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    Some anti-illegal immigration thoughts + Hard Numbers

    I'm a russian immigrant who came here in 1980...Legally. My family paid its dues like most others who came here. We were forced to wait for years to enter the USA- often waiting in limbo as we were told we can go only to find we had to wait even longer.

    I'm very anti-illegal immigration. Its a spit in the face of everyone who came here legally and everyone waiting years in line in distant countries who can't cross the boarder.

    Uncontrolled immigration is also hurting the country and there are both logical and hard evidence for this.

    first, Librals like to have the argument that illegals take only jobs americans don't want...yet they pay taxes and contribute to the economy.

    This is total nonsense- even a brief examination of the statements shows how insane that is. what are these jobs that no one supposedly wants? truth is there is no such thing, pay enough and people will do the job. there are plenty of non-mexican stockboys and maids and waiters. Truth is that mexicans simply lower the salary bar so much that they squeeze out non-mexican labor which hurts unskills americans worst. Its also been shown that they take what have been traditionally Teen jobs, like stockboy or fast food, making it difficult for many teens, especially unskilled, to find a decent paying job. But worse still is that they take many high paying skilled jobs too- or formally high paying I should say. Don't tell me you haven't seen any Illegals as Automechanics and construction workers. Is anyone going to try to say americans don't wan't those jobs? Yet librals keep saying we don't...true enough i guess, after illegals drop the wage by half.

    Now for taxes- I've demonstrated I think that Illegals do take American jobs...but what about their taxes? well just that, because they usually take low paying jobs or willing to take jobs that pay less than they normally would, their tax contributions are low. They consume far more in social services than they pay in taxes. Most concervative estimates have them consumming $ 3,000 more per year in sevices than they pay in taxes. Medical,fire, police, subsidized public tramsport, accommidation and education which cost double for non-english speakers.

    Worse still is that at last estimate, illegals sent home to Mexico over $44 billion dollars last year. That money that they earned here isn't even staying here to help out our economy as librals say- but the majority of their disposable income is goign to Mexico- is it any wonder why Mexico is so against any imposition of immigration control?


    now for some numbers. Mexican Illegals are a drag on the USA in almost every catigory especially economic and crime rates (Mexico is worse so when over 1M mexicans come here per year they drag us down)


    murders committed (crime statistics are usually more representative of crimes reported and prosecuted rather than committed but murders are hard to hide and hard not to report so its a good stat)
    #6 Mexico 0.130213 per 1,000 people
    #24 United States 0.042802 per 1,000 people

    literacy (higher is better)
    #15 United States 504
    #27 Mexico 422

    population below half of median income
    #1 Mexico 22.1
    #3 United States 17

    population below poverty line (weighed based on what is poverty line in the individual nation and mexico is worse even on that basis)
    #112 Mexico 0.376637 per 1 million people
    #127 United States 0.040577 per 1 million people

    as you can see- hard statistics demostrate that mexico is an anchor on American statistics in education levels, economically, and crime rates...

    I'm not saying we shouldn't take any mexican immigrants, a little influx of fresh blood is a good thing. But uncontrolled illegal immigration is a huge drain on resourses, breeds crime and displaces american workers!

    http://www.nationmaster.com/index.php
    (very good statistics website for all topics)

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    Welcome geneo2036!

    It is good to see another LEGAL immigrant stand with us. We have to make sure the nation hears what you and the many other legal immigrants working with ALIPAC have to say.

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    geneo2036,

    Welcome and I agree with what you've said.

    Just to mention that I know that many lower level jobs that teens and college students need are being taken by illegal aliens and I have a teen. She was very lucky recently to get hired for a local and part-time job especially during this summer. This place recruits from the high schools and runs a local sports complex and team. I've heard some of my teenager's friends say that finding part-time jobs is difficult. Especially noted was local McDonalds. I rarely patronize McDonalds local or otherwise, but went inside in the past three months for a soft drink and noticed that at least half of the employees working in food preparation appeared Hispanic and were women. I've read online that McDonalds is a large hirer of illegal aliens.

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    Thank you,

    I'm simply very frustrated with the government's lack of any law enforcement on this issue. And I know why, both parties are being paid off (Republicans financially and Democrats with votes)

    I'm for immigration but it must be done in a legal and fair manner. US immigration is totally out of control.

    Even without adding in all the illegal Mexican immigrants.
    There are 10x the LEGAL Mexican immigration as the next highest country and more Mexicans than all other countries of origin combined. That is because ever since the dropping of the quota system, the immigration laws give preference to family members of citizens. Especially after the last amnesty, Mexicans had the advantage in bringing in more immigrants which grows at almost a geometric rate (family brings in more immigrants who bring in more family who bring in more immigrants). So now even in legal immigration, Mexicans squeezing out other immigrants.

    It wouldn't be such a problem except that these people don't want to assimilate. Unlike my generation of immigrants who were happy to learn English and try to incorporate ourselves into American society. They insist that Society change to suit them...and unfortunately they're winning.

    This is not a good thing because they see themselves as separate from the US and that breeds conflict.

    Already there are Mexican radical groups poking up, trying to gain support of a secessionist movement. They're a joke right now- but its no laughing matter. With states like California 44% Latino, a serious secessionist movement in the near future is not unlikely.

    The Immigration issue could very well lead to the next Civil war and that’s no joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geneo2036
    Even without adding in all the illegal Mexican immigrants.
    There are 10x the LEGAL Mexican immigration as the next highest country and more Mexicans than all other countries of origin combined. That is because ever since the dropping of the quota system, the immigration laws give preference to family members of citizens. Especially after the last amnesty, Mexicans had the advantage in bringing in more immigrants which grows at almost a geometric rate (family brings in more immigrants who bring in more family who bring in more immigrants). So now even in legal immigration, Mexicans squeezing out other immigrants.
    Legal, like you did it, is the way to do it.
    America has room for many more people, we need legal immigrants from all around the world. We are a garden of races and colors. This makes our country beautiful. But when people invade instead of immigrate they shouldn't expect a welcome!
    We were so naiive in the 1980's when we believed our lying politicians (no good deed goes unpunished) but we won't be fooled again. I suspect that those who hit the amnesty "jackpot" last time must also be yelling for Amnesty for their illegal brothers. Whereas Hispanics who emigrated through legal channels likely feel otherwise.

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    Welcome geneo2036! . It's nice to have legal immigrants like you here in this country! You played by the rules and came here legally, and yes, I guess it is like someone spit in your face, by our government letting the illegals get by with breaking our laws. At least you can proudly say that you are a LEGAL immigrant. That's something millons of other immigrants cannot say because they broke the law by sneaking into this country. Welcome to ALIPAC and most of all, Welcome to America, Geneo2036!
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