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    If we told Mexico, look we're tweaking our laws and giving your PEOPLE a second chance to play by the rules, Give us a spot WAY down there!
    Well, I like simple solutions.

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    Well, I have to go. I have an appointment to go fishing with a friend. He just bought a new Troll ing motor.

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    Welcome joseguia. I think we would all agree there are problems in the current immigration laws. One would be the length of time it is taking to process applications. One of the reasons it has become so lengthy is due to government cuts to these programs. leaving them understaffed. Certainly that needs to be addressed as do other programs in the USA that have been severely cut. Like education. We certainy would love to see some reform in these areas.

    However, we do not see allowing though's already here, to remain here and pay fines to become legal an option. First of all most would lie as to how long they have been here, to suit their needs in reducing the costs to become legal. Second it would have the same effect as the 1986 amnesty did, and that is to encourage more ILLEGAL's to come. And does not resolve the problem of job displacement many Americans are facing due to this competetion with ILLEGAL's.

    We have a legal immagration process for a reason. One is to screen applicants, and the other is to control population. Legal immigrants who come must be able to have enough opportunity to assimulate and adjust as well as prosper, without disrupting the Americans whom already reside here from prospering and the American economy. This massive flood we see going on does not allow for a natural adjustment to take place. The fact that they will be entitled to bring family members over, once they are legal, must be wieght into this equation. The mathmaticians who have done the estimated projections on this scenario predict a massive population explotion within a 5 year perid. One in which no country or continient in world history has been able to survive from. To take American population from 300 million to an estimated 450 million in 5 years will destroy this country and its economic's.

    In a nut shell if everyone crawls on the boat all at once we all sink. Then there is nothing left for anyone.

    So guest worker programs are not acceptable. Breaking the laws of our country is not acceptable. Once they cross ILLEGALY the visious cycle continues with yet more laws broken as they attempt to find work threw stolen ID'S and other criminal means to support themselves as well as staying out of reach from ICE. Meanwhile the drain on social programs, health care and legal system is and already has put Americans in grave situations. This is not acceptable.

    I also fear that placing a financial price on "the right to work here" as you put it, would continue to encourage corruption with employers, coyotes and the Mexican government to flourish even more.

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    Selling the right to work here COUPLED with enforcement like never seen before WILL and CAN resolve this.

    Lets admit it we screwed up as a nation and didnt protect our borders, now we realize that, how do we move forward from here?

    I could YELL send all their [mod edit] home, but that would do no good, BECAUSE we have made a mistake as a country, and now neighborhoods have embraced them, families rely on them, and businesses exploit them.

    I'm looking for a common sense solution , and trying to step outside the friggin BOX!

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    Well let me see, I come to your house and invite my self in while you are not watching then try and convince you to let me stay for some amount of money so I can wash your dishes, pick your food and do other jobs you don't want to. I will then send for my wife and kids so we are not separated as that’s not fair. We will only eat your food and ask that you educate my children. I would like my wife to go down and sign up for WIC as I don’t have a very large income. If I should cut my finger on a broken glass or someone in my family should get sick I would expect the hospital to help me for free, I am poor after all. If you don’t want to do this I will march in your street and demand it while waving the flag of my country and tell you you stole my land. So how does that deal sound to you. You going for it joseguia.
    The first requisite of a good citizen in this republic of ours is that he shall be able and willing to pull his own weight.
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    Ya know, I got a big house, I'm cool with that.

    Just make chile rellenos on Friday, and have your uncle fix my car for free or I'll call the cops on him.



    Not quote the same but I'll play!

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    De-leeching ourselves from these illegal invaders isn't going to be that difficult. First, we just need to de-leech ourselves of the politicians who are actively preventing us from doing so. No massive deportation plan will even be necessary if we just:

    1.) Cut off all social services and schooling to illegals.
    2.) Get rid of the Anchor Baby law.
    3.) Heavily fine all employers of illegals.

    This would eliminate the reasons for the illegals to even come to our country in the first place. And the rest of the stragglers would be picked off and deported, one-by-one, during the course of routine traffic stops and the like.

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    "The right to work here" is also profoundly bad wordage. No Illegal will ever have the "right" to work here. It is a priveledge.

    I understand your frustration. We are as well. We just seem to be leaning of different sides of the issue. I personaly believe that they should all go home and get into the back of the line. I personaly believe that this is a total slap in the face and a threat to Americans and Legal immigrants.

    After the extreme research I have done, i do not believe that the majority have good intentions to america. The demonstrations are being funded and lead by comminist and socialist parties. They tell you to your face they are here to take states for themselves. So even if we want to ignore the population warnings, and economic warnings and all be content to live in a 3rd world country after this, that isn't the end of it.

    I sincerely believe you want to find a way. And that you really want to know more. I invite you to stay and read the massive amount of information we have compiled on this forum. Continue to educate yourself further on both sides of the issue, in a peaceful manner. Removing the emotion from the issue things become alot more clear.

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    On a serious side I would love more then anything else for everyone in the world to have what we Americans take for granite. But it has to be done in their own countries. You cannot expect a country to just hand you these things. If you give something to someone they do not appreciate as much as if they had to fight and work for it. Quite frankly I do not see the people in the marches wanting to become Americans I see them wanting to be Mexicans in America and that does not work. America is a melting pot that has to all work hand in hand for it to prosper. When she is divided she falters. To earn citizenship and to make it difficult makes it mean something, to sneak in and take it cheapens it and makes it worth less and with out pride. I truly wish you would read and try to understand the views here. No one is against immigration but sneaking across a border does not constitute immigration.
    The first requisite of a good citizen in this republic of ours is that he shall be able and willing to pull his own weight.
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    I think that

    I think that our gooberment has enticed and allowed the illegals while not having a timely process to immigrate legally. The main thing is that we only want those of any nation that want to become Americans, not those wanting to take advantage of the economic advantages our fore fathers have built. I would agree to a process by which those illegals can stay, but they must meet stringent standards and be processed one by one behind those who are on the list trying to enter legally. I also would like to see the law giving automatic citizenship to those born here changed. Changing the tax system to a national sales tax would help circumvent the cash wages problem and requiring SS to be dedected from cash wages would also help. A heavy fine for employing an illegal should also be imposed.

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