establish an H-4 visa. Once the bill is published I will do an analysis
    to see what it really contains.

    If passed by Congress the McCain/Kennedy bill would be the largest
    guest-worker visa giveaway in the history of mankind. Workers of all
    types from anywhere in the world would be able to get jobs in the US.
    The U.S. will truly have a global labor market if these senators can
    push their bill through Congress.

    Read the next sentence very carefully because it explains in simple
    terms why this bill is an immediate concern for American middle-class
    workers:

    IT DOESN'T RESTRICT THE TYPES OF WORKERS THAT CAN USE THESE VISAS OR WHAT COUNTRY THEY CAN COME FROM.

    Don't let reporters and shills lull you into complacency when they say
    the bill is only for low paid, unskilled labor. Their previous bill
    made no distinction who used these visas and I doubt this one will
    either. Even if the bill was restricted to low skilled labor, is it
    going to help our country to force all those people that were weaned
    off welfare back into joblessnes? At the very best this bill will
    depress salaries for Americans that can't make ends meet and are seeing
    wages and benefits routinely reduced. The only ones who will benefit
    from this bill are business owners who want to exploit cheap labor.

    Unless the bill has changed from 2003, the H-5A and H-5B visas could be
    used in place of other nonimmigrant visas such as H-1B and L-1. The
    numbers of visas allowed is staggering - up to 400,000 per year. The
    visas are additive so in two years 800,000 new nonimmigrants could have
    visas to work and apply for amnesty.


    In 2003 I dubbed McCain, Kolbe, and Flake as the "Three Stooges from
    Arizona". To see their picture click on this link:
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    The Stooges' bill floundered in Congress. Putting the word "amnesty" in
    the title didn't help their cause since they claimed it's wasn't about
    amnesty, so they changed the name of the bill to: "Border Security and
    Immigration Improvement Act". Fortunately the bill didn't get
    bipartisan support. This time the threat is far greater. Support from
    Democrats is far deeper this time with endorsements by Sen. Kennedy and
    Rep. Luis Gutierrez, D-Ill., a leader of the Congressional Hispanic
    caucus.

    To read more about the Stooges' bill all you have to do is to go to the
    newsletter archive and search for the keyword "stooges".

    Dan Stein of FAIRUS has this to say in the SF Chronicle:

    The country is flooded with foreign labor, and it's
    bankrupting communities all across America," he said.
    "This bill ... destroys opportunities for working
    Americans. There's no such thing as cheap labor,
    just cheap employers who won't pay decent wages and
    benefits for a day's work."
    "We have it in our power to begin the world over again." (Thomas Paine 1776 "Common Sense") "The cause of America is in great measure the cause of all mankind." ("Common Sense")

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    A typically glowing and slanted article in today's San Francisco Chronicle said "the measure looks like a slam dunk." Yeah, well we'll see who ends up getting slammed here. "Solving" the illegal immigration problem by granting amnesty makes about as much sense as "solving" the crime problem by making rape, robbery and murder legal.

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    Well.....they may consider it "BiPartisan" because they have One Beanhead Democrat and One Beanhead Republican.....but with or without BiPartisan Beanheads....IT"S STILL ANTI-AMERICAN which means simply:

    IT WON"T FLY HERE!!
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    McCain said current immigration policy is "unacceptable," in part because it forces Mexican nationals and others illegally seeking to enter the United States to rely on human smugglers or risk their lives crossing the desert alone. In addition, he said, porous borders are "leaving Americans vulnerable" to terrorism.
    This is my favorite part. We are "forcing" illegal migration. We are "forcing" them to have to cross the desert or rely on Coyotes to come here. I say Good! The more of them that vanish in the desert, the fewer we have to support with tax dollars. I envision machine gun nests every 100 yards along the border, with shoot to kill orders for anyone who sets foot across it.

    What we need to day is Teddy Roosevelt running the country and General Patton in charge of border control with 50,000 troops and the armor to do it with. What a dreamer I am.
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    I hear ya!!

    We have Generals that can get the Job Done on the Border.

    We have Americans that do a great job as President.

    We have what it takes to get things right here.

    We just need to get the existing President and Vice President out of office.

    Then it will all get straightened out.

    It won't be easy, but it can be done.
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    Scarecrow...LOL...you sure said a mouthful.
    Yes, I think it will take a lot of doing to get things changed...but if we don't get busy doing it...we'll still be sitting here ranting five years from now. I'd prefer to be counting a few victories.

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    McCain Kennedy Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Judy
    Well.....they may consider it "BiPartisan" because they have One Beanhead Democrat and One Beanhead Republican.....but with or without BiPartisan Beanheads....IT"S STILL ANTI-AMERICAN which means simply:

    IT WON"T FLY HERE!!
    The two chickens wouldn't even go on O'Reilly tonight. This is making the problem worse. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
    RIP Butterbean! We miss you and hope you are well in heaven.-- Your ALIPAC friends

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