Thread: Israeli Right Wing Celebrates Trump and the End of the Two-State Solution

Israeli Right Wing Celebrates Trump and the End of the Two-State Solution

by Richard Engel and Marc Smith
Feb 15 2017, 7:22 pm ET

BEIT EL, West Bank — Hagi Ben Artzi, one of the founders of the Beit El Jewish settlement in the West Bank, struggles to contain his excitement when talking about President Donald Trump. "I felt that this is a miracle, a miracle!" he said, calling Trump's election "a gift from God."Ben Artzi, who is also Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's brother-in-law, sees Israel expanding its borders during Trump's presidency.

"The land of Israel from the sea, from the Mediterranean to the Jordan River, should be under Israeli sovereignty," he said.

Ben Artzi may have reason to be hopeful. Trump said Wednesday that he's not wedded to a peace process that leads to a Palestinian state — the so-called two-state solution that has been the basis for the U.S.-backed negotiations for decades.

"I'm looking at two states and one state, and I like the one both parties like," Trump said at a joint White House news conference with Netanyahu. "I can live with either one."

Standing at a podium beside Trump, Netanyahu made it clear he doesn't see a Palestinian state's taking shape, insisting that Israel must maintain security control over territories west of the Jordan River, an area that includes all of the West Bank.

Otherwise, "we'll get another radical Islamic terrorist state in the Palestinian areas exploding the peace, exploding the Middle East," Netanyahu said.

Settlers and right-wing Israeli politicians celebrated the prime minister's statement.

A spokesperson for Education Minister Naftali Bennett, leader of the right-wing Jewish Home Party, said in a written statement: "The Palestinian flag was today lowered from the mast and replaced with the Israeli flag. The Palestinians already have two states: in Gaza and in Jordan. There is no need for a third one."

Palestinians, however, said that if Israel absorbs the West Bank, they should be given the same rights as Israelis, including the right to vote.

"There is and will be one state between the river and the sea encompassing millions of Israelis and Palestinians," said Yousef Munayyer, executive director of the US Campaign for Palestinian Rights. "The question now is what sort of state will that be — one of full equality or an apartheid state?"

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Palestinians, however, said that if Israel absorbs the West Bank, they should be given the same rights as Israelis, including the right to vote.

"There is and will be one state between the river and the sea encompassing millions of Israelis and Palestinians," said Yousef Munayyer, executive director of the US Campaign for Palestinian Rights. "The question now is what sort of state will that be — one of full equality or an apartheid state?"

Gee, from the enthusiasm from the Israelis about one state and these very fair and legitimate questions posed by the Palestinians, I have to say this sounds very promising. I would think the right to vote and forbid any type of partheid in Israel would be a simple eough thing to work out, right?

Originally Posted by Judy

Gee, from the enthusiasm from the Israelis about one state and these very fair and legitimate questions posed by the Palestinians, I have to say this sounds very promising. I would think the right to vote and forbid any type of partheid in Israel would be a simple eough thing to work out, right?

In a single state model, if the Palestinians want the right to vote, then zones of Palestinian populations will be subject to Israeli law and government.

More likely Palestinian population areas will be autonomous areas that govern themselves much like they do now, but will be subject to Israeli security administrations.

The Two State model was never legitimate and had no future. Palestinian Nationalism is an antisemitic cult and has no culture outside of killing Jews and the destruction of Israel. It has never been anything more than a synthesis born of the work of Amin al Husseini, the old mufti of Jerusalem and ally of the Nazi Third Reich.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing, they could be a province of Israel or a sovereign state like our states, like French provinces and our states. They could have tremendous authority for their own provincial or state laws but like here and in France with the freedom to move throughout the country, to work in Israel, to shop in Israel, do business in Israel. It could be a two-state nation, subject to some national laws to protect civil rights, regulate commerce and education, defense, and so forth.

People have to remember that Jews and Palestinians all lived together for thousands of years. During WWII and especially afterwards, the Palestinians opened their arms to the Jews fleeing Germany and other countries. But the Jews as they accumulated there began to discriminate against the Palestinians who had welcomed them. Then they took over the country and refused to hire Palestinians in their business and were really very cruel to them.

Then the American and European Zionists starting pouring in and completely took over. And that's who the settlements are being built for, it's not Israelis, it's for Americans and Europeans moving there.

It's crazy what's been going on there. Trump can fix this because the Palestinians and Jews of that part of the country lived together for thousands of years. It was like Catholics and Baptists living together in the same country possibly better when you get down to it. So there is nothing age old about this dispute. This is a modern dispute created after WWII. So the natives know peace is possible and a tranquil nation is well within the grasp as one nation, the way it used to be.

Everywhere we've involved ourselves we've always wanted to "separate", "divide". Vietnam. Korea. Iraq (3 state plan). We just need to keep our noses out of it, act as a mediator and let the people it impacts work it out. This is what Trump is going to do, "what you want is what we want". Of course that's driving the "separatists" in our country crazy, these are all the same people who supported segregation in the United States as if Jews and Palestinians are of separate races or something. No, they're all Semites. Some people think of a Semite as being a Jew, no, Semites are Palestinians, Arabs, Jews, etc. Iranians are not, they're Persian.

Let the people work it out. The native people of Israel and Palestine. They know what to do because they know what they want. They want peace, prosperity and happiness like everyone else.

None of that is true. Palestinian self identity did not exist before Amin al Husseini. It was a complete antisemitic fabrication, much like The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, designed to slander and incite hatred against Jews.

In the early days of Zionism, the calls were to return to Palestine and the early Zionists called themselves Palestinians, the only people in the region interested in calling themselves that. It wasn't until the Jews began organizing a state in interest that they realized the name "Palestine" itself, even before the fake ethos of Palestinian Nationalists, was a name falsely attributed to the area by the Roman Empire who destroyed the original Israel and drove the Jews into exile. The Roman Empire also hoped to slander the Jews and obscure their history there.

By the time the Jews finally birthed a Jewish state, there was no other proper name for it or the region or for anyone claiming roots in the region and they called it Israel. Any other name for the area is a fraud, especially "Palestine" and so are any other claims to the land.

Israel exists for the Jewish people who were unjustly driven into exile by the Roman Empire and kept in brutal subjugation by its heirs. Where Jews continue to live in fear in the world, they always have hope in the resurrection of their homeland, Israel.

For the rest of us who witness this, we can see there is justice in the world for those who remember true and stand by the truth.

Am Yisrael Chai!

I'm not much of a history buff, but the way I see it is that Jews lived in Israel 2,000 years ago, got kicked out by the Romans, and then Arabs squatted on the deserted land. Now, a 1 state solution sounds about right. The "Palestians", who are Arabs originating from Saudi Arabia, can live with the Jews in a 1 state solution, or go back to Saudi Arabia to live among their brethren. Like I said, I'm not a history buff, but it sounds pretty cut and dry to me.

And I applaud Trump for standing by Israel, unlike Obama. And one thing I don't understand, is why media moguls, like the CEO of CNN, who is Jewish, is so anti-Trump. But these same Jewish people in the media kept their mouth shut during the Obama years, even though Obama was so hostile to Israel. I don't get it. Maybe one day people like American Jews and African Americans will realize that it's the Republicans who have their best interests at heart and not the lying and deceiving democrats.