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    Quote Originally Posted by Dixie
    I think the fact they're here illegally and the fact they've killed people are not connected.
    Yes it is connected. If they were not here, they would not be killing Americans.
    [quote:10dvwxlr]Lets make a list of Americans killed by Americans and see which one is longer. We have bigger problems to worry about.
    NO, lets not because you are missing the point and defending illegal immigrants. They should not be here and Americans should not be suffering at their hands. We need to take up for ourselves and remove every last one of them. They are not innocent and here just to do a job. They make up 1/3rd or our prison population. That's just the ones that have been caught. They are not in prison because of minor violations. They have committed felonies, fraud, murder, rape.... Criminals are criminals and every illegal alien is a criminal.

    The punishment for illegally entering the United States is deportation! We need more enforcement to keep up with all the illegal alien criminals and that will solve that problem. Believe me, it's coming because the people want it
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    Thats funny. I wonder if Mexicans were thinking the same thing when we took Texas away from them in the 1800's. Oh and illegal immigrants DO NOT make up 1/3 of our prison population.

    Where are you getting that 1/3rd of the prison population is illegal immigrants stat from?

    According to the US Department of Justice, http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/pjim05.pdf , in mid 1995, 6.4% of state and federal prison population was non-citizens. Even California only goes as high as 10%.

    Having done a google search I see your stat posted a million times on paranoid right-wing sites, and never with an actual link to the source of the stat. The closest I've found is "I heard Lou Dobbs say". And to be honest, that's not really doing it for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrLeft
    Here you go. Here are the actual statistics from the year 2000:

    "Data from the 5 percent Public Use Microsample (PUMS) of the 2000 census were used to measure the institutionalization rates of immigrants and natives, focusing on males 18 to 39, most of whom are in correctional facilities. Of the 45.2 million males age 18 to 39, three percent were in federal or state prisons or local jails at the time of the 2000 census — a total of over 1.3 million, in line with official prison statistics at that time.

    Surprisingly, at least from the vantage of conventional wisdom, the data show the above hypotheses to be unfounded. In fact, the incarceration rate of the US born (3.51 percent) was four times the rate of the foreign born (0.86 percent). The foreign-born rate was half the 1.71 percent rate for non-Hispanic white natives, and 13 times less than the 11.6 percent incarceration rate for native black men"

    http://www.migrationinformation.org/Fea ... cfm?id=403

    "Tellingly, among the foreign born, the highest incarceration rate by far (4.5 percent) was observed among island-born Puerto Ricans, who are not immigrants as such since they are US citizens by birth and can travel to the mainland as natives. If the island-born Puerto Ricans were excluded from the foreign-born totals, the national incarceration rate for the foreign born would drop to 0.68 percent.

    Of particular interest is the finding that the lowest incarceration rates among Latin American immigrants are seen for the least educated groups: Salvadorans and Guatemalans (0.52 percent), and Mexicans (0.70 percent). These are precisely the groups most stigmatized as "illegals" in the public perception and outcry about immigration."
    That's a useless statistic because it does not separate illegal aliens from legal immigrants and residents. What's more, there is no good measure of how many illegal immigrants are in this country, which means that there can be no valid percentage available for the purposes of determining thie relative incarceration rate. Your stat is an apple to the orange being discussed, but then you already knew that.

    If you're not going to be honest, perhaps you should move on. Folks here are too intelligent to be duped by some numbskull quoting unrelated statistics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrLeft
    Quote Originally Posted by CheyenneWoman
    Here is the article I was looking for:

    In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens.

    • A confidential California Department of Justice study reported in 1995 that 60 percent of the bloody 18th Street Gang in California is illegal (estimated membership: 20,000); police officers say the proportion is undoubtedly much greater. The gang collaborates with the Mexican Mafia, the dominant force in California prisons, on complicated drug distribution schemes, extortion, and drive-by assassinations, and is responsible for an assault or robbery every day in Los Angeles County. The gang has dramatically expanded its numbers over the last two decades by recruiting recently arrived youngsters, a vast proportion
    illegal, from Central America and Mexico.

    • The leadership of the Columbia Li’l Cycos gang, which uses murder and racketeering to control the drug market around L.A.’s MacArthur Park, was about 60 percent illegal in 2002, says former Assistant U.S. Attorney Luis Li. Frank "Pancho Villa" Martinez, a Mexican Mafia member and illegal alien, controlled the gang from prison, while serving time for felonious reentry following deportation.
    There is even more reading - Here's the link: (Now, I'm going to bed)

    http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/back704.html
    http://opinion.latimes.com/immigration/ ... to_th.html

    ""Fact" 2: 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
    LAT citations: May 15, 2005 — "According to Heather MacDonald of the Manhattan Institute, 95% of the hundreds of outstanding homicide warrants (and 60% of outstanding felony warrants) in L.A. are for illegal immigrants."
    Similar citations: January 19, 2004
    Factual basis: An outstanding warrant is quite a different beast than a regular warrant, so this "fact" left out the key word. We did some more checking on the outstanding warrants point itself. MacDonald stated this in a 2004 City Journal article, and in testimony before the House of Representatives in spring 2005, noting that this came to 1,200-1,500 warrants. One LAPD officer cited the same factoid in the National Review earlier this year, saying that it's specific to "the first half of 2004". But Jane Robison, press secretary for the Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office, told us that the D.A. does not keep track of this number; a representative with Detective Headquarters said the same."
    Ah, so now you resort to merely choosing to discard inconvenient facts. Your refusal to debate honestly is going to lead me to issue a stage 1 troll alert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrLeft
    Quote Originally Posted by Dixie
    I think the fact they're here illegally and the fact they've killed people are not connected.
    Yes it is connected. If they were not here, they would not be killing Americans.
    [quote:33puikvb]Lets make a list of Americans killed by Americans and see which one is longer. We have bigger problems to worry about.
    NO, lets not because you are missing the point and defending illegal immigrants. They should not be here and Americans should not be suffering at their hands. We need to take up for ourselves and remove every last one of them. They are not innocent and here just to do a job. They make up 1/3rd or our prison population. That's just the ones that have been caught. They are not in prison because of minor violations. They have committed felonies, fraud, murder, rape.... Criminals are criminals and every illegal alien is a criminal.

    The punishment for illegally entering the United States is deportation! We need more enforcement to keep up with all the illegal alien criminals and that will solve that problem. Believe me, it's coming because the people want it
    .
    Thats funny. I wonder if Mexicans were thinking the same thing when we took Texas away from them in the 1800's. Oh and illegal immigrants DO NOT make up 1/3 of our prison population.

    Where are you getting that 1/3rd of the prison population is illegal immigrants stat from?

    According to the US Department of Justice, http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/pjim05.pdf , in mid 1995, 6.4% of state and federal prison population was non-citizens. Even California only goes as high as 10%.

    Having done a google search I see your stat posted a million times on paranoid right-wing sites, and never with an actual link to the source of the stat. The closest I've found is "I heard Lou Dobbs say". And to be honest, that's not really doing it for me.[/quote:33puikvb]
    LOL!!!

    This time the boy had to go back over a decade to find a convenient statistic!

    Hey fella, I note that you have totally avoided my first rebuttal of your straw man argument. May I take that as a concession of your error?

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    BTW - According to the District Attorney for the County of Northampton, PA in a report dated 10/1/03, illegal aliens nationwide account for over 25% of the federal prison population. Here's a link to the report:

    http://www.friendsfw.org/Legislation/Im ... HR2671.pdf

    This article:

    http://www.therealitycheck.org/StaffWri ... 051606.htm

    places the percentage of federal inmates in 2004 at 27%.

    I note that Lou Dobbs has previously reported the illegal alien percentage in our prisons as 33%, but I am not certain of his source.

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    And what do these "poor" people do once work is done for the day? Watch the second video down to find out.

    http://www.immigrationwatchdog.com/?p=1642

    I guess this is acceptable behavior for Mr. Left............
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    One last point:

    MrLeft makes the ludicrous claim that "we took Texas away from (the Mexicans) in the 1800s." So beyond being deceptive, MrLefty is apparently also poorly educated. "We" didn't take Mexico from the Mexicans. Texas was a region of Mexico that had been moving toward independence for some time due to discontent over the dictatorship of Santa Anna. Though many of the names we now identify with the Texas Revolution belonged to former Americans, there were many ethnic Mexicans who also rebelled. This was not a land grab, but rather the inhabitants of the region casting off an oppressive Mexican regime.

    Here are some websites with a little bit of biographical and other information on some of the Tejano patriots who joined in the Texas War of Independence:

    http://www.tamu.edu/ccbn/dewitt/tejanopatriots.htm

    http://www.seguindescendantshp.com/tejanoheroes.html

    http://www.houstonculture.org/hispanic/alamo.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasCowgirl
    And what do these "poor" people do once work is done for the day? Watch the second video down to find out.

    http://www.immigrationwatchdog.com/?p=1642

    I guess this is acceptable behavior for Mr. Left............

    Good video makes a graphic point. Thanks for sharing it .
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    And just remember - that is just one of MANY in california.
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    Crocket,

    Thanks for covering my back buddy. I knew when he messed with Texas that you would set him strait. I noticed the old stats he was using too. I'm not going to waste my time, since you covered it well.

    Don't be too hard on him Crocket. He got his history lesson from GW's campaing video. MrLeft, don't listen to GW, his historical remarks are all wrong.

    Crocket, I guess the US Government owns Mexico City and all the locations we conqured getting to the interior of Mexico too, since we once flew a flag on the capital. Yes, America has conqured Mexico. MrLeft should have remembered that. In fact, the US conqured Mexico about 10 years after Texas gained it's independence. Santa Anna got "whipped" twice.

    The most decorated Iowa soldier of the war was Benjamin S. Roberts of Fort Madison. Roberts went into the army as a lieutenant of mounted volunteers, at the beginning of the war. He was in General Scott’s army and participated in all of its battles. He led the advance into Mexico City and pulled down the Mexican flag with his own hands. He was promoted to lieutenant colonel. In 1849, the Iowa legislature voted him a sword in honor of his courageous service.
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    TexasCowgirl. Oh that video was bad.

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