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    Trump Scores Another Win, With New Poll Showing More Voters Want Merit-Based Immigrat

    Trump Scores Another Win, With New Poll Showing More Voters Want Merit-Based Immigration

    Jul 02, 2018 1:15 PM



    Well, the Trump White House has another chapter of good news for its immigration policy: more voters want a merit-based system. Now, for months polls have shown that voters are warm to this shift, which has even captured the support of 72 percent of Hispanic voters. One cannot forget the media’s absurd reaction to this announcement, which led to this epic showdown between CNN’s Jim Acosta and White House Senior Adviser Stephen Miller last August. To make a long story short, Miller took Acosta to the woodshed—and it wouldn’t be the first time Trump officials have straight up owned CNN for their serial errors in covering this White House.



    This weekend, Americans nationwide protested against the separation of immigrant families at the U.S.-Mexico border. Despite outrage over the current border crisis, more voters now think a merit-based immigration system should win out over the current family-based one.

    A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 50% of Likely U.S. Voters now favor moving to a merit-based system for legal immigration that brings in legal immigrants based on their skills. Support for merit-based immigration has been on the rise since President Trump first proposed it in April of last year. Thirty-four percent (34%) of voters prefer to keep the existing family-based system, showing little change from previous surveys, but 16% are undecided.

    To counter Democratic attacks that this change in immigration policy is racist or not compassionate, circle back to this CNBC piece by Jake Novak, where he makes an argument on how merit-based immigration might not only be compassionate as well, but also a national priority:

    Perhaps that argument could best be made by the growing number of experts warning the nation about the dangerous scenario we're facing with an aging population and fewer primary care doctors to treat them. A report released in March by the Association of American Medical Colleges estimate that there could be a shortage of as many as 43,100 primary care physicians by 2030. The reason is simple in that it costs so much money, time, and effort to become a primary care doctor, and the pay is relatively low compared to those costs. Merit-based immigration policies can make a major dent in this area, especially since so many foreign-born and foreign-trained doctors don't carry massive student debt and many of the other financial barriers to entry to medicine native-born Americans do. This one argument alone should be at the forefront of any merit-based immigration policy, as the specter of millions of Americans unable to even find a doctor when they need one ranks pretty high on the "compassionate reasons meter."

    Of course, the medical needs are just the low-hanging fruit. It will take a little more political and messaging skill to explain why refocusing our immigration policies to bring in more technically-skilled workers is more compassionate for the entire country. But, indeed, it is. The first part of the argument is that if U.S.-based companies cannot fill the growing number of hard-to-fill tech jobs, they will have the natural inclination to move overseas or go out of business entirely.

    The second part of the argument gets us closer to the compassion theme. That's the argument that unfilled tech jobs will have an impact on other businesses that cater to tech companies and their employees. Think about it: Every empty desk or office at a tech company is one less employee buying work clothes, grabbing lunch at the fast-food place at the corner, or taking an Uber home. In fact, according to Glassdoor Chief Economist Andrew Chamberlain, the overall value to our broader economy of the approximately 263,586 unfilled IT jobs posted by employers in the U.S. adds up to $20.1 billion. That's a lot of compassion.

    If the proponents of our current family-based immigration policy believe they own the compassion card, they need to explain why importing millions of unskilled immigrants into this country without a corresponding number of higher-paid skilled people to provide them with work opportunities is so compassionate. And they also need to explain why it would be compassionate to add to the growing number of Americans of all kinds struggling to find a doctor.

    Republicans need to get better at the messaging. Right now, two things are keeping us on track: President Trump’s efficient use of the bully pulpit and Democratic hysteria driving them into the extremes national policy. They can’t bank on that alone.

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattve...ation-n2496563
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    We don't need immigrants to fill high-tech spots or doctor spots. We need to expand our medical schools, allow more Americans to attend medical school. We need to get more Americans into college by disallowing illegal aliens and so many student visas. That's been the case with all skilled shortages for years. Just expand our medical schools, colleges and trade schools, stupid!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    We need to expand our medical schools, allow more Americans to attend medical school.
    Is that by throwing more government money to those leftist schools? Getting more Americans to attend school, does that mean lowering the standards? As the article noted, pay for Primary Care doctors is not that great, so what is the attraction for those American students? I have several specialists, and it is much more confusing than when I had one doctor who did everything. I had a recent problem, and wondered which doctor to call. Fortunately I had my dialysis nurse to advise me. Our educational system K-12 is so lacking, fewer are qualified for college. And doctors who can't read, is that a win?

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    We need to get more Americans into college by disallowing illegal aliens and so many student visas. That's been the case with all skilled shortages for years.
    Most of my best doctors have been immigrants. My childhood doctor was Greek. Couldn't understand his broken English, but he was good. It is attitude, not training. A good cop versus a bad cop is their motivation. If they want to bully people, that's bad. If they got in to serve, that is good. Same for most professions. And that is something they get from their childhood environment.

    Many immigrant doctors are better motivated than Americans who grew up in luxury, with the aim of getting rich as a doctor or lawyer. It isn't an inspiration to help people.

    Of my five doctors, my Nephrologist and new Cardiac specialist are the best ones. Both are very thorough. My Nephrologist first met me in the Emergency room. He has a boomey voice, and he introduced himself saying "We are gonna see a lot of each other." His partner, who alternates with him, can't even remember my name. I have watched my doctor with other patients in the clinic and he sticks with them until he has done all he can. When I went to PD treatment, I had to choose one physician. Hands down it was him. And even when he was recently consulting with me, he took 15 minutes continuing dealing with the previous patient who he had prescribe a medicine to. He called two different pharmacists asking if the patient could have an allergic reaction to the drug. Having the patient waiting in the waiting room, he had the nurse get the prescription back when the pharmacists said it could. He had to find another compatible drug. After all that, he turned to me. Most of my doctors are eager to move on tho the next patient. There just aren't that many caring physicians these days.

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    Just expand our medical schools, colleges and trade schools, stupid!!
    Trade schools are better for many occupations, but medicine takes a special type student who can keep up to date with new procedures and medicines. If you weren't taught good study techniques in high school, it is hard to catch up in college. In my clinic, most of the workers are "Technicians". They went through a six month course to learn how to stick a needle in my arm and setup the machines. A fully qualified nurse has to have a year of training to qualify as a dialysis nurse. One of my technicians, who has been there ever since I started dialysis, just got qualified as a nurse. He applied for and was accepted at the hospital that I spent six week in. You need dedication. It's not just a job.

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    I do not want ANY immigration for 10 years!

    These "merit" based immigrants can STAY HOME and make their own country great!

    Why should we take their "best"? We don't need them any more than we NEED their "worst". We have our OWN best and worst. Stop bringing more here!

    Put the trades back into our schools Grades 9-12 and give these kids some basic skills to get jobs and onto a 1 or 2 year Certificate program!

    Overhaul the entire education system and start teaching these kids responsibility and work! Programs with different fields for a CAREER. Not everybody needs a $150,000 college degree and massive debt.

    All taxpayer funded schools need to go to a uniform of Khaki pants, tennis shoes and Polo shirt the schools choice of color. Our kids dress like trash, complain who wears what on their T-shirts...knock it all off and get back to education. Not a fashion show. Do not like it, your religion against the uniform...then GO pay for your own school anywhere YOU like on your dime.
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    I completely agree Beezer. They should have never dropped it to begin with. They also need to restore vocational technical training in these 2 year community colleges like we used to have.
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    Primary care doctors and family physicians salaries are up in the US and they were earning on average around $194,000 a year in 2015, I'm sure that's up even more now. Not getting rich but have very good livings, lots of benefits. Surgeons and specialists make a lot more.

    https://www.aafp.org/news/practice-p...aryreport.html

    If they would expand medical schools and restrict foreign attendance/competition with our students, we would have far better doctors and a much better medical care system and like all professions, when you aren't being undercut by lower priced immigration, salaries increase and when that happens more Americans enter the profession.
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