Thread: LIST OF AMERICANS KILLED BY ILLEGAL ALIENS

Originally Posted by Badmonkey

I was thinking of a WALL with yellow ribbons for adults, blue and pink for children, with thier names on them, then we send duplicates them to congress, the press. It would be relatively cheap for people to do from one central location. Write the names on the ribbons, so we have a WALL for press photo purposes, (including 9/11) Put photos of the perps up as well.....that will get screams from all corners.....

I personally think this is a great idea. We need to follow up on this. Let's figure out some basics:

1. Setting up the wall on the web would make the most sense to me. We'd have to find out if ALIPAC was up for it. A special section, perhaps??

2. We'd have to verify the ribbons, so senders couldn't just put junk up. But that's fairly easy to solve. Somebody sends "us" the story with picture of victim (and perp if available).

The person responsible for mainting the WALL would be the one to actually post the ribbon and pictures (giving credit to the person that sent it).

How does that sound??

Hopefully sometimes in the future we won't entice them over here anymore so that they can set up substandard living situations and raise kids that don't know anything but negative life choices.

Originally Posted by MrLeft

Hopefully sometimes in the future we won't entice them over here anymore so that they can set up substandard living situations and raise kids that don't know anything but negative life choices.

Welcome MrLeft:

I completely agree that employers who hire illegals should be severaly penalized. But whether here or back in their own home county, their children will always be exposed to "negative" life choices.

Heck, it happens here in American (i.e. - the Ku Klux Clan). Sooner or later, we, as adults, must make up our minds to take responsibility for our own lives and not blame everything on our upbringing.

As the old saying goes - "TODAY IS THE FIRST DAY OF THE REST OF MY LIFE". Make a choice!!

Well said CW!

You people are going down a very slippery slope with this line of thinking... by this logic, one can make a judgement against any race or nationality, or those of any legal status, based upon their crime statistics. I think we need to look at the individual, and not make categorical judgments. This thread seems to serve no other purpose than to be fodder for such a judgment.

The law in this nation prescribes that we look at the individual and how that person violated the law, who has the right to a trial by jury and the right to an attourney. A jury of their peers decides the outcome. Of course, for illegals, those rights, according to some, do not exist. But they are still human, with natural rights or the Lockean sort. These rights must be respected, regardless of their crime. They must be treated as individuals.

Originally Posted by MrLeft

You people are going down a very slippery slope with this line of thinking... by this logic, one can make a judgement against any race or nationality, or those of any legal status, based upon their crime statistics. I think we need to look at the individual, and not make categorical judgments. This thread seems to serve no other purpose than to be fodder for such a judgment.

The law in this nation prescribes that we look at the individual and how that person violated the law, who has the right to a trial by jury and the right to an attourney. A jury of their peers decides the outcome. Of course, for illegals, those rights, according to some, do not exist. But they are still human, with natural rights or the Lockean sort. These rights must be respected, regardless of their crime. They must be treated as individuals.

First of all, they are all criminals if they are here illegally. Secondly, there are statistics that say 29% of illegal immigrants have felonys so it IS important to look at the group. When the numbers are that large it is important so see where the problem is coming from in order to solve it.

What slippery slope?

Do you have a horse in this race?

The law in this nation prescribes that we look at the individual and how that person violated the law, who has the right to a trial by jury and the right to an attourney. A jury of their peers decides the outcome.

Who are the "peers" for an illegal immigrant? Other illegal immigrants? Does that, therefore, mean that the only true "jury of their peers" for a murderer are other "murderers"?

But they are still human, with natural rights or the Lockean sort. These rights must be respected, regardless of their crime.

Nozick: The proviso says that though every appropriation of property is a dimunition of another's rights to it, it is okay as long as it does not make anyone worse off than they would have been without any private property

This is a philosophy that clearly defines a person's right to their own property.

Illegal immigrants taking possession of property that is not theirs makes them criminals.

Every American is expected to obey the laws of the land or be prosecuted for breaking them.

Why should illegals be treated any differently?

You people

You people? Where is Ross Perot when you need him.

Of course, for illegals, those rights, according to some, do not exist. But they are still human, with natural rights or the Lockean sort. These rights must be respected, regardless of their crime. They must be treated as individuals.

Individually they have the right to go home. As in self deport. Is that what you mean?

Originally Posted by MrLeft

You people

Actually, it's "We the people..."
Also, illegal aliens are of all races and nationalities. You are the one that is singling out a group, not us. It's not about crime statistics because those are way understated. We only have statistics on the catch and release aliens and not all the millions more in the shadows. It's about crime and the blatant disregard of our laws.

Every illegal alien has committed a crime. The fact that they are in this country is proof they have committed the crime and continue to commit that crime. Basically, when they are caught, they are caught in the act, which is an open and shut case and can be handled by a judge and does not need a jury. Jury’s determine guilt or innocence and there is no doubt that they are guilt so a jury is not needed nor required.

Secondly, the Constitutional Rights, including trial by jury are the rights of citizens of the United States, not alien invaders. Aliens have no legal rights in the US. They are governed by the laws of their country of origin. They want rights, then they need to go back to their homeland.

"Jury of their peers"! Make me laugh, do you want them to be tried by illegal aliens? Next you will be asking that the jury be made up of suspected and convicted criminals, since they are the criminal's peers.

Go get some better talking points.



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