Muslims Say Use Koran Instead of Bible in Courtrooms

From U.S. Newswire and ADF...

The Insanity Continues...

CAIR Asks N.C. Judges to Allow Use of Quran In Oaths; Exclusive Use of Bible Called 'State Endorsement of Religion'

6/21/2005 1:28:00 PM

To: State Desk

Contact: Arsalan Iftikhar, 202-488-8787 or 202-415-0799; Ibrahim Hooper, 202-488-8787 or 202-744-7726 or ihooper@cair-net.org, both of the Council on American-Islamic Relations

WASHINGTON, June 21 /U.S. Newswire/ -- A prominent national Islamic civil rights and advocacy group today called on judges meeting this week in North Carolina to allow use of the Quran, Islam's revealed text, when administering oaths.

The Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) said the current exclusive use of the Bible may be an inappropriate state endorsement of religion.

CAIR issued its call after Guilford County judges said they would not allow use of Qurans in their courtrooms. "An oath on the Quran is not a lawful oath under our law," said W. Douglas Albright, Guilford's senior resident Superior Court judge. State law only refers to swearing an oath by putting a hand on the "Holy Scriptures." Those who do not wish to take an oath using the Bible may instead make an "affirmation."

A preliminary opinion last week by North Carolina's Administrative Office of the Courts said that state law allows people to be sworn in using a Quran rather than a Bible.

SEE: "N.C. Judges Face Quran Question" http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/ ... 3148.shtml "Judges Question Use of Quran in Taking Oaths" http://www.news-record.com/news/local/q ... online.htm

"By stating that only one book qualifies as 'Holy Scriptures,' the court may be making an inappropriate endorsement of a single set of religious beliefs," said CAIR Legal Director Arsalan Iftikhar. "Eliminating the opportunity to swear an oath on one's own holy text may also have the effect of diminishing the credibility of that person's testimony."

Iftikhar said CAIR will offer a free copy of the Quran to any judge in North Carolina or throughout the United States for use in oaths or for personal awareness of the holy text. Judges or other court officials may order a free Quran by visiting: http://www.explorethequran.org

CAIR, America's largest Muslim civil liberties group, has 31 offices and chapters nationwide and in Canada. Its mission is to enhance understanding of Islam, encourage dialogue, protect civil liberties, empower American Muslims, and build coalitions that promote justice and mutual understanding.

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That is the way it is done in THIS country. If they don't like it, leave!

Yes, they want to change American and American laws to re-invent the hell-holes they left. If they liked it so well there why don't they just go back?? They're beginning to piss us off.

RR

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"Eliminating the opportunity to swear an oath on one's own holy text may also have the effect of diminishing the credibility of that person's testimony."

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Precisely. That's what we want.

next we will have to change all currency to read "In Allah we trust"

they can always "confirm" if they don't want to swear on the Bible.

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The Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) said the current exclusive use of the Bible may be an inappropriate state endorsement of religion.

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No it's not idiot. It doesn't promote any one religion and this may come as a shock to you people, but this country was founded on judeo christian principles and that's the way it's always been. You are free to worship how you want, but that doesn't mean that you should press your beliefs on us. You came here and it's you adapt to us, not we adapt to you. You don't like it then leave. You can't press your religion on us anymore than a mormon can do for a baptist or a catholic can do for a methodist.

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CAIR issued its call after Guilford County judges said they would not allow use of Qurans in their courtrooms. "An oath on the Quran is not a lawful oath under our law," said W. Douglas Albright, Guilford's senior resident Superior Court judge. State law only refers to swearing an oath by putting a hand on the "Holy Scriptures." Those who do not wish to take an oath using the Bible may instead make an "affirmation."

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Exactly and that's the way it should be. If the Muslims don't like it they can go back to whence they came from and they can have Islamic law through out the land. We all know that Islamic countries are so successfully run. Oh wait, that's right, all of them are third world rat holes, yet they think they can come here and change the country into there own version of Crapistan. They have a lot of nerve doing this crap after 9-11. They should be grateful that we still allow them into the country, but no, they want to have their cake and eat it too.

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"By stating that only one book qualifies as 'Holy Scriptures,' the court may be making an inappropriate endorsement of a single set of religious beliefs," said CAIR Legal Director Arsalan Iftikhar. "Eliminating the opportunity to swear an oath on one's own holy text may also have the effect of diminishing the credibility of that person's testimony."

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What religion would that be? The bible covers a wide variety of religions. Buddists don't believe in the bible, should we allow them to meditate instead of swearing in on the bible. Maybe we can allow devil worshippers to sacrafice a goat instead of swearing in on the bible. Where do we draw the line and say no more?

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CAIR, America's largest Muslim civil liberties group, has 31 offices and chapters nationwide and in Canada. Its mission is to enhance understanding of Islam, encourage dialogue, protect civil liberties, empower American Muslims, and build coalitions that promote justice and mutual understanding.

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Yeah they always want us to be tolerant of them, but they don't want to be tolerant of our beliefs. If I want a better understanding of Islam, all I would have to do is go to their part of Crapistan and shout I'm a Christian. Granted I won't last two seconds, but at least I'll have a better understanding of Islam. Oh and their prophet Mohammed was a pedophile. Yeah I'm sure Jesus Christ adhered to the word of God by raping little boys. Yeah I must have read that somewhere in Romans (obvious sarcasm in case you all didn't know). Just read up on Mohammed and that's all you need to know about this false religion.

Roadrunner, I totally agree with you. They came here on their own
free will, they are afraid of their own brothers in the Islamic faith.
If their religion is so great why have they been and still is killing each
other off on a daily basis. I have read the Koran and have one. Who
in the hell would believe anything good could come from those people.
They will see wrong and never speak up, even among themselves.

Many culture want to come to America and then change it to resemble
what they fled from. Figure that one!

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Originally Posted by Diesel

Roadrunner, I totally agree with you. They came here on their own
free will, they are afraid of their own brothers in the Islamic faith.
If their religion is so great why have they been and still is killing each
other off on a daily basis. I have read the Koran and have one. Who
in the hell would believe anything good could come from those people.
They will see wrong and never speak up, even among themselves.

Many culture want to come to America and then change it to resemble
what they fled from. Figure that one!

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Whats more is that they claim Islam is peaceful, meanwhile they run around slaughtering people who refuse to convert in mainly Muslim areas, they force the adoption of the Shira law which is cruel and unusual punishment. And before we know it, half the world will be ruled by Islam ... they took over almost all of Africa in just 40 years.

a slow beheading is as Barbaric as you can get. No they are not peace loving.

Mohammed was a pedophile?? I'm not in the least surprised...since the Muslims think women are lower than dogs. It's forbidden to touch a woman in public...but you see the men walking along hand in hand...and kissing each other on the face...everywhere you look. Sickening, if you ask me.

RR

If Islam is a religion of peace then why are there currently 16 conflicts around the world involving the so called religion of peace? If they are so peaceful and tolerant then why are they conspiring with the ACLU to remove every semblance of Christianity from the public eye? Why are they trying to indoctrinate our children in class rooms with mandatory muslim sensitivity training? Whatever happened to seperation of church and state? I guess that only applies to Christians and Jews. You know if someone in a class room tried to read or teach from the bible, these vermin would be screaming bloody murder, but total silence on muslims pushing their false religion down our throats. :roll:

DMan, I once saw a list on ongoing conflicts in the world and almost every one of them involved Muslims or involve them somehow.

Ex. US vs Iraq, Afgahnistan /War on Terrorism, Muslim rebels in Nigeria, etc

8) Get out of my country NOW. NOW!!!!!!

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Get the out of my country NOW. NOW!!!!!!

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I second that motion.

RR

This is ludicrous. The holy bible has alway been used in in courts from the very beginning. Allah is not the same God we pray to, and therefore, is not regarded as the supreme God. These people are being ridiculous thinking that swearing on the koran is going to be okay and acceptable in our courts of law. It's not goiong to happen.
Islam IS NOT a PEACEFUL RELIGION! Our God doesn't promote evilness, he only promotes goodness. YOU BUNCH OF ENTIRE FOOLS! IF YOU WANT TO PRAY TO SUCH A DEMON, FIVE OR WHATEVER TIMES A DAY, FINE! BUT STOP PUSHING YOUR EVIL-DOER DEMON ON US.

There is alternate means for court. If you do not want to swear on the bible they will let you confirm very simple.

For me personally, swearing on the Bible to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth would be a false oath, and as such I would not be bound by it. I'm not Christian, so the Bible holds no more relevance to me than the Torah, the Qu'ran or the text that Hindus hold sacred (who's name escapes me at the moment).

Frankly, I have no issue with a Muslim using the Qu'ran as a Christian does the Bible in court. If he or she makes an Oath before their deity, the veracity of such in an issue 'tween them and that deity. Confirming via a simple Oath that my words are truth WOULD be a binding oath in my eyes, for me.

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You are free to worship how you want, but that doesn't mean that you should press your beliefs on us. You came here and it's you adapt to us, not we adapt to you. You don't like it then leave. You can't press your religion on us anymore than a mormon can do for a baptist or a catholic can do for a methodist.

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Nor should YOU press your beliefs on others. dman1200, I can trace my Paternal line on this continent to the 1720s, and the Maternal line to the late 1600s. What presumption you have to suggest that *I* leave the land of my Ancestors. I wonder, how deep are YOUR roots?

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Originally Posted by dman1200

Yeah they always want us to be tolerant of them, but they don't want to be tolerant of our beliefs. If I want a better understanding of Islam, all I would have to do is go to their part of Crapistan and shout I'm a Christian. Granted I won't last two seconds, but at least I'll have a better understanding of Islam. Oh and their prophet Mohammed was a pedophile. Yeah I'm sure Jesus Christ adhered to the word of God by raping little boys. Yeah I must have read that somewhere in Romans (obvious sarcasm in case you all didn't know). Just read up on Mohammed and that's all you need to know about this false religion.

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Yeah, you're right about that. They are about as peaceful as a pet rattlesnake. I'm better off not knowing anymore about that false religion. If they don't like our system, no one is keeping them here against their will. I'll be more than glad to open the door for them to leave.