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    Well, gee, there I thought you were a Conservative Republican because that's what you said you were, who do you think pays for EVERYTHING the federal government does? The source country of the problem should pay for it or suffer the consequences, no aid and no trade until this violation of US borders is STOPPED.

    This is war, you call it an "invasion", your name is "stoptheinvaders", you want regular military on the borders, are you telling me that in your world you send aid to enemies and trade with invaders? No wonder your generation hasn't won a war. You don't even know how to fight one. THE FIRST DAMN THING YOU DO IS CUT OFF THEIR GAWD DAMN MONEY COMING FROM OUR COUNTRY.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stoptheinvaders View Post
    MW says----First and foremost, it's our federal governments job to secure our nations border, not another foreign governments

    and you come back with the above psycho babble bs
    That's Judy's typical modus operandi. If you can't discredit the message with sound logical reasoning, attempt to muddy the waters by discrediting the messenger. I've seen her attack style play out day after day, month after month, and year after year. Glad to see I'm not the only one that has wised up to her game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    . THE FIRST DAMN THING YOU DO IS CUT OFF THEIR GAWD DAMN MONEY COMING FROM OUR COUNTRY.
    Put the military on the border and cut off aid on same day, but go tell that to Trump, I certainly hope he listens to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stoptheinvaders View Post
    Put the military on the border and cut off aid on same day, but go tell that to Trump, I certainly hope he listens to you.


    Okay, I will, thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    It's really great to find out after all these years that MW thinks American taxpayers are responsible for illegal immigration. I mean how in the world could I have missed that? Americans are responsible, your tax dollars at work not doing things for you but doing things to and for illegal aliens. See, all these years I've thought the illegal aliens and their home countries were responsible. DAMN!!
    Looks like you have a lot of catching up to do!

    Americans who give them free medical, free education for their children, free money to help their children while they are here, let them send our money to their country to finance more of them to pay coyotes to bring more of them here, give them lawyers to fight our government when they get caught crossing our borders illegally, letting them run free in our country because there are too many of them for our courts to process, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera! The illegal aliens do not vote for these politicians, yet. But Americans do. If Americans united to put up a wall, arrest all visa overstays, did away with birthright citizenship for aliens, we wouldn't need a Plan B to deal with them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtdc View Post
    Looks like you have a lot of catching up to do!

    Americans who give them free medical, free education for their children, free money to help their children while they are here, let them send our money to their country to finance more of them to pay coyotes to bring more of them here, give them lawyers to fight our government when they get caught crossing our borders illegally, letting them run free in our country because there are too many of them for our courts to process, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera! The illegal aliens do not vote for these politicians, yet. But Americans do. If Americans united to put up a wall, arrest all visa overstays, did away with birthright citizenship for aliens, we wouldn't need a Plan B to deal with them!
    But you don't have any of that. That's why it's Judy's Plan B, because your desired Plan A of blah, blah and blah hasn't happened because you don't have the votes or money to do it. Plan B doesn't cost anything and doesn't require any votes. It just needs Trump to make the calls to the countries. He loves making these types of calls. I have to figure out how to get the message to him. I was hoping Stephen Miller still read our ALIPAC forum, and maybe he does, I sure hope so.

    You're mixed up. None of this is the fault of Americans, it's not even the fault of our politicians. It's solely the fault of illegal aliens and their home countries. What you are trying to imply is like blaming a rape victim for being out at night, or wearing a dress that's too short, or exercising poor judgment in accepting a ride, or stopping to help someone who is really a criminal acting in distress, or whatever blame game you want to throw to make it the fault of the victim. It's like if your home is broken into, you blame them for not having a gated community, only 1 padlock on their door instead of 3, not having a security system, or leaving a window unlocked or whatever.

    The reality is ALL AMERICANS are victims of illegal immigration. Everyone, workers, citizens, taxpayers, legal immigrants, elected officials, all of US are victims overwhelmed with a problem we can not solve because we can't even agree on even 1 strategy. Not everyone wants a wall, not everyone likes the idea of the wall. Not everyone wants to end birthright citizenship, not everyone wants mandatory E-Verify, not everyone wants mass deportations, not everyone, not even a majority in enough of the right locations want enough of one or two or even three things to solve this problem. It has two issues, the new ones coming in and the others who are already here. The best solution to solve the ones coming in is Plan B, cutting off aid and trade with the countries responsible for invading our country. The best solution to solve the ones who are already here is authorizing state and local law enforcement to enforce US immigration law without threat of reprisals or lawsuits from the federal government. Trump can do both of these with an Executive Order. We don't need legislation to do either one. Trump has the authority to issue sanctions under Plan B. Trump also has the authority to set the state and locals loose on the problem because they already have the constitutional right to do it and have always had that right all along.
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    Judy wrote (excerpt):

    You're mixed up. None of this is the fault of Americans, it's not even the fault of our politicians. It's solely the fault of illegal aliens and their home countries.
    No, it's you that is totally mixed up and completely wrong when you say our illegal immigration problem is the sole fault of illegals and other countries. As a welfare state we draw illegals like honey draws flies. It's our federal government's responsibility to secure our country and its borders from illegal alien intruders. It's time we take responsibility for creating this problem and doing whatever is necessary to fix it. Blaming everyone else for a self-created problem is counter-productive and will never solve the problem! To blame everyone else for our problem is to ignore personal responsibility and accountability. We must hold our politicians feet to the fire and force them to prioritize our nation security accordingly.

    IMO, Judy's World is a very strange place that claims to have all the answers but in actuality seldom provides real solutions.
    Last edited by MW; 09-02-2018 at 07:36 PM.

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    Judy's Plan B:

    Tell all these countries, if your citizens don't stop entering our country illegally, then your country will have no aid from or trade with the United States.


    This plan uses sanctions under the authority of the President of the United States to put the blame of illegal immigration on those responsible for it, illegal aliens and the home countries who both send them up here and benefit from doing so. This plan will work quickly and effectively at no cost to US taxpayers. The President picks up the phone and makes about 12 calls to the countries with the highest number of illegal aliens entering our country. The President issues a simple press release notifying the world of this new diplomatic tactic to stop illegal immigration into the United States by holding those causing the problem responsible for ending it.

    It's time for common sense no-cost strategies to end this travesty. Judy's Plan B is one of them (and a very good one at that).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    You're mixed up. None of this is the fault of Americans, it's not even the fault of our politicians. It's solely the fault of illegal aliens and their home countries.
    If we penalize their home country for these individuals wanting to leave their country for a better life, their country's leaders will punish them, kill them. Their country will become even more of a prison. Look at Cuba. How do they treat those who make it known they want to leave, or get in a makeshift boat and try to leave? If we pushing their country so they become even more imprisoned, they will not be able to seek refuge in any other country. So your cold-hearted Plan B will make things even worse. If we control our borders, we will only be stopping them from coming here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Judy
    The reality is ALL AMERICANS are victims of illegal immigration. Everyone, workers, citizens, taxpayers, legal immigrants, elected officials, all of US are victims overwhelmed with a problem we can not solve because we can't even agree on even 1 strategy.
    So what makes you think your plan will be any more successful?

    Quote Originally Posted by Judy
    Not everyone wants a wall, not everyone likes the idea of the wall. Not everyone wants to end birthright citizenship, not everyone wants mandatory E-Verify, not everyone wants mass deportations, not everyone, not even a majority in enough of the right locations want enough of one or two or even three things to solve this problem.
    And you want to throw one more plan that not everyone will agree on!

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    I don't care what they do to them. Better they do it than us having to do something to them. They're invading our country, this never ends well when you do that, either the country you're invading takes you out and puts an end to you or your home country does it. Better them than us. Either you people are serious about solving this problem, or just whining along like a lot of people for decades about a problem they don't really want to solve because they don't have the commitment to do what is actually necessary to stop it.

    But I will tell you this, straight up, punishing Americans for something we aren't responsible for will NOT fly with me, not one more minute of one more day. Illegal aliens and their home countries are the problem, not Americans, and it is illegal aliens and their home countries who must be punished, not Americans.

    Judy's Plan B does that and does it according to law, within the authority of the President of the United States, as a sanction like we put on all types of countries all the time for far less than what these illegal aliens and their home countries have and are doing to US.
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