Thread: Lou DObbs says 3.6 million in America over stay Visa

Lou Dobbs is reporting that 3.6 million illegal aliens are in America right now after simply overstaying their visas. The source is Department of Homeland Security. Only 51 agents assisgned to looking for them.

Just like some of the 9/11 attackers.

Few apprehensions.

W

That report was just astonishing. Can you IMAGINE only 51 agents trying to deal with almost FOUR MILLION "overstays"?? That is just beyond imaginable. Yet another example of how serious this administration is in enforcing the law re immigration. All of the tough talk last week from Bush and Chertoff is just a veiled effort to try to force through the guest worker program that Bush has been DREAMING about for years. He is once again going to try to pull the wool over the eyes of the American people. I truly hope that the, based on what is FINALLY coming out about how they "fixed" the intelligence in order to push us into a war in Iraq, the American people will not be so blind as they were with that little issue.

My sincere hope is that Patrick Fitzgerald's investigation exposes all of Bush's cronies for the liars that they are and that, in so doing, will make the American people really look DEEP before jumping onto any more of his bandwagons.

A sad thing I heard on the radio yesterday Bootsie, a man that worked in the government was making mention about how they are told and required to write everything that is published to the public to be written on a 8th grade level, and that they honestly and truly believe the people are stupid.

You know--that is just SO INSULTING, rakishoner. IMHO, MOST American people actually have more intelligence than the man we call President so I guess they are just instructing the employees to write it in a way the the PRESIDENT could understand!!!

Lou Dobbs is reporting that 3.6 million illegal aliens are in America right now after simply overstaying their visas. The source is Department of Homeland Security. Only 51 agents assisgned to looking for them.

Does anyone know if arrest warrents are issued for these people and/or are they entered in into NCIC (National Crime Information Center) computers?

All I remember hearing is that maybe something over 1000 have been arrested. You can find the transcript on the CNN website under Lou Dobbs' show and it will tell you the details.

Originally Posted by Bootsie

You know--that is just SO INSULTING, rakishoner. IMHO, MOST American people actually have more intelligence than the man we call President so I guess they are just instructing the employees to write it in a way the the PRESIDENT could understand!!!

That is why I give them a single finger salute ,,|,

Booshie boi is a simple monkey in a suit and is led by the strings which he is obligated by. How many little "aids" does he have to read/write and translate information for him?

There should be a full transcript avail over on the Lou Dobbs site.

W

When we go to Colombia once a year we stay at a guesthouse one block from the US Embassy (the one I can't work at but a Colombian national can!). The lady who rents rooms, a really nice lady who has no desire to leave Colombia, has a son that was in the US on a TOURIST Visa. He returned to Colombia from Miami only a week before the visa was to expire. When he went to renew the VISA the Embassy rejected him! Why? Well, he could have just stayed in Miami but if he ever did go back to Colombia he would never get a visa for tourism in at least 10 years. So he did try to do the right thing by returning. So why was the visa renewal denied? Well, a tourist visa is good for 6 months. If a US Embassy citizen official (A citizen like me but I can't work there?) sees that he spent more than say a few weeks in the US then that official will think that he had to be working in order to stay that long. You cannot work on a tourist visa legally. If you stayed 6 months and left just before the visa expired how would you support yourself for six months? So embassy official, to their credit, put two and two together and say no! This ladies son was selling art work in the US thereby violating the terms of his TOURIST visa!

When I lived in LA I met a young Peruvian who said he was visiting his aunt who I knew from the church. He said he was studying at the Monterrey Institute in Monterrey Mexico and I don't think he would have made that up! SO, he comes up to LA to visit aunt and guess where I see him a few days later? Working at the local McDonald's. Either he lied and was illegal from the get go and or he should not have been working if he entered to visit his aunt! Another violation of a specific visa for a specific purpose but hey they don't give a rat's you know what!

Everybody gets in people unless they die in the dessert and or their boat capsizes off of Puerto Rico. Legally and or illegally they all seem to be getting in...sooner or later!

Below is the transcript from Lou Dobbs show from Monday, October 24th:

Also in Washington today, a stunning report from the Department of Homeland Security. 3,600,000 foreigners are in this country illegally not because they crossed our borders illegally, but because their visas have expired. That's roughly the entire population of the city of Los Angeles.

At time of the report, there were just 51, that's right, just 51 inspectors charged with the responsibility of going after those almost four million foreigners who have overstayed their visas. By the way, those 51 inspectors would be roughly the size of an NFL football team in Los Angeles if Los Angeles had a team.

What the report means that there is virtually zero chance that any of those illegal aliens will be caught. Christine Romans has the report.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

CHRISTINE ROMANS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Visa holders who overstay exit date in this country can easily disappear into American life with little risk from immigration authorities. A report from the Homeland Security inspector general estimates at least 3.6 million illegal aliens are people here who overstayed their visas. Yet last year, there were only 51 agents dedicated to tracking visa violators.

REP. J.D. HAYWORTH, (R) ARIZONA: If there are so-called good people overstaying their visas, there are really bad people too. And more than just your garden variety of criminal, probably in that group, sad to say, are those folks who belong to terrorist cells who mean to do us harm.

ROMANS: Immigration and Customs Enforcement received more than 300,000 leads last year on visa violators. The inspector general found authorities investigated just over 4,000 and apprehended only 671.

The report found, quote, "efforts to identify visa violators and overstays results in few apprehensions. And actual removal of visa violators is minuscule." ICE counters that it's numbers are slightly higher. It says its apprehended 1400 visa violators and thousands of additional investigations are under way.

Still, the inspector general found investigations, when they occur, can take up to two months because of vague performance measures and inefficiency in the work flow process. Work flow in the two-year- old agency that looks like this.

The report finds "these delays allow visa violators to avoid apprehension and disappear into the U.S. population."

ICE defends its compliance enforcement unit by saying it was created only after September 11 to target national security threats.

Quote, "there are millions of leads, where do you start? With a dishwasher or with someone with a HAZMAT license and access to a port?"

(END VIDEOTAPE)

ROMANS: ICE says the unit has apprehended a fuel truck driver with a HAZMAT license and a member of a terrorist organization and wanted sex offenders. ICE says, at the time of the inspector general's report last year, the agency was funded for only 50 positions to track down the high risk visa violators. Today there are more than 230 personnel in that unit.

And, ICE says, contrary to the inspector general's report, this unit is not the only one arresting visa violators, they say any immigration agent can. But keep in mind, there are at least 3.6 million people in this country who overstayed their visa a couple of hundred, a couple of thousand agents, you're not going to do much good on that.

DOBBS: Our federal employees do a magnificent job, but to ask 51 or 70 or 200 and some odd men and women to go after 3.6 million illegal aliens who have overstayed their visa, the visa that have expired, that absurdity even by federal government standards.

ROMANS: And Congressman J.D. Hayworth pointed out, it's public policy triage that they have to just go after the high risk individuals, because there are simply so many, there's no way humanly possible, you could be effective at that job. That's what Congressman Hayworth said. But he also points out that you don't know who is a public -- who is a risk. You just don't know, with 301,000 leads just for this one unit last year, any one of those could have been a risk.

DOBBS: So we're at a situation now where the federal government, not the State Department, not Homeland Security, not any department knows where those 3.6 million people are. They don't know where the database leads them. They don't know which database they're in, nor how to track them, and we only have fewer than 300 people at least to go after 3.6 million people.

ROMANS: In some cases, these are just closed because they don't have an address on record for some of these people, according to the inspector general.

DOBBS: And it takes how long to grant a visa and how long to run down one of these so-called overstays -- I love that word, overstay.

ROMANS: It takes about 30 minutes to grant a legal permanent residency, a green card. It takes about two months to investigate whether somebody overstayed, if there is an investigation.

DOBBS: We won't do the extrapolation on two months for each of 3.6 million violators, but that is remarkable. This is a government that's out of control, an immigration policy that doesn't exist. And one of the most, I think, criminally negligent attitudes on the part of this administration toward national security. This is nothing more than a raw and bad joke on the American people.

ROMANS: Can you imagine if you're one of these people out there and it's your job to track these people down? And you just, you know.

DOBBS: It's insufferable. The position we're putting them in, and the position we're putting the lives and the well-being of Americans in. It shouldn't be tolerated, but that it goes on is abysmal. Christine Romans, as always, thank you.

That brings us to the topic of our poll tonight -- do you believe the Department of Homeland Security should immediately learn the identity and location of those whose visas have expired, to assure our national security? Vote yes or no, cast your vote at loudobbs.com. We'll have the results coming up here in just a matter of moments.