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10-25-2009, 01:05 PM
mdillon1172

Language requirement is "racist" per UNIVISION gue

Sonia Gutierrez (English teaching school in DC) was interviewed by JORGE RAMOS of Unvision on the program AL PUNTO (to the point)... and responded to Ramos' question about the "myth of Hispanics not wishing to learn English" She responded stating that it is the "racists" in America who spread this lie. She has been teaching "foreigners" English for 30 years and finds these people to eagerly learn English .... because they wish to have a job...... BUT NOTICE .... they don't learn English to study the CONSITUTION or how to become an American..... and NOTICE that Jorge RAmos ignores her anti-American comment....

But then, the obvious question would be; why is Spanish-language media exploding... if they all wish to learn English and integrate?.... the only reason for UNIVISION is to CATER to those who wish NOT TO ADAPT to America, and wish to hear the news and entertainment in Spanish.... THEY THEMSELVES CREATE THE IMPRESSION THEY WANT TO HAVE A SEPARATE LIFE.... far from integrating or assimilating.... UNIVISION is happy to keep the Latins dependent on THEIR presentation of the news....

by the way, Ramos refers to us as "Anglo-Saxons" or "North Americans", but always as "they", as if he were not part of this nation....though he claims to be Mexican-born and an American". His anchor partner Maria Elena SAlinas does the same thing, though she is actually born in the US...

When they discuss something negative about America they use "they", Anglo or NorthAmerica, but if it is something pleasant and positive, they use "we" or at least "in this country..."

but, why do we allow any one to proclaim him'herself a HYPHENATED American.... one is either American or not.....
10-25-2009, 01:36 PM
ELE

Come on, if they want to learn English, why don't they?

More of the same BS.

Anglo-Saxons" or "North Americans..........she is guilty of a hate crime.
10-25-2009, 01:39 PM
vortex

Firstly Latino is not a race. It is a hodge-podge of races melding through history that all happen to share the language of the Spanish conquistadors. For the guest to claim she is a teacher of English, I worry that her ethnicity colors what she teaches.
To call us North Americans, got news for them--Mexico is on the same continent so they are also Norte Americano.
And to term people in this country as Anglos is only referring those from English stock. I don't have one drop of English in me and I am a citizen of citizen parents and grandparents. This teacher should do better to understand English--rather than promoting a silly agenda of racism.
10-25-2009, 02:10 PM
Texas2step

Although the following opinion piece refers specifically to recent charges of racism surrounding Rush Limbaugh by two self-appointed African American "spokespersons", it does point out that in many ways these constant charges of "racism" have become a "racket". Votex is right: "Latino" is not a "race", and the term "Hispanic" refers specifically to "Spanish speaking persons in the United States". The Clinton Administration began a quiet government initiative to include language as a distinguishing "national characteristic" in order to establish further grounds for actionable civil rights law suits which can be appealed to the federal courts. Sadly this has more to do with the livelihood of the American Association of Immigration Lawyers than with the U.S. Constitution. And, ironically, a number of people native to the U.S. Southwest whose ancestors may date back to the Spanish colonization do not themselves necessarily speak Spanish. I opt for "persons of Spanish descent" and "Brazilians" as more accurate.

October 25, 2009
American Thinker

October 19, 2009

The lucrative business of racism
By Bob Weir

This latest imbroglio about Rush Limbaugh being ineligible to buy an NFL franchise, because of a couple of alleged racial comments he made over the span of his many decades on the radio, stands out as one of the phoniest canards ever foisted upon the American public.

The irony behind the spurious charge is that they come from two of the most incendiary provocateurs in the race-baiting business. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, who give themselves the ludicrous title of Reverend, have the unmitigated gall to proclaim that Limbaugh is a polarizing figure in the country. This from a couple of race hustlers who have been living large for several decades with no visible means of support except for the "donations" they received from corporations they've threatened with not so subtle methods of extortion. Using their race as a bludgeon, they begin by claiming that a company doesn't have enough blacks on the payroll, therefore they will stage protests and jeopardize the company's profits until it cries uncle and makes sizable "contributions" to the respective bank accounts of some very suspicious "nonprofit" groups. Add to that several instances in which these charlatans have thrown gasoline on black - white incidents from coast to coast, and you have a clear picture of actual racism.

However, this is where we are in 2009. Sharpton and Jackson can make millions of dollars by parsing every word, phrase, action or thought and search for a creative way to connect it to bigotry. Every time they do, they expect white America to be intimidated into relinquishing something of value. Yet, when Jackson exhibited his rabid anti-Semitism by referring to New York City as Hymietown, that other laughable excuse for a member of the clergy couldn't find his voice. Similarly, when the bozo known as "Reverend" Sharpton gained national attention by claiming that a black woman was raped by three white men and covered with feces; a malicious and libelous claim that left him on the losing end of a lawsuit, we weren't entertained by the rent-a-protest mob frequently organized by that other jerk who masquerades as a man of God.

More recently, when a black woman charged that she had been raped by three white Duke University lacrosse players (another accusation that proved to be false) the country's premier race-baiters catapulted themselves to North Carolina as though they discovered a vein of gold in Durham. In a very real sense it was gold for them because it gave them another opportunity to use the race card in their continuous pursuit of self-aggrandizement and racial polarization.

You have to understand that if these guys didn't have the skin-pigmentation crutch to lean on, they'd undoubtedly be unemployed. As long as they can keep racism alive, these flimflam artists will not only continue to stuff cash into their larcenous coffers, but they'll be virtually impervious to allegations of corruption, since every genuine charge will be met by an apocryphal countercharge of racism. Even the IRS, who proved their puissance way back in 1931, by sending Al Capone to prison for tax evasion, has so far been unable to lock up these 2 gangsters. Several years ago, Sharpton claimed that blacks cannot be racists because they don't have the power to support discrimination and subjugation in the system. Some people may have bought into that reasoning when all the presidents had been white, but now that we have a black president such claims become obvious attempts to escape responsibility for black bigotry. As a result, an increasing number of whites are becoming fed up with the constant barrage of frivolous complaints that come from some of the most unproductive members of society.

If either Sharpton or Jackson had enough money to buy a sports franchise, does anyone believe they would be denied the purchase because of the multitude of racist statements and actions they've engaged in during their entire adult life? I can just imagine the crybabies screeching over the airwaves about the attempt by whites to keep blacks down.

This is nothing less than a strategy to limit free speech for one segment of society, while giving unlimited license to another. A good example of that are the many groups who blithely get away with blatant discrimination. We don't hear complaints about the Congressional Black Caucus being a racist group. Nor do we hear whimpering about the Miss Black USA Contest, or the National Association of Blacks in Criminal Justice, etc. etc. I have no doubt that some blacks will read this and call me a racist. Well, if telling it like it is makes me a racist, then bring it on, brother.

Bob Weir is a former detective sergeant in the New York City Police Department. He is the executive editor of The News Connection in Highland Village, Texas. Email Bob.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/10/ ... raci.html#
10-26-2009, 10:20 AM
browneyes106

A language is not a race. Also why don't Mexicans speak the native language of the Aztecs instead of Spanish?
10-26-2009, 05:19 PM
mdillon1172

Quote:

Originally Posted by browneyes106

A language is not a race. Also why don't Mexicans speak the native language of the Aztecs instead of Spanish?

10% of Mexican nationals are white/European
60% are Mestizo (native Indian+White)
30% are Native
10-26-2009, 10:22 PM
JohnnyYuma

They are a mexican outfit anyway. They should keep their opinion in mexico as far as I'm concerned.
11-07-2009, 01:24 AM
mdillon1172

Univision is mostly US owned, though it gets its soap operas from Mexico's TELEVISA and Venezuela's VENEVISA.... The owner of TELEVISA (Azcarraga does own about 10% of the network...)

its last buyout, according to WIKIPEDIA, left it with debts 12 times its annual cash generation.... pretty bad!

Over the last couple of years it has lost some key reporters to new US rivals...
11-07-2009, 12:46 PM
Ratbstard

Ever wonder why NO Spanish station has a secondary audio channel while most English ones do?

Just food for thought.
11-07-2009, 05:15 PM
littleirishgirl

its not the "racist americans" that make language an issue, its the racist hispanics that make it an issue when someone who doesnt speak spanish talks to them and they demand it or mock it and then go find someone who can speak it to go help them. ive seen this time and time again, it happens in retail alot, a mexican comes in, doesnt know a lick of english, you try to help them out and if you look at all hispanic they ridicule you and ask you such things as 'why dont YOU speak spanish?' and then just seek out a spanish employee that knows it.
11-07-2009, 05:24 PM
littleirishgirl

Quote:

Originally Posted by browneyes106

A language is not a race. Also why don't Mexicans speak the native language of the Aztecs instead of Spanish?

because mexicans are in alot of denial of where their ancestry comes from lol. its a fact that native mexicans are also part black but they sure love to deny that and show alot of racism to african americans...they have a grudge agaisnt american people for the treaty that gave us the western u.s, and seem so arrogant and ignorant towards white people..i cant tell you how many times ive been called a 'white girl' by a mexican, im not full white, but is that supposed to be an insult or something? lol my mothers family is from puerto rico, they are of spanish only blood, and alot of mexicans these days are half native, half spanish since the conquesadors almost completely wiped out the aztecs and bred a new race which is now a mix of different things in mexico. its really only the dark skinned mexicans that are so racist and prideful into speaking spanish, which is pretty hypocritical if you ask me because it isnt even their language, its spains language..in otherwords..white mans language. :? mexicans seem to have this weird mentality that white people arent allowed to speak spanish, or they think white people SHOULD be speaking spanish just for them, without directly realizing that the spanish language comes from the light skinned inhabitants of spain.
11-07-2009, 05:45 PM
StarshipTrooper

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Originally Posted by vortex

Firstly Latino is not a race. It is a hodge-podge of races melding through history that all happen to share the language of the Spanish conquistadors. For the guest to claim she is a teacher of English, I worry that her ethnicity colors what she teaches.
To call us North Americans, got news for them--Mexico is on the same continent so they are also Norte Americano.
And to term people in this country as Anglos is only referring those from English stock. I don't have one drop of English in me and I am a citizen of citizen parents and grandparents. This teacher should do better to understand English--rather than promoting a silly agenda of racism.

In all fairness: an 'Anglo' here in Arizona refers to any non Hispanic White person.

I self identify as such despite my 1/2 Hungarian, (probable) 1/4 Irish, etc. lineage :)
11-07-2009, 05:49 PM
StarshipTrooper

Quote:

Originally Posted by littleirishgirl

Quote:

Originally Posted by browneyes106

A language is not a race. Also why don't Mexicans speak the native language of the Aztecs instead of Spanish?

because mexicans are in alot of denial of where their ancestry comes from lol. its a fact that native mexicans are also part black but they sure love to deny that and show alot of racism to african americans...they have a grudge agaisnt american people for the treaty that gave us the western u.s, and seem so arrogant and ignorant towards white people..i cant tell you how many times ive been called a 'white girl' by a mexican, im not full white, but is that supposed to be an insult or something? lol my mothers family is from puerto rico, they are of spanish only blood, and alot of mexicans these days are half native, half spanish since the conquesadors almost completely wiped out the aztecs and bred a new race which is now a mix of different things in mexico. its really only the dark skinned mexicans that are so racist and prideful into speaking spanish, which is pretty hypocritical if you ask me because it isnt even their language, its spains language..in otherwords..white mans language. :? mexicans seem to have this weird mentality that white people arent allowed to speak spanish, or they think white people SHOULD be speaking spanish just for them, without directly realizing that the spanish language comes from the light skinned inhabitants of spain.

As you stated-------------and, the screamin' irony is if you wished to force the issue with those la raza hypocrites, you can claim Hispanic heritage yourself through your mother.
11-07-2009, 06:23 PM
vortex

Any language is fluid (just try to read some Old English without translation).
The Spanish that was taught to me in school was Castillian Spanish (which I have forgotten). Each region has its own version or dialect of Spanish, and I doubt few are able to understand Castillian Spanish well--if they are at all literate.
And I do so loathe being classified as non-Hispanic white. I am white, period, not a non-anything type of white. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
11-27-2009, 11:19 AM
mummy

Re: Language requirement is "racist" per UNIVISION

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdillon1172

Sonia Gutierrez (English teaching school in DC) was interviewed by JORGE RAMOS of Unvision on the program AL PUNTO (to the point)... and responded to Ramos' question about the "myth of Hispanics not wishing to learn English" She responded stating that it is the "racists" in America who spread this lie. She has been teaching "foreigners" English for 30 years and finds these people to eagerly learn English .... because they wish to have a job...... BUT NOTICE .... they don't learn English to study the CONSITUTION or how to become an American..... and NOTICE that Jorge RAmos ignores her anti-American comment....

But then, the obvious question would be; why is Spanish-language media exploding... if they all wish to learn English and integrate?.... the only reason for UNIVISION is to CATER to those who wish NOT TO ADAPT to America, and wish to hear the news and entertainment in Spanish.... THEY THEMSELVES CREATE THE IMPRESSION THEY WANT TO HAVE A SEPARATE LIFE.... far from integrating or assimilating.... UNIVISION is happy to keep the Latins dependent on THEIR presentation of the news....

by the way, Ramos refers to us as "Anglo-Saxons" or "North Americans", but always as "they", as if he were not part of this nation....though he claims to be Mexican-born and an American". His anchor partner Maria Elena SAlinas does the same thing, though she is actually born in the US...

When they discuss something negative about America they use "they", Anglo or NorthAmerica, but if it is something pleasant and positive, they use "we" or at least "in this country..."

but, why do we allow any one to proclaim him'herself a HYPHENATED American.... one is either American or not.....

I agree with your last statement. We should obliterate terms like Native Americans, African Americans, Hispanic Americans, blah blah blah

It has allways been a struggle for immigrants to integrate or assimilate. Most Americans have Western European roots, "Anglo-Saxon" ancestry.

The "Anglo - Saxon" term, by the way, seems to apply to a very wide groups of peoples, (English, German, Finns, Swedish, Norwegian, Italians, Eastern Europeans etc.). In reality this term applies to a smaller group, but I think we somehow over-stretch it here in America.

So, in America we have Anglo-Saxons, Eastern Europeans, peoples from Greece and Southern Italy etc.. One in some way could almost rank the difficulty of those groups to assimilate into the American way.

The vast majority of immigrants from South America have roots which are primarily non-European. Although it is reasonable to expect it would take longer for them to assimilate, this perhaps is difficult to accept.

The problem might lie in their numbers, and how they tend to cluster in specific areas. Other groups did the same during the last two centuries but their numbers were not nearly as large. They eventually dissolved into mainstream.

Chemistry, like mixes with like might apply here, from a cultural standpoint I mean. I do not deny that Hispanics must assimilate to mainstream. I simply offer an explanation of why this seems to take longer.

German cable TV providers offer only one Channel in English.
11-27-2009, 11:39 AM
NoBueno

If they're so eager to learn English, then why do I have to press #1 for English and why does my dishwashing detergent now include directions in spanish?

If you cannot learn enough English in a relatively short period of time in order to wash clothes, then something might lead me to believe you're not trying hard enough...
11-27-2009, 11:45 AM
mummy

Quote:

Originally Posted by browneyes106

A language is not a race. Also why don't Mexicans speak the native language of the Aztecs instead of Spanish?

Interesting comment. Perhaps, once again, the answer lie in their numbers.

Perhaps they were exposed to the Spanish culture for a longer period of time.
11-27-2009, 11:51 AM
mummy

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Originally Posted by NoBueno

If they're so eager to learn English, then why do I have to press #1 for English and why does my dishwashing detergent now include directions in spanish?

If you cannot learn enough English in a relatively short period of time in order to wash clothes, then something might lead me to believe you're not trying hard enough...

That is so true!

We don't want to end up like Europe. Have you lived there?
It is amazing, instructions come in so many languages!
German, French, English, Spanish, etc...even Russian I think.
11-27-2009, 11:54 AM
mummy

Quote:

Originally Posted by vortex

Any language is fluid (just try to read some Old English without translation).
The Spanish that was taught to me in school was Castillian Spanish (which I have forgotten). Each region has its own version or dialect of Spanish, and I doubt few are able to understand Castillian Spanish well--if they are at all literate.
And I do so loathe being classified as non-Hispanic white. I am white, period, not a non-anything type of white. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

There is a small percentage of hispanics that are white. And I mean white. White is a skin color, isn't so?
11-27-2009, 12:03 PM
mummy

Quote:

Originally Posted by StarshipTrooper

Quote:

Originally Posted by vortex

Firstly Latino is not a race. It is a hodge-podge of races melding through history that all happen to share the language of the Spanish conquistadors. For the guest to claim she is a teacher of English, I worry that her ethnicity colors what she teaches.
To call us North Americans, got news for them--Mexico is on the same continent so they are also Norte Americano.
And to term people in this country as Anglos is only referring those from English stock. I don't have one drop of English in me and I am a citizen of citizen parents and grandparents. This teacher should do better to understand English--rather than promoting a silly agenda of racism.

In all fairness: an 'Anglo' here in Arizona refers to any non Hispanic White person.

I self identify as such despite my 1/2 Hungarian, (probable) 1/4 Irish, etc. lineage :)

Regardless of their assimilation status, 2nd, 3rd etc. generation, perhaps regardless of skin color as well.

It is understandable, these are the frontier territories. TX, AZ, etc. States that had direct confrontations with Mexican soldiers and a beef with Mexico many years ago. A stronger sense of cultural identity is to be expected there.
11-27-2009, 12:20 PM
ReggieMay

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Originally Posted by NoBueno

If they're so eager to learn English, then why do I have to press #1 for English and why does my dishwashing detergent now include directions in spanish?

If you cannot learn enough English in a relatively short period of time in order to wash clothes, then something might lead me to believe you're not trying hard enough...

And why doesn't Univision have the English version of SAP?
11-27-2009, 01:00 PM
mummy

Quote:

Originally Posted by vortex

Any language is fluid (just try to read some Old English without translation).
The Spanish that was taught to me in school was Castillian Spanish (which I have forgotten). Each region has its own version or dialect of Spanish, and I doubt few are able to understand Castillian Spanish well--if they are at all literate.
And I do so loathe being classified as non-Hispanic white. I am white, period, not a non-anything type of white. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

It should not bother you if they put a qualifier to your "race". There is so much confusion. Take one example, African American is African American, regardless.. 1st, 2nd...7th generation etc. That's just how things are done here.

You should consider yourself white if you so desire, and ignore the rest. Let the govt do whatever it wishes to do on this and let others draw the line on what white means to them.

The term white is already very broad here in America and the line is very blurry. Look at it closely, we have Jews, Southern Italians, Greek etc. they are not pure Anglo-Saxon white in the real sense of the word, they are peoples whose ancestors are from the original peoples of Europe, as the govt puts it.

That definition makes things even more confusing. Who are the original peoples of Europe? Are they classified by nationality?? Christ, the turks were in Greece, and several places of Eastern Europe, the arabs were in southern Italy and the Jews are peoples with extremely diverse roots. Remember their Diaspora.

It is a giant mess. So, don't bother with it.

About Castillian and non Castillian Spanish, in Central and South America there are small groups who speak their own dialects. These dialects have very very little spanish influence, if any at all. The Incas primarily, are a large group who kept very much to themselves in the Andean mountains They are a classic case. They speak their own dialect and many speak spanish too.

The hugely and vast majority of the people speak Spanish. It is non Castillian Spanish like you say, but it can be understood on the most part and without very much effort, even by people from Spain. There are a lot of regional words and slang. Just like everywhere else, if one is exposed enough time to regional words and some grammar differences, one can understand them rather quickly.

Those who have real trouble wih the non-Castillian spanish are primarily non-native spanish speakers (I mean, Spanish is not their mother tongue).

Mexicans and south Americans are perfectly capable of listening to Internation News boradcast in Spanish, coming straight from Spain or wherever else, in Castillian Spanish or International Spanish.

They understand Castillian Spanish as we understand English from England.

After all, don't we go to school to write good prose and peak good english?
11-27-2009, 01:49 PM
bigtex

Re: Language requirement is "racist" per UNIVISION

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdillon1172

Sonia Gutierrez (English teaching school in DC) was interviewed by JORGE RAMOS of Unvision... She has been teaching "foreigners" English for 30 years and finds these people to eagerly learn English .... because they wish to have a job...... BUT NOTICE .... they don't learn English to study the CONSITUTION or how to become an American.

Eager to learn? Then why don't they speak the new language they are so eager to learn. This woman is a liar, I have been in the educational system for quite a while too. I even taught ESL classes for a while. These kids do not care about speaking English. Nor do their parents. That is why so many immigrant kids stay in ESL classes 7 or more years and still don't speak English.

If they don't want to become Americans then why the heck don't they just stay in their beloved mother country?
11-27-2009, 03:13 PM
mummy

Quote:

Originally Posted by vortex

Firstly Latino is not a race. It is a hodge-podge of races melding through history that all happen to share the language of the Spanish conquistadors. For the guest to claim she is a teacher of English, I worry that her ethnicity colors what she teaches.
To call us North Americans, got news for them--Mexico is on the same continent so they are also Norte Americano.
And to term people in this country as Anglos is only referring those from English stock. I don't have one drop of English in me and I am a citizen of citizen parents and grandparents. This teacher should do better to understand English--rather than promoting a silly agenda of racism.

It is Interesting. You say Latino is not a race. Here is the definition of white by the Federal Govt itself:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/fedreg_race-ethnicity/

"The cost considerations described above apply, in varying degrees, to any change and so are not described further in the discussion below of pros and cons for the various options raised in public comment.

(a) White
In Directive No. 15, the "White" category includes persons having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, North Africa, or the Middle East. The public comment included suggestions for subcategories and related changes in terminology to collect more detailed information on White ethnic groups according to the geographic region of their ancestors. This summary reports only on options proposed during public hearings and in the public comment period. It also highlights pros and cons for these options as raised in public comment or shown by research. Inclusion in the summary does not reflect OMB endorsement of the comments or suggestions. Requests included:
Options Suggested in Public Comments:

Perhaps you understand what it is meant by Middle Eastern there and by Northern Africa as well, I am not sure I do myself. This of course widens the gap of what is meant by "the original peoples of Europe". It seems to me that Turks and Arabs are considered white according to this definition, and so are Spaniards. So, if you have Spanish and Arab ancestry, which you probably do if you are Latino ebcause the Arabs and or Moors occupied most of Spain for 700 years, then right then and there your origins date back to the original people's of Europe.

I don't know if it makes a difference that you have Native South American ancestry, if indeed you do.

I know it does for those who have Native-American blood. These are considered American Indians or Alaskan natives, or Native Americans as we know them now.

It appears to me that the key item that sets Latinos apart, is their Native South American Ancestry, for whatever reason.

Government conceptions about race may very well differ widely from those held by all Americans. This is so complicated it is not worth loosing one minute of sleep over it.

I know that the University of Michigan used to grant free tuition, room and board to all those Native Americans who were at least 25% Native. I don't know what is the criteria of the Federal Government. Their definition is fairly broad and comprehensive I suspect.

All BULL if you ask me.

So as is, this is so confusing I would not let that bother me one bit. It has become bull, just like any other bull our politicians feed us.
11-27-2009, 03:55 PM
vortex

Absolutely, this is so much bull, but a heck of a lot of fund to unravel. All I am concerned with is that (a) one is a homo sapien and not a space alien, :wink: and (b) is one an American citizen or here legally, and (c) if one has no right to be here, how quickly can you leave?
I did some research on the ancient history of Scandinavia, and there are suspicions they originated in the areas of eastern Russia near China. So somehow that should make me a non-Hispanic-Asian-white, or some such nonsense. It all boils down to the folks that are employed to do this by the government using our precious tax dollars to discriminate.
11-27-2009, 04:19 PM
miguelina

Re: Language requirement is "racist" per UNIVISION

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Originally Posted by bigtex

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdillon1172

Sonia Gutierrez (English teaching school in DC) was interviewed by JORGE RAMOS of Unvision... She has been teaching "foreigners" English for 30 years and finds these people to eagerly learn English .... because they wish to have a job...... BUT NOTICE .... they don't learn English to study the CONSITUTION or how to become an American.

Eager to learn? Then why don't they speak the new language they are so eager to learn. This woman is a liar, I have been in the educational system for quite a while too. I even taught ESL classes for a while. These kids do not care about speaking English. Nor do their parents. That is why so many immigrant kids stay in ESL classes 7 or more years and still don't speak English.

If they don't want to become Americans then why the heck don't they just stay in their beloved mother country?

Perhaps it's because their "beloved" countries don't believe in the welfare state and all the other freebies they can rip off here? :wink:
11-27-2009, 04:57 PM
mummy

Re: Language requirement is "racist" per UNIVISION

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Originally Posted by miguelina

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Originally Posted by bigtex

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Originally Posted by mdillon1172

Sonia Gutierrez (English teaching school in DC) was interviewed by JORGE RAMOS of Unvision... She has been teaching "foreigners" English for 30 years and finds these people to eagerly learn English .... because they wish to have a job...... BUT NOTICE .... they don't learn English to study the CONSITUTION or how to become an American.

Eager to learn? Then why don't they speak the new language they are so eager to learn. This woman is a liar, I have been in the educational system for quite a while too. I even taught ESL classes for a while. These kids do not care about speaking English. Nor do their parents. That is why so many immigrant kids stay in ESL classes 7 or more years and still don't speak English.

If they don't want to become Americans then why the heck don't they just stay in their beloved mother country?

Perhaps it's because their "beloved" countries don't believe in the welfare state and all the other freebies they can rip off here? :wink:

They come here and break the law because our Federal Government allows them to do so. I can blame them for breaking the law. Sad, but only a small percentage get put in jail, are processed and then deported. The rest seem to stay and fly under the radar.

I can blame them for breaking the law but I can't blame them for wanating to come to a better life. There are not enough Joe Arpaios in the entire United States to take care of this problem. This mess should be resolved by the States, Mexico and the Federal Government. So far, they all choose to look the other way. It doesn't matter how may times amnesty bills are trashed, illegals are still here and only very very few are deported.
11-27-2009, 08:10 PM
mdillon1172

ACTUALLY I call them cowards! why?

Their grandiose display of LATINO PRIDE has to be phony or at best schizophrenic....over the last 500 years what have LATINOS achieved in 34 Latin nations? 500 million people with less then 30% of the US GDP

how can millions of MEXICANS abandon Mexico to the corrupt business and political elites...thereby perpetuating corruption in Mexico.... yet claim to be proud to be Mexican? Mexico has had two revolutions already:

1810- throwing out the corrupt Spaniards
1910 - throwing out the corrupt Mexicans

perhaps:
2010 - time to throw out the latest corrupt Mexicans

WHO WILL FIX MEXICO, IF NOT MEXICANS?

They blame corrupt Mexico for their leaving... yet THEY are permitting it go on

They blame NAFTA for their leaving... yet MEXICO has had a TRADE SURPLUS since 1994.... how is that bad for Mexico?
11-27-2009, 10:10 PM
mummy

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Originally Posted by mdillon1172

ACTUALLY I call them cowards! why?

Their grandiose display of LATINO PRIDE has to be phony or at best schizophrenic....over the last 500 years what have LATINOS achieved in 34 Latin nations? 500 million people with less then 30% of the US GDP

how can millions of MEXICANS abandon Mexico to the corrupt business and political elites...thereby perpetuating corruption in Mexico.... yet claim to be proud to be Mexican? Mexico has had two revolutions already:

1810- throwing out the corrupt Spaniards
1910 - throwing out the corrupt Mexicans

perhaps:
2010 - time to throw out the latest corrupt Mexicans

WHO WILL FIX MEXICO, IF NOT MEXICANS?

They blame corrupt Mexico for their leaving... yet THEY are permitting it go on

They blame NAFTA for their leaving... yet MEXICO has had a TRADE SURPLUS since 1994.... how is that bad for Mexico?

Its funny. They have not done very much in the name of progress. I guess we can say the same thing about Native South Americans and Native North Americans and about many other cultures (or races if you prefer) as well.

What does pride have to do with corruption? I know plenty proud and corrupt people in elite circles, pretty much everywhere. America is very rich so enough trickles down to the lower classes. Only God knows what goes on in circles that we can't even dream to enter into. We can start by questioning ourselves why is it that the Government does not enforce immigration laws. What would we have to say about that? Is this corruption?
11-27-2009, 11:26 PM
Reciprocity

The funny thing is that the more they use the "Race Argument" and isolate themselves the more disdain they bring upon themselves. No other ethnic minority has been more catered too than them ,yet they complain the most. You know what, go to hell, take your race and culture and go back where you came from if you don't like it here. America doesn't need you.
11-28-2009, 12:47 AM
mummy

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The funny thing is that the more they use the "Race Argument" and isolate themselves the more disdain they bring upon themselves. No other ethnic minority has been more catered too than them ,yet they complain the most. You know what, go to hell, take your race and culture and go back where you came from if you don't like it here. America doesn't need you.

Who are you talking to?
In my opinion the most catered ethnic minority are African Americans. You certainly seem to bring the "race" argument out loud.

I don't belong to the group you are sending to roast in the burning coals, and even if I did...you appear to have very poor manners. You seem to have a lot of anger inside you. Who wronged you that bad?
11-28-2009, 01:04 AM
OneNationUnderGod

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The funny thing is that the more they use the "Race Argument" and isolate themselves the more disdain they bring upon themselves. No other ethnic minority has been more catered too than them ,yet they complain the most. You know what, go to hell, take your race and culture and go back where you came from if you don't like it here. America doesn't need you.

Who are you talking to?
The most catered group, if you so insist, are African Americans. You certainly seem to bring the "race" argument.

I don't belong to the group you are sending to to roast in the burning coals, and even if I did...you appear to have poor manners. You have a lot of anger inside you. Did someone wrong you that bad?

Poor manners? Reciprocity is stating how they feel, like everyone has a right to do. They pull the race card all the time.( Illegal aliens) Human rights card also. I feel your post was disrespectful.
11-28-2009, 01:07 AM
mummy

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Originally Posted by Reciprocity

The funny thing is that the more they use the "Race Argument" and isolate themselves the more disdain they bring upon themselves. No other ethnic minority has been more catered too than them ,yet they complain the most. You know what, go to hell, take your race and culture and go back where you came from if you don't like it here. America doesn't need you.

Who are you talking to?
The most catered group, if you so insist, are African Americans. You certainly seem to bring the "race" argument.

I don't belong to the group you are sending to to roast in the burning coals, and even if I did...you appear to have poor manners. You have a lot of anger inside you. Did someone wrong you that bad?

Poor manners? Reciprocity is stating how they feel, like everyone has a right to do. They pull the race card all the time.( Illegal aliens) Human rights card also. I feel your post was disrespectful.

Didn't he send someone to hell in the process? I assume he sent me to hell. Poor manners.

And who is they? Is it Reciprocity and his friends or the Hispanics?
Who is/are they?
11-28-2009, 01:11 AM
Jean

Looks like there is some miscommunication here.

Reciprocity did not quote you, mummy, so he was not directing his comment to you...at least that is how it appears to me.

Remember we're all here for the same reason. :wink:
11-28-2009, 01:13 AM
OneNationUnderGod

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Originally Posted by Reciprocity

The funny thing is that the more they use the "Race Argument" and isolate themselves the more disdain they bring upon themselves. No other ethnic minority has been more catered too than them ,yet they complain the most. You know what, go to hell, take your race and culture and go back where you came from if you don't like it here. America doesn't need you.

Who are you talking to?
The most catered group, if you so insist, are African Americans. You certainly seem to bring the "race" argument.

I don't belong to the group you are sending to to roast in the burning coals, and even if I did...you appear to have poor manners. You have a lot of anger inside you. Did someone wrong you that bad?

Poor manners? Reciprocity is stating how they feel, like everyone has a right to do. They pull the race card all the time.( Illegal aliens) Human rights card also. I feel your post was disrespectful.

Didn't he send someone to hell in the process? I assume he sent me to hell. Poor manners.

And who is they? Is it Reciprocity and his friends or the Hispanics?
Who is/are they?

Wow.....What I got from the post was that he was saying that to the illegals...Not you personally......
11-28-2009, 02:53 AM
cclarkkent

Its no secret, I LIVE in a foreign country, a former part of the Soviet Union, I am here working, since the economy is so bad in America I came over here to work. I am making an effort to learn Russian and Azeri so that I can better understand the people and culture. At the same time, everyone I work with speaks ENGLISH. I am learning the language, so that there is a smaller gap in my understanding of the culture and people here.

Same thing in America, ever wonder why things are so messed up at times? Its because people that refuse to learn English, are also refusing to learn the culture. A persons expression can also portrayed in their use of language. This leads to a misunderstanding. I for one feel that the illegals that are coming across the border are the villagers, thats what we are getting folks, the villagers, the uneducated, unsocialized and socially ignorant villagers.

Now in America, they are not learning the language to better integrate. As far as they are concerned, we should ALL be speaking spanish. I refuse to speak spanish to anyone that I encounter in a role that requires them to speak English.

There goal is not integration, its conquest.
11-28-2009, 01:13 PM
mummy

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Its no secret, I LIVE in a foreign country, a former part of the Soviet Union, I am here working, since the economy is so bad in America I came over here to work. I am making an effort to learn Russian and Azeri so that I can better understand the people and culture. At the same time, everyone I work with speaks ENGLISH. I am learning the language, so that there is a smaller gap in my understanding of the culture and people here.

Same thing in America, ever wonder why things are so messed up at times? Its because people that refuse to learn English, are also refusing to learn the culture. A persons expression can also portrayed in their use of language. This leads to a misunderstanding. I for one feel that the illegals that are coming across the border are the villagers, thats what we are getting folks, the villagers, the uneducated, unsocialized and socially ignorant villagers.

Now in America, they are not learning the language to better integrate. As far as they are concerned, we should ALL be speaking spanish. I refuse to speak spanish to anyone that I encounter in a role that requires them to speak English.

There goal is not integration, its conquest.

Yes, we are getting the illegal villagers and the uneducated and in vast numbers. If immigration laws were enforced they could not massify and organize the way they do, the inflow of immigrants would be controlled putting a limit to this.

It would be more difficult for them to resist assimilation, simply because their numbers would be smaller. As I said before, the real problem is in the numbers.

Immigration laws are not being enforced, there is no real control at the borders. This situation will not significantly change until the states and federal govt take real action here. Why don't they?
11-30-2009, 01:01 AM
Reciprocity

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Originally Posted by Reciprocity

The funny thing is that the more they use the "Race Argument" and isolate themselves the more disdain they bring upon themselves. No other ethnic minority has been more catered too than them ,yet they complain the most. You know what, go to hell, take your race and culture and go back where you came from if you don't like it here. America doesn't need you.

Who are you talking to?
The most catered group, if you so insist, are African Americans. You certainly seem to bring the "race" argument.

I don't belong to the group you are sending to to roast in the burning coals, and even if I did...you appear to have poor manners. You have a lot of anger inside you. Did someone wrong you that bad?

Poor manners? Reciprocity is stating how they feel, like everyone has a right to do. They pull the race card all the time.( Illegal aliens) Human rights card also. I feel your post was disrespectful.

Didn't he send someone to hell in the process? I assume he sent me to hell. Poor manners.

And who is they? Is it Reciprocity and his friends or the Hispanics?
Who is/are they?

It should be self evident who i was talking about. Obviously someone has poor reading comprehension skills, so I'll clarify. I was referring to Illegal Aliens and ANYBODY who would seek to usurp American culture, values, etc.
11-30-2009, 10:03 AM
mummy

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Originally Posted by mummy

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Originally Posted by Reciprocity

The funny thing is that the more they use the "Race Argument" and isolate themselves the more disdain they bring upon themselves. No other ethnic minority has been more catered too than them ,yet they complain the most. You know what, go to hell, take your race and culture and go back where you came from if you don't like it here. America doesn't need you.

Who are you talking to?
The most catered group, if you so insist, are African Americans. You certainly seem to bring the "race" argument.

I don't belong to the group you are sending to to roast in the burning coals, and even if I did...you appear to have poor manners. You have a lot of anger inside you. Did someone wrong you that bad?

Poor manners? Reciprocity is stating how they feel, like everyone has a right to do. They pull the race card all the time.( Illegal aliens) Human rights card also. I feel your post was disrespectful.

Didn't he send someone to hell in the process? I assume he sent me to hell. Poor manners.

And who is they? Is it Reciprocity and his friends or the Hispanics?
Who is/are they?

It should be self evident who i was talking about. Obviously someone has poor reading comprehension skills, so I'll clarify. I was referring to Illegal Aliens and ANYBODY who would seek to usurp American culture, values, etc.

Yes, I shall say poor imagination and poor abilities to read between the lines as well

Reading between the lines, by conveniently ignoring our immigration laws the Federal Government is the biggest usurper of all. They are one big body not just ANYBODY, like somebody and the rest of us.