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    More Chamber of Commerce Lies

    EWIC Essential Worker Immigration Coalition
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    Brief Note:
    Undocumented workers often present potential employers with false documents in order
    to secure a job. Employers must accept these documents if they are "facially valid," and
    employers are not permitted to ask for additional documentation of an applicant's
    authorization to work. Once hired, these workers typically are treated like any other,
    with Social Security and income taxes withheld.
    • It is estimated seven million illegal immigrant workers in the U.S. are providing
    the Social Security system with a subsidy of as much as $7 billion a year.
    • The Social Security Administration’s chief actuary estimates that three quarters
    of undocumented immigrants pay Social Security tax, an estimate that makes
    undocumented workers responsible for about 1.5% of total wages reported to the
    • More than $519 billion in wages has been reported to the Social Security
    Administration but can't be matched with workers.
    o The total is presumed to reflect the large number of illegal immigrants
    working in the country using fake Social Security cards.
    • In 2002 alone nine million W-2's with incorrect Social Security numbers landed in
    the suspense file, accounting for $56 billion in earnings, which is 1.5 percent of
    total reported wages.
    • In 2004, undocumented workers illegally hired by U.S. businesses contributed $7
    billion to Social Security and $1.5 billion to Medicare.
    • Should will allow for earned legalization, thereby bringing the underground illegal
    population to the surface, the contributions to Social Security would increase

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    was Georgia - now Arizona
    And if those jobs were held by higher-paid American citizens the amount collected would double!

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    This is a crock! I know people who work beside these people everyday and do the same job and at the end of the week when the paychecks are passed out the illegals paychecks are more because taxes are not withheld.

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    Can Immigrants Save Social Security?

    By Edwin S. Rubenstein
    August 2002


    According to the latest Annual Report of the Social Security Trust Fund, payroll taxes will be insufficient to cover promised benefits starting in the year 2016. That year’s shortfall will be more than $20 billion. By 2020 the funding gap balloons to $99 billion. The Social Security “problem” is largely demographic: Baby boomers will start to retire en mass shortly after 2010, leaving fewer workers to pay into the system. If present trends continue, either: payroll taxes must rise, pension amounts must fall, or both.

    Many people believe that foreign workers offer a fairly painless way out of the Social Security dilemma. Immigrants pay billions in payroll taxes. Many, especially illegals, do not stick around to receive retirement benefits. Even non-U.S. citizens are required to pay Social Security taxes on income earned in the U.S. unless specifically exempt. So on balance immigrants and guest workers are a positive for the Social Security System, and by increasing their numbers we can reduce the funding shortfall. At least that’s the assumption.

    In reality many foreign workers, including highly-skilled employees here on H-1b visas, pay no Social Security taxes whatsoever. Since the 1970s the Social Security Administration has concluded so-called “Totalization Agreements” with about 18 different countries, under which foreign workers may have their Social Security deductions sent to their home country program (rather than the SSA), and vice-versa. One of the primary objectives of the agreements is to eliminate dual Social Security taxation as would occur when a worker sent to the U.S. by his employer must pay tax to both the United States and his home country.

    The agreements also protect people who have worked in both the U.S. and another country, but have not worked long enough in one country or the other to qualify for Social Security benefits. A U.S. worker employed temporarily in Canada, for example, shouldn’t lose those quarters of employment vis a vis our SS system. Their contributions don’t end up in the host country’s coffer, but the employer is still obliged to pay them.

    The U.S. collects the Totalization taxes for each foreign worker who has asked for totalization benefits and then a massive transfer of funds is made between the two governments. Therefore, although the H-1b pays a tax, they contribute nothing to the U.S. Social Security Trust Fund. Whether they pay more or less in pension contributions depends on the policies of their home country and the specifics of the Totalization agreement. It a sure bet that most of the time the Totalization tax is less than what would have been paid to SS, so that the U.S. company saves money.

    Currently the United States has Totalization agreements with 18 countries that allow H-1Bs to be exempted from Social Security . These countries include Austria, Belgium, Canada, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Italy, Korea (South), Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland and the United Kingdom. Chile will soon have one. Of course if an Indian, as an example, immigrates to the UK or Canada and then gets their H-1B they may be eligible for an exemption.

    India and China – which are the home countries of more than half of all H-1bs - are conspicuously absent from the list of nations covered by Totalization agreements, and for a very good reason:. They have no Social Security systems. Exempting an Indian or Chinese H-1b from paying Social Security taxes would mean they would pay no Social Security taxes at all. That would be an insuperable competitive advantage for those H-1bs and the companies that hire them. American workers with equal skills would be passed over in favor of tax exempt foreigners.

    Yet such blatant tax discrimination takes place routinely in the American workforce. The machinations under which H-1b’s avoid paying Social SecurityTaxes.are described in “The Great American Tax Dodge,” by Donald L. Barlett and James B. Steele

    Visit most any large American company, say Barlett and Steele, and you’ll find two types of people working on the same computer project. One is a permanent company employee who pays taxes through withholding. The other a temporary foreign employee who enjoys the kind of payday that an American worker can only dream about – a full paycheck with zero deductions.

    How is it done? Consulting and contracting firms recruit so-called temporary workers in other countries, especially India, and bring them to the United States under the H-1b program. They farm out these foreign programmers to large U.S. companies that do not want to add permanent employees to their payrolls or to replace higher-paid American workers whose jobs have been eliminated. Still other clients are state governments that contract out computer work.

    Because they are employed by the consulting firm that recruited them, many of these foreign workers are paid either in cash or by check – and no money is withheld for U.S. income tax, Social Security, Medicare, state, or local taxes. What’s more, they often live in rent-free apartments with free meals, all courtesy of the consulting firm that hired them. Still others receive a paycheck that is banked in India, and, while they’re living and working in this country, they’re paid an "allowance" that is also free of all U.S. taxes.

    This widespread practice surfaced during a little-noticed civil lawsuit in which one consulting firm accused another of raiding its employees from India. The legal action was filed by Tata Consultancy Services, a division of Tata Sons Ltd., of Bombay, against Syntel Inc. of Detroit in U.S. District Court in Detroit in 1990. The dispute dragged on for years, during which time numerous Tata and Syntel employees, most of whom had come to the United States from India on temporary visas, testified about the tax-free life of foreign programmers.

    Among those questioned was Sujatha Subramanian, a female programmer from India, who, like others, was brought to the United States by Tata but later left to join Syntel. Technically, she was employed by a company in India called Leading Edge, which subcontracted her to Syntel, which assigned her to computer projects at Ford and Chrysler. She received a paycheck from Leading Edge that was deposited in rupees in a bank in India and she received a living allowance from Syntel in U.S. dollars. The following exchange is with a Tata lawyer.

    Attorney: What other kind of benefits are you receiving?

    Subramanian: None from Syntel.

    Attorney: None? Do you get your cost of living allowance from them?

    Subramanian: Yes. And I’m covered by health, covered for health and medical. . . .

    Attorney: Do you pay taxes here in the United States?

    Subramanian: No.

    Attorney: Only in India?

    Subramanian: Yes. . . .

    None of this is to suggest that every Syntel programmer pays no taxes. Some eventually go on the company payroll and are treated like other permanent workers – taxes are withheld from their paychecks. But court records show that for many, such is not the case. In this, Syntel is not alone.

    In 1998, an Indian programmer in Chicago, worried that he might lose his bid for American citizenship, wrote a letter to the U.S. Department of Labor expressing concern over his off-the-books income.

    Employed by a computer consulting firm in Chicago and farmed out to Ameritech, the programmer explained that when he came to this country he had been compelled to become part of a complex scheme by the consulting firm to evade taxes. He was not clear on all the elements that made up the fraud, but a key component was that his pay came partly in cash:

    When interviewed by Barlett and Steele he said: “They told me that in this way neither they have to pay taxes nor I have to pay taxes on that amount. When I objected it, they told me that most of the other employees are paid in similar way. I asked my couple of colleagues . . . everyone communicated that they are paid in same way. Part of the payment [almost 30 percent of the salary] they receive is not taxable and paid to them every month. Now I realize that this practice . . . is illegal. I don’t want to be part of this system, but presently I do not have any alternatives.”

    Where, you might ask, is the IRS in all of this? The answer is: Nowhere. "Immigration is a big problem for IRS," a former high-level Treasury Department official confided to Barlett and Steele. "It doesn’t know how to track foreign workers."

    An estimated 500,000 foreigners are in the U.S. on temporary H-1B visas under the 50-year-old program designed to fill employer needs unmet by U.S. residents for professionals and specialists with a bachelor's or higher degree, including architects, engineers, accountants, doctors, college professors and even fashion models. Nearly 54% are involved in computer-related fields, according to a recent federal study. Their median income is about $50,000, and half are expected to earn between $40,000 and $60,000.

    Admittedly, H-1B’s represent a narrow slice of the immigrant workforce. (Technically they are “guest workers” rather than immigrants.) But their high earnings makes them valuable potential contributors to Social Security. With median income of $50,000, the half million H-1Bs could potentially contribute $1.9 billion to the pension system, or enough to fund benefits for more than 95,000 retirees.

    Foregone payroll taxes are just the tip of the iceberg. H-1b’s are entitled to every social service funded by U.S. taxpayers. They use our city parks, roads, and other infrastructure. And after working six years without paying Social Security taxes many H-1bs get Green Cards, qualifying them for Social Security benefits when they retire. No effort is made to collect back payroll taxes. And what about those American workers who lose their jobs, their health insurance, and Social Security points because companies prefer the cheaper H-1bs?.

    Recent immigration laws have raised the H-1B quota and made it easier for displaced H-1Bs to stay in the country. That’s good for companies that employ guest workers, but ordinary Americans and their Social Security System are worse off because of it.

    Edwin S. Rubenstein is an economist and Director of Research for the Hudson Institute. ... SaveSS.htm
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    Examining a Lopsided Agreement with Mexico

    September 2004

    By Marti Dinerstein

    Executive Summary
    Since the late 1970s, the United States has entered into a series of bilateral “totalization” agreements that coordinate the U.S. Social Security program with the comparable programs of other countries. To date, 20 such agreements are in force. They have been financially beneficial to U.S. workers and their employers and the associated social security payments to foreign nationals have been reasonable. As such, totalization agreements have been non-controversial. Congress has never voted to disapprove one.

    But the proposed totalization agreement with Mexico is profoundly different from prior agreements in four important ways:

    1. One-sided. Unlike the 20 existing agreements, a totalization agreement with Mexico would be one-sided. Its beneficial effects to U.S. workers would be miniscule compared to those received by potentially millions of Mexicans. It is expected that the totalization agreement with Mexico would:

    Provide only modest tax savings for American workers and their employers compared to other totalization agreements.

    Entice Mexicans to remain in the United States for the 10 years it takes to vest for U.S. Social Security (versus 24 in Mexico) in order to maximize their retirement income. The United States pays out far more to low-wage workers than they contribute to the system. In contrast, Mexico only pays out what was contributed, plus accrued interest.

    Permit Mexicans to return home and have their spouses and dependents receive U.S. Social Security benefits they would not have been entitled to without a totalization agreement.

    Permit partial Social Security benefits to be paid to those who worked in the United States as little as 18 months (six quarters).

    Eventually compel the United States to pay out billions in retirement benefits to Mexicans for credits they acquired while using fraudulent Social Security numbers prior to obtaining legal status.

    Lure even more Mexicans into the United States illegally in the hopes they would obtain amnesty, thereby making themselves and their families eligible to receive U.S. Social Security benefits once the worker returned to Mexico and reached retirement age.
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    More than $519 billion in wages has been reported to the Social Security Administration but can't be matched with workers.
    That doesn't mean anything. A lot of that money is probably mine, given that I have no SSN and do not participate in the Social Security program, yet am an American born on Texas soil. The money is collected through "backup withholding" when I work contract for companies that are convinced they are required to collect it. Basically, all wage deductions are made at the maximum rate, but a person with no SSN has no means to obtain a refund because filing for a refund requires an SSN. There are plenty of people like me who are actual citizens of this country.

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